Macbook pro 15 2015 is rubbish?

Jason32

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Hey guys,

I've been using imacs since 2010 and have always been happy and I already have one imac late 2015 fully maxed out 5k. It gets hot and fans kick in when i watch or edit any 4k videos. But the screen kind of makes up for its short comings.

I just bought like new macbook pro 2015 15" base model with i7 and iris graphics...but I am seriously not happy. The screen looks pale as compared to my surface pro 4 and the ipad pro 12.9 they all have similar kind of ppi ... first the screen is pale, the sound is just ok and it feels slow and fans start going with full noise as soon as I start to play a 4k video. I highly doubt this will be good for any kind of 4k editing.

Any idea how to make this fan noise go down?

This is rubbish really, its a £1899 machine Apple?? seriously?

I really like Surface products now, they look good and dont have any crapware so they run fast.
 

Maxx Power

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Windows always used a different gamma for rendering (as far as I know) and recently, I remember that a lot of the interface graphics of Windows are purposely designed to be very saturated in color.

See gamma comparison here:
http://creativebits.org/mac_os_x/windows_vs_mac_monitor_gamma

On the same monitor, with the same color calibrations, changing the gamma to Mac OS's default makes things appear paler and washed out. You can change the gamma of the monitor or the laptop display as you wish with system settings.
 

FilipeTeixeira

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I also don't understand the point of this thread. My mac is silent as well, mainly when compared with other computers. It can get hot, but it's absurdly fast when compared with windows computers of the same price range.
I run often code on large datasets and my mac is light years ahead of my colleagues windows computers.
But ok, what's your question and what do you want to achieve?
If it's all about the noise, I challenge you to do the same on a windows computer, as you'll have the same or even worse.
 

Jason32

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Windows always used a different gamma for rendering (as far as I know) and recently, I remember that a lot of the interface graphics of Windows are purposely designed to be very saturated in color.

See gamma comparison here:
http://creativebits.org/mac_os_x/windows_vs_mac_monitor_gamma

On the same monitor, with the same color calibrations, changing the gamma to Mac OS's default makes things appear paler and washed out. You can change the gamma of the monitor or the laptop display as you wish with system settings.
Can I calibrate the display on my machine? make it slightly more saturated?
 

Maxx Power

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For the record, I have a late 2013 model MBP with both its fans changed to 2015 models (longer lasting bearings ?). I found that under load, the fans get loud, but then so do my PCs - my desktop is quite loud in comparison under load and two other PC laptops I regularly use (circa 2014-Haswell and 2016-Broadwell, both with Nvidia graphics) get much louder than my 2013 MBP under load. I'm not sure what laptops are comparatively quieter than a modern MBP under full load. I think the closest thing would be Dell XPSs, and those are plenty loud under load (2015 MBP measured at 45.6 dB(A) max under windows and 2016 XPS measured at 52 dB(A), at notebookcheck.net).
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Can I calibrate the display on my machine? make it slightly more saturated?
Of course, I use mine with default settings. For starters, you have a few profiles already built-in. If you want something a touch more saturated and less pale, try the "Apple RGB" profile in your System Preferences -> Displays -> Color (tab). If that doesn't suit your taste, you can go full-custom by clicking on the calibrate button on that tab.
 

Jason32

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I also don't understand the point of this thread. My mac is silent as well, mainly when compared with other computers. It can get hot, but it's absurdly fast when compared with windows computers of the same price range.
I run often code on large datasets and my mac is light years ahead of my colleagues windows computers.
But ok, what's your question and what do you want to achieve?
If it's all about the noise, I challenge you to do the same on a windows computer, as you'll have the same or even worse.
The point is after spending £1899 you expect the machine to be from 2017 as its still a current model on apple website. I normally love mac os and the design and hardware but this time I am seriously disappointed. Its good for browsing the web, do some basic stuff but as soon as you start playing a 4k video it gets hot and fan noise goes annoyingly high. For an i7 machine I expected it to be a bit faster than it is. Loading even microsoft word takes time, this machine has SSD and should be much faster.

I think if we get the higher spec machines...spend about £2500 then it gets better and more useable. This base model is not worth the money.
 

lambertjohn

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Fast quiet? seriously? lol
You can laugh all you want, but I'm typing on it right now and all I hear is the pitter patter of the keyboard. What other sounds am I supposed to be hearing? In the six months I've owned this thing, the fan has never come on once. And the programs I use (Photoshop and Word) load almost instantly. My MacBook Pro is quiet and fast. Yours...I guess not. Maybe it all depends on what you have running on your machine??
 
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You can laugh all you want, but I'm typing on it right now and all I hear is the pitter patter of the keyboard. What other sounds am I supposed to be hearing? In the six months I've owned this thing, the fan has never come on once.
You sir either have a magical computer or you are not doing much on it.... i7 (windows, mac or linux) will always heat up and ramp the fan up when pushed. It's the nature of the beast when you slap an i7 in a smaller machine..
 
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aristobrat

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I'm getting the feeling from your 2015 post below that you, Apple, and 4K videos just aren't meant to be... lol

£2300 5k i7 m395x getting hot just by playing 4k video
Hi guys,

I was just playing a 4k video and the fans become so loud so I though I should do a video and see if others are facing the same issue.

This is unacceptable Apple, £2300 getting so hot that fans go crazy and videos become unwatchable.

Check this video:
 
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Jason32

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You can laugh all you want, but I'm typing on it right now and all I hear is the pitter patter of the keyboard. What other sounds am I supposed to be hearing? In the six months I've owned this thing, the fan has never come on once. And the programs I use (Photoshop and Word) load almost instantly. My MacBook Pro is quiet and fast. Yours...I guess not. Maybe it all depends on what you have running on your machine??
Well play these 2 video one after the other:


Both are hardly 5 mins long, use 4k 2160k res full screen in chrome. See if the fans become very noisy after 2-3 mins.
 

Maxx Power

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You sir either have a magical computer or you are not doing much on it.... i7 (windows, mac or linux) will always heat up and ramp the fan up when pushed. It's the nature of the beast when you slap an i7 in a smaller machine..
Well, the mobile i7s range from 15 watts to 55 watts stock TDP, all programmable up or down. That overlaps with much of the i5/i3/pentium lines. In reality it is how much heat the CPU produces + how much noise the system generates when it removes that heat. The thermal source alone doesn't tell you much about the acoustics.
 
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cflem

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I don't know what to tell you - I have a 2012 15.4" RMBP 8gb RAM and 768GB SSD... i7 2.3GHZ

Watching both videos at full 4K does nothing to my machine... it barely heats up and no fans.

I'm using Safari - not Chrome... that could be your culprit - update Chrome... or try with Safari.
 

Jason32

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I don't know what to tell you - I have a 2012 15.4" RMBP 8gb RAM and 768GB SSD... i7 2.3GHZ

Watching both videos at full 4K does nothing to my machine... it barely heats up and no fans.

I'm using Safari - not Chrome... that could be your culprit - update Chrome... or try with Safari.
Safari doesnt let u go above 1440 mate thats a trick apple is using to make people believe their machines r great lol...please check in chrome and select 2160.
 
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aristobrat

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Safari doesnt let u go above 1440 mate thats a trick apple is using to make people believe their machines r great lol...please check in chrome and select 2160.
My Safari gives me a 4K option on YouTube... on an old 2012 MacBook Air, to boot. Video runs with minimal CPU usage and no fans. Same video at 4K in Chrome spins the fans almost immediately.

Safari:

Screen Shot 2017-05-28 at 9.29.07 AM.png


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Ha, looks like the way you posted the links here made them available in 4K in Safari.

Funnily enough, the same videos can be streamed by Safari in native 4K as long as they're embedded in another website, suggesting that the VP9 codec support requirement only applies to videos viewed directly on YouTube's website.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/01/13/safari-unable-to-play-4k-video-youtube/
 
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FilipeTeixeira

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The point is after spending £1899 you expect the machine to be from 2017 as its still a current model on apple website. I normally love mac os and the design and hardware but this time I am seriously disappointed. Its good for browsing the web, do some basic stuff but as soon as you start playing a 4k video it gets hot and fan noise goes annoyingly high. For an i7 machine I expected it to be a bit faster than it is. Loading even microsoft word takes time, this machine has SSD and should be much faster.

I think if we get the higher spec machines...spend about £2500 then it gets better and more useable. This base model is not worth the money.
Ok I get it but is there an alternative which is better? Don't take this in a bad way but it's like asking for a coffee machine to make pizzas as well even if it was an expensive one.
If you can find an alternative for even £2500 that can be silent and fast when doing what you want to do, please let me know. It's all about comparisons and if there's an alternative. I do understand your frustration and for example my Macbook pro from 2009, is extremely hot and I'm not doing something demanding. But it's an old computer, I know that it's indexing stuff right now, and well I didn't clean it for a while so there will be dust. And it's hot as hell outside. But I don't get annoyed, simply because I can't ask for more due to the circumstances.
FYI I do have as well a macbook pro from 2015 which developed scratches from contact with the keyboard. I get annoyed with it as it is an expensive computer. But that's an hardware fault which shouldn't happen at all.
 

cflem

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It's Chrome. I think I know a thing or two about my gear to know what's 4K and what's a trick... ;)

Safari is quickly becoming the best browser for the Mac. Firefox died... Chrome has got to get its act together... This latest version of Safari is awesome.
 
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yep, looks like browser optimization issue with codec or something similar

99 degrees and fans running in chrome
65 degrees and fans hardly spinning in safari
 

Jason32

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Yes thats right, I tried in safari and it works fine no fans. Thanks thats one issue resolved...;)

Which colour profile is best to get little more saturation without crushing black levels? I couldnt find AppleRGB colour profile in my mac as someone suggested?
 

cflem

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Just open the calibration tool... hold option down to open the higher level tools. (I might be wrong, I think it's option) then calibrate to your hearts content.
 

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The point is after spending £1899 you expect the machine to be from 2017 as its still a current model on apple website. I normally love mac os and the design and hardware but this time I am seriously disappointed. Its good for browsing the web, do some basic stuff but as soon as you start playing a 4k video it gets hot and fan noise goes annoyingly high. For an i7 machine I expected it to be a bit faster than it is. Loading even microsoft word takes time, this machine has SSD and should be much faster.

I think if we get the higher spec machines...spend about £2500 then it gets better and more useable. This base model is not worth the money.
Sounds like the base £2500 is calling you. For me it was terrible value for money. I got a maxed out 2015 for £2300 and could not be happier. For the money saved I got a 34" 2017 monitor that solves any display issues :)

Also no machine from apple is from 2017, some are as bad as 2013, that's just the way it is. That's Tim for you.....

As for a MacBook Pro spinning up its fans......I've never owned one that did not. Design form factor over practicality , and I've been working with macs for the last 10 years at work. Be it a MacBook Pro, iMac or Mac Pro, they howl when actually used for content creation.

Sorry if you bought a machine from apple for 4K content...why? I genuinely ask. And I genuinely ask cause you bought a machine with intergrated graphics.....and are complaining about it getting hot pushing such content.....chip that is for you is kaby lake, its integrated graphics are for 4k from my understanding. Yup your 2015 cpu, already outdated in 2015, will struggle....get hot and spin the fans up.

Same will happen if you try gaming on it.... a surface also overheats btw
 
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