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Fact still stands : when I buy a $2400 laptop I expect the external lcd display to be pin sharp, and more importantly I expect it to work.

Fact still stands: Apple's failure to meet your expectations is your own fault. This has already been addressed by a post. Are you even reading the replies?

NSK123 said:
The Mini DisplayPort works fine, I had the same issue with a blurry screen when I plugged in my 24" samsung display.. All it takes is for YOU to fiddle just a little bit with the settings.

Now it's up to you to go research how to fix it. Did they teach that to you in iPhone development school?

You paid $2400 for a laptop. No one put a gun to your head. It was YOUR decision, so suck it up and live with it, or return it. I know being an adult is tough sometimes, but you can do it!
 
Fact still stands : when I buy a $2400 laptop I expect the external lcd display to be pin sharp, and more importantly I expect it to work.

You're still dealing with a PEBCAK issue here...No offence
 
You're still dealing with a PEBCAK issue here...No offence

Right... the epitomy of fanboy mentality. I buy a laptop that doesnt work as advertised. I am told if I don't like Apple I should go to windows. If the screen doesnt work through the miniport adapter... it is somehow my stupidity.

I do agree with one thing though. Once cannot expect to crticise anything apple on a fanboy forum. flame err fanboy on.
 
Right... the epitomy of fanboy mentality. I buy a laptop that doesnt work as advertised. I am told if I don't like Apple I should go to windows. If the screen doesnt work through the miniport adapter... it is somehow my stupidity.

I do agree with one thing though. Once cannot expect to crticise anything apple on a fanboy forum. flame err fanboy on.

Jesus man...I am far from a fanboy and really on the fence with whether or not I will stay with Apple as a new switcher but you are carrying a huge chip on your shoulder here. Yeah there are fanboys here...but not everyone who disagrees with you is one. Some people have attempted to objectively address your concerns but you seem intent to fight.

I get the anger at having to "settle" for things on such an expensive laptop and it bugs me too but you are kind of being a jerk.
 
Jesus man...I am far from a fanboy and really on the fence with whether or not I will stay with Apple as a new switcher but you are carrying a huge chip on your shoulder here. Yeah there are fanboys here...but not everyone who disagrees with you is one. Some people have attempted to objectively address your concerns but you seem intent to fight.

I get the anger at having to "settle" for things on such an expensive laptop and it bugs me too but you are kind of being a jerk.

Fair enough, not everyon'es fanboys here, I realise that. But when there's an obvious criticism and every criticism is being answered with "go back to windows then" or "give it back then", one cannot help but think there's a whole bunch of people on here that's fanboys (but not everyone :) )

If I bought a Thinkpad instead, and had similar problems, and posted them on a Thinkpad forum, people would go "yeah I've had the same problems and it's really irritating. Let's hope Lenovo sorts it out, but in the meanwhile here's what you can do... etc."

Instead on this forum it's like go to Windows. Or you are stupid for saying something like that. I get it. Apple products are put together very well. The style and finish and most of the UI in the OS is second to none. That's part of the reason why I bought one, a second MAC in fact (first one was IMAC) last year.

But when I pay my hard earned money for a laptop that can't even work with an External monitor (and that after being ripped off a ridiculous amount for an adapter), I really feel like Apple is @#$@ committing daylight robbery.

I get it that money comes easy to some - I worked and saved a long time for this purchase - it was a close call between a Thinkpad and a Macbook Pro for software development - and if the faults are keeping me from being productive it's an honest criticism - simple as that.

I'll say it again - to not have a pin sharp external display (sharper than before by tweaking with settings is not good enough if it is still blurry), or to have no external display at all in Windows (especially after forking out a lot of money for an overpriced cable that doesn't work) is simply dailight robbery.

Some people might buy Macbook Pros and not use it professionally - browse the web, etc. - but when you use a Macbook Pro to earn a living these issues are more than annoying - they keep you from doing your job productively.

That is my issue really - I don't mind paying top dollar for the best laptop on the market, but the Macbook Pro sadly does not earn that title - not until they sort out these very important issues.

I don't want to compare laptops - the Thinkpads and Sony Vaios don't come close in the style and design department, and they can't run OSX (which is important for my line of work) - but they've earned a solid reputation for their durability and practicality, and for doing well in prosumer markets. They are practical and enable the customer to do their jobs rather than disable.

What is being done here is Apple is disabling people from doing their jobs - a blurry or non working external display - lack of expansion options, inability to replace laptop battery etc. is not acceptable on a Pro level laptop.

The Unibody Macbook Pro should be stripped of it's Pro title as it is not deserving, at least not until such time that above mentioned issues are sorted out.
 
- I bought a Mini DisplayPort to VGA adapter at what I thought was a complete ripoff...

well, you will not get dvi or hdmi quality by going vga.

vga really is inferior to the other two. I have a hard time believing you are not getting a sharp image on the external monitor, or atleast as sharp as you can get it with vga. Are you comparing vga to dvi? That would give the result you are implying.

I run my mbp on a external 24" dell monitor that is 4 years old, with the minidisplay adapter and the image is crystal clear.

You got many good advices from this thread. try them out?

cheers,
 
I paid over 2000 too and I got a laptop that has a mildly flickering display that bugs my eyes and a conductive metal body that tingles because it's not insulated right. Both issues Apple denies and won't address, both issues that the majority of people here who respond to posts on the issues mock or deny. I also bought a Time Capsule that was dead right off and have been hosed by Apple getting it replaced for some odd reason. Had these issues not occurred I would say the premium was worth it and I love OSX but since they are occurring I don't and will likely not buy Apple again. I totally understand and think the premium they charge on every single item even adapters is ridiculous but you aren't going to be made happy by provoking the leg humpers.

Return it if you can based on time since purchase...or sell it if you can't live with it. All you are going to get by ranting like this is more angry as the brand loyalists flog you.

I might look into hackintoshing as I do love the OS but I don't know if I want to be bothered with the upkeep. I too wish I got more for my money and think that with some simple changes I would be able to say I did.
 
Any advice on how to get my external LCD to work in Windows 7? . . .

Through bootcamp it runs fine, but then I don't have right-click or sound or aero...

Any ideas on how to get sound and right click to work in Windows 7?

Supmansa, all of these symptoms strongly indicate you failed to install the bootcamp drivers from the Snow Leopard disk. No sound, no Aero, display and trackpad issues are symptomatic of no bootcamp drivers.

After you load Windows 7 via bootcamp partition, you need to insert your Snow Leopard CD and run "Setup.exe" from the disc. It will install drivers that will fix display and sound issues.

Important caveat: the bootcamp drivers are for XP and Vista, but they still work for most things in Windows 7. Official bootcamp Windows 7 support will be released by Apple within a couple months. Should it be here now? Yes, I think the drivers should already have been released, so this is a valid criticism.

In fact it's pretty impressive the bootcamp drivers work at all with Windows 7, even though it's not officially supported.


As for your other points, can't say I agree. The aluminum unibody is a joy to use, superior to the plastic junk some manufacturers issue.

Battery: Macbook Pro battery lasts a long time, longest times I've ever seen in a laptop by far with this kind of power. If you need more battery time, there are myriad external battery options/solutions you can use, most of which are superior to swapping out proprietary batteries, as any seasoned traveller will tell you. A universal LiIon external battery that can run just about any portable electronic device >>> proprietary laptop battery running only one device. So I don't understand this at all.

Keyboard: Macbook Pro backlit keyboard is one of the best laptop keyboards on the market. This is coming from someone who's owned quite a few PC laptops from Dell, HP, Toshiba, Gateway, IBM and Samsung (usually provided by work). Macbook Pro unibody is, in my mind, vastly superior to all.

Not a fanboy, just my considered opinion, based on years of professional experience.
 
I'm not a fanboy.. I can criticize the macbook just as much.. I have a hackintoshed netbook.. And I've had the Alu macbook 13" for 6 month with a contour case, And I've only managed to put a 1 milimeter scratch on it. Everything gets scratch it all depends on how you treat it. people love apple products because of the friggin BUILT QUALITY.. Try comparing some of those plastic Acer Laptops with the macbook... Not really a competition uhh?

I think you should get another laptop with OSX compatible hardware and use some of the hackintosh solutions out there.

or you could just get the Mac Mini? works with an external display..

Build quality. A screw fell out of my brothers MacBook unibody aluminum 2008. $1300 computer and a screw just falls out. Google it, it happened to others. Apple needs to work on the iphone build quality. I piad $499.99 for my black iPhone 3G. The glass is uneven, the buttons are slanted. My old plastic dell doesn't have those issues.
 
Build quality. A screw fell out of my brothers MacBook unibody aluminum 2008. $1300 computer and a screw just falls out. Google it, it happened to others. Apple needs to work on the iphone build quality. I piad $499.99 for my black iPhone 3G. The glass is uneven, the buttons are slanted. My old plastic dell doesn't have those issues.


This isn't an apple issue but a china issue.. The chinese do a dirtcheap job to keep the prices down on your apple hardware and that's why you get mediocre assembly of products. Luckly apple is pretty relaxed about swapping an iPhone or a macbook which you're unhappy with.. Have you ever tried getting a swap from Acer or HP? It can take months.

But then again.. With over 30 MILLION iphones sold there are bound to be a few bad ones.

I'm guessing your old plastic Dell was produced in alot less quantities with less chance of running into bad ones.
 
Build quality. A screw fell out of my brothers MacBook unibody aluminum 2008. $1300 computer and a screw just falls out. Google it, it happened to others. Apple needs to work on the iphone build quality. I piad $499.99 for my black iPhone 3G. The glass is uneven, the buttons are slanted. My old plastic dell doesn't have those issues.

Just because you can google something doesn't mean that it's not anecdotal. You say you have issues with your computer and phone, I say I used to have issues with a work-issued Dell.

I'm not going to say that Apple's quality control is better or worse than anyone else, but I will say the build of the unibody is far better than any other notebook I have used.

For the original post, the boot camp stuff is a relevant complaint, the VGA issue, so-so as it seems odd to be relying on VGA to connect an expensive notebook that you want a superior experience from.

If you don't like the keyboard and having 4 built-in USB ports is a non-negotiable, what can anyone say? You bought the wrong notebook. It's not fanboyism it's an objective truth.
 
For the original post, the boot camp stuff is a relevant complaint, the VGA issue, so-so as it seems odd to be relying on VGA to connect an expensive notebook that you want a superior experience from.

If you don't like the keyboard and having 4 built-in USB ports is a non-negotiable, what can anyone say? You bought the wrong notebook. It's not fanboyism it's an objective truth.

Sorry mate, but the VGA issue is unacceptable. Workarounds can be found for USB ports, and keyboard is not a major issue. External screen that's blurry and not working in Windows at all - no excuse there, unacceptable for a "PRO" laptop.
 
Supmansa, all of these symptoms strongly indicate you failed to install the bootcamp drivers from the Snow Leopard disk. No sound, no Aero, display and trackpad issues are symptomatic of no bootcamp drivers.

After you load Windows 7 via bootcamp partition, you need to insert your Snow Leopard CD and run "Setup.exe" from the disc. It will install drivers that will fix display and sound issues.

Important caveat: the bootcamp drivers are for XP and Vista, but they still work for most things in Windows 7. Official bootcamp Windows 7 support will be released by Apple within a couple months. Should it be here now? Yes, I think the drivers should already have been released, so this is a valid criticism.

In fact it's pretty impressive the bootcamp drivers work at all with Windows 7, even though it's not officially supported.

Thanks for the advice, will give it a go.
 
You may have faulty inverter. It happens. You should take it to Apple straight away and have it fixed pronto.

Display should not be flickering. Ever.

I appreciate the advice...but its not the inverter. This is a subtle flickering that the best explanations I have seen for are related to the voltage adjustments on LED backlit screens and how they refresh. Either that or a widescale graphics card issue. Either way it's not something anyone has had fixed so far as I can tell with display or inverter replacements. I am not risking service damaging it more (especially where I am) for something I would be 90% sure they will send it back to me without it being resolved.
 
no excuse there, unacceptable for a "PRO" laptop.

I hear you but the "Pro" is just a label.

For those protesting against any Apple quality criticisms do you think the Chinese QC is somehow magically better in the Apple factory? Apple has no physical justification for the prices they charge. The innards are not of premium quality and the shell while pretty is still just a cheap piece of aluminum. The OS I would agree is worth more than Windows as it does work so well but that hardly justifies a nearly double price point. The main beef I hear from people who are unhappy about he cost is simply that Apple puts premium prices on standard quality items...that is not unreasonable to be upset about. This is not like a BMW vs a Yugo where there is a true massive difference in the quality of the guts.
 
Pro might be a label, but the price is not.

Agreed 100 (or maybe 200%?) ;) See my last post.

If I had paid 1200 instead I would be much less insulted by the mediocre quality as it would be in line with the standard then. Sure in a perfect world I would love a trouble free durable machine for a good price. But as it stands I do not think I will pay double again for what you get.
 
Whenever a newbie uses the word FanBoy, that person is a Troll in my mind until proven otherwise.

A person who wants information asks, "How do I adjust..." or "I wish that this had..." or " I need more USB ports, what do you use?"

The OP doesn't want help, he just wants to complain.

Do not feed the trolls.
 
Whenever a newbie uses the word FanBoy, that person is a Troll in my mind until proven otherwise.

A person who wants information asks, "How do I adjust..." or "I wish that this had..." or " I need more USB ports, what do you use?"

The OP doesn't want help, he just wants to complain.

Do not feed the trolls.

And what are you doing here? Trolling against someone you think is a troll?

He is aggravated he paid so much and didn't get double his money's worth. Not everyone who isn't worshipping at the fruit is a troll. He has some legit complaints.
 
Right... the epitomy of fanboy mentality. I buy a laptop that doesnt work as advertised. I am told if I don't like Apple I should go to windows. If the screen doesnt work through the miniport adapter... it is somehow my stupidity.

I do agree with one thing though. Once cannot expect to crticise anything apple on a fanboy forum. flame err fanboy on.

As advertised? Windows 7 was not advertised as working, try again.
 
This isn't an apple issue but a china issue.. The chinese do a dirtcheap job to keep the prices down on your apple hardware and that's why you get mediocre assembly of products. Luckly apple is pretty relaxed about swapping an iPhone or a macbook which you're unhappy with.. Have you ever tried getting a swap from Acer or HP? It can take months.

But then again.. With over 30 MILLION iphones sold there are bound to be a few bad ones.

I'm guessing your old plastic Dell was produced in alot less quantities with less chance of running into bad ones.

Yes, but Apple says they have great QC. They just ask the manufactures to do a good job. Yes i like the unibody, but When you spend that much on a computer, It better build correctly. There is no excuse for charging $1300 on a MacBook with components costing less than some PCs. I saw an HP for $804, it had a 2.8GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo, and 4 GB ram, 320 GB HD, and an ATI something. It was a 15 incher. I used it, the keyboard had no flex it it. i could care less if its plastic or Aluminum. Apple makes a larger profit on their notebooks that other manufactures, regardless of the components. yes Dell doesn't have great CS, I only had to talk to them once. i've had 4 dells, and one i messed up installing an older driver for something.
Mac OSX is the reason Apple can sell their HW at the price they do.
If apple charges $500 more for a laptop than HP, both with similar specs, then Apple should use that extra cash for QC, and other important things. they could spend less on fancy packaging and spend more on making sure screws don't fall out on a $1300 computer.
 
Do you know someone else who has a MiniDisplayPort to VGA adapter, I have the same MBP pro and mine works with the adapter at the same clarity that the monitor has when plugged into another machine directly, in both OSX and Windows 7. Your adapter may be faulty.

That being said, more USB ports would be great
 
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