It's possible they'll offer better battery life for the 16 GB versions, leaving them with LPDDR3, but what you describe for the 32 seems likely. The most they can add to the battery is just under 24 watt-hours. Using DDR4 to achieve 32 GB could easily eat that up pretty quickly, so that even with the larger battery, battery life might actually be significantly reduced.
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MacBook Pro 2017 - wait for it?
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It's possible they'll offer better battery life for the 16 GB versions, leaving them with LPDDR3, but what you describe for the 32 seems likely. The most they can add to the battery is just under 24 watt-hours. Using DDR4 to achieve 32 GB could easily eat that up pretty quickly, so that even with the larger battery, battery life might actually be significantly reduced.
Was it really better? The machine had a weird design and was not extensible, they never put out a successor and it basically was fast but not as fast as machines half of the price at the time it came out and those machines were extensible. The only thing it had going for itself was the Apple brand and OSX.
The product was doomed from day zero it came out. Not a real workstation machine, more a mac mini appliance with a huge pricetag. Apple never really got it why people bought the mac pros or simply did not want to get it anymore.
The same reasons why they discontinued their server products and the airports. They do not see themselves anymore as computer manufacturer they simply see themselves as consumer products company.
Yes, it was better except for upgradability. The other things you say were true of earlier models too, spec-wise. Not so true of performance.
That's nonsense. Mac Mini indeed.
See above. Servers are a very niche market, not one Apple needs to be in. Wi-fi is provided just as well by third parties. Desktops for the Mac environment are not available elsewhere.
Where are you getting these ideas?
The 2016 MBP has been a huge seller and I'm sure it's not just wives who browse the internet for recipes.
Additionally today they are the highest valued company, by stock value, in the USA.
Maybe they, Apple, really do get it and a few people really don't
Where are you getting these ideas?
The 2016 MBP has been a huge seller and I'm sure it's not just wives who browse the internet for recipes.
Additionally today they are the highest valued company, by stock value, in the USA.
Maybe they, Apple, really do get it and a few people really don't
They said Mac Pro, not MacBook Pro.
The 2013 desktop Mac Pro, by all accounts I have seen, has been a sales failure. Complete misfire for the market that it's aimed at.
Yes I meant the 2013 garbage bin Mac Pro, and I still see that machine as self fulfilling prophecy. Apple wanted to get out of the extensible desktop computer market before that and did not update the MacPro for years. After years of complaints it listened to the many voices wanting an update and misjuged the target audience with a "garbage bin" shaped closed computer entirely. People wanted a "boring" extensible computer in the line of the old Mac Pros. If Apple would have delivered one of those (boring) machines with about 1/3rd less the price of the 2013 MacPro it would have been a success. Not a huge one, but probably one to justify to keep the Mac Pro line afloat for another bunch of years.
I see the same pattern for the Mini.
The Mini never was fully open, but in their last attempts closed the mini so much that no one buys them anymore due to the impossibility of extending anything. The desktop market simply is not the same as the notebook market where a manufacturer can get away with soldering and gluing everything.
We probably will see another half assed totally closed overpriced attempt before the Mini line also dies.
Thank god there are really good Intel NUCs now available for people still in need for a small form factor computer. Have you ever had a look at the Kaby Lake Nucs, they beat the hell out of any Mac Mini there is (well they lack MacOS but thats it). They are what a modern Mac Mini should be.
I see the same pattern for the Mini.
The Mini never was fully open, but in their last attempts closed the mini so much that no one buys them anymore due to the impossibility of extending anything. The desktop market simply is not the same as the notebook market where a manufacturer can get away with soldering and gluing everything.
We probably will see another half assed totally closed overpriced attempt before the Mini line also dies.
Thank god there are really good Intel NUCs now available for people still in need for a small form factor computer. Have you ever had a look at the Kaby Lake Nucs, they beat the hell out of any Mac Mini there is (well they lack MacOS but thats it). They are what a modern Mac Mini should be.
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on paper it looks good i think in reality the performance between the both will be minimal
The one thing that the mini has is the internal power supply. Of all the mini pc's and nuns I've tried, all of them had the external laptop style power supplies, which I hate.
But yes, compared to the 2012 Mac Mini, the 2014 was a step in the wrong direction
Hold it this thread is about waiting for the MBP 2017 and now a newbie poster, and others, want to devolve it into another, "here's why Apple is failing" thread.
Come on folks we've heard this in almost every thread on MR
BTW the only issue with the latest Mini is the lack of ability to upgrade memory and drive capacity. I have a 2012 quad i7 mini and yes it was the best bargain desktop computer Apple sold. For the price difference between it and the Pro desktop the choice was clear.
Interestingly I now use my 2016 13" TBMBP as my main computer, even over the Mini.
Come on folks we've heard this in almost every thread on MR
BTW the only issue with the latest Mini is the lack of ability to upgrade memory and drive capacity. I have a 2012 quad i7 mini and yes it was the best bargain desktop computer Apple sold. For the price difference between it and the Pro desktop the choice was clear.
Interestingly I now use my 2016 13" TBMBP as my main computer, even over the Mini.
I think if one is going to speculate on what updates will come in 2017, then understanding where apple is going is part of that speculation.
And the lack of the latest Mini being able up-gradable is HUGE, and is the reason the 2012 mini can command $600-800 on the used market.
The problem with adding the Mac Pro to the list of complainers is the device was never priced for the normal person. The $4,000 model can easily be matched for at least half the price in a PC with the only real penalty being not having OSX at ones finger tips.
You all might notice that no manufacturer is emphasizing desktop computers in their line up. The market is in the high-end laptops like the MBP and the Surface.
Basically the end gane is where will the money come from to keep keep Apple, Dell, Lenovo, Microsoft, and others in the green. And in a time of CPU maturity where will the "inovation" so many of you demand come from? The software and access to media (both in development and end user).
You all might notice that no manufacturer is emphasizing desktop computers in their line up. The market is in the high-end laptops like the MBP and the Surface.
Basically the end gane is where will the money come from to keep keep Apple, Dell, Lenovo, Microsoft, and others in the green. And in a time of CPU maturity where will the "inovation" so many of you demand come from? The software and access to media (both in development and end user).
I agree. The Surface Pro has worse hardware than the 2016 MacBook Pros. You don't hear people complain about "pro" with that do you?
These were never workstation laptops. I do not recall them ever having Xeons or Quadro video cards.
So a $3,500 laptop is for the average user?
The MacPro is used widely by people doing professional work like video editing, and architecture. Or perhaps it is better to say it "was" used widely. Some people still do, but people are leaving the platform.
And most regular users are using an iPad or other mobile devices. Laptops will stay around for a while, but it is pretty obvious that a convergence is coming soon. Apple sees this and is more powerful A series processors and iPads with more advanced technology.
"Pro" is what it is; solely a marketing term, these days it means little more than the "Pro" is just a level up from the companies other lines. In some respects I wish Apple would drop the "Pro" moniker or drop it off the bezel once again, far preferring my Mac's without "Cheese"
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"Pro" is what it is; solely a marketing term, these days it means little more than the "Pro" is just a level up from the companies other lines. In some respects I wish Apple would drop the "Pro" moniker or drop it off the bezel once again, preferring my Mac's without "Cheese"
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Oh I agree. I wish everyone would drop the "pro" term. Just because people overreact to having the word "pro" in the name.
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Yet, even today, it is still the best computer for FCPX work. I wish they would cut the price though. My 2010 Mac Pro is starting to be horrible with FCPX
. Takes WAY TOO long. Even my 2013 rMBP beats it!
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No the averge user doesn't buy a $3,500 laptop and that's why they sell a whole bunch of 12" and 13" priced less than $2,000 and if that's too much there $500 Windows Laptops with 45 minute batteries. But the point is desktop towers, especially if one is used as a server, can be had for a whole lot less than Apple's.
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The Pro, as many point out, is a marketing brand and many "pros" use a lesser computer to achieve their needs. The real question you should be asking (Apple and Microsoft already have) is why will someone pay over $2,000 for a portable computer and not pay the same for a desktop?
Today's "pro" uses the cloud, WIFI acess and communication where ever they go, video, quality sound, the ability to drop files to a user near them and it doesn't hurt to have a high end device in front of them or their clients as they demostrate their trade.
Apparently you and others seem to think Apple and Microsoft are sitting under a rock and have totally missed the market. Personally I think they are right on top of what sells and is desired. Remember this isn't a "craft" business, it's mass production in the millions!
Because a desktop computer is a workhorse which does not have to shine, it just has to be there for many years and be expendable and reliable and has to get out of the users way, visually as well. The problem is if you charge double the price for the same performance as others, you have to differentiate yourself. Apple tried that by making a consumer device out of their workstation line and failed by shooting themselves out of the target market while not being able to open new ones, but they wanted to get rid of this business anyway, so no big loss for them.
As for notebooks they are somewhat a mixture between fashion statement and workhorse. Apple basically are there perfectly in the middle between both works (as Microsoft to some degree also is with their surface books, they just are not so much on the pro side with their stuff)
So back to the original topic 2017, what can we expect
, the same with newer chipsets and less bugs. 2018 will be more interesting if they really will bring out their e-ink based keyboard.
