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MacBook Pro For Gaming
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I'm not disagreeing with you that the MBP is built for a different purpose. His test may not have been fair, but doesn't it still demonstrate the difference between the MBP and a gaming laptop in regards to gaming? The OP may wish to play games at those settings that a lighter laptop cannot support..?
Additionally, I noticed that the price difference between a moderately-specced 13-inch MBP and a heavily specced 15 are, in many cases, about as much money as it would cost to purchase one of those (annoyingly large) gaming laptops. For example, the OP could purchase a MSI Dominator with a Sky Lake i7 quad, 8GB Nvidia 1070, and 32GB of DDR4 desktop RAM and a base 13-inch tbMBP for about the same Price as a MBP15 with the upgraded CPU, GPU, and 1TB SSD.
Or an upgraded MBP and a slightly lower gaming laptop with a 1060
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I highly recommend a Mac over a Razer...just not for gaming. With that said, I think one pays a premium for Razer like they do with Apple, but I see Apple's premium as more justifiable. Asus, Dell, Acer, and others make some very affordable gaming laptops with impressive GPUs. They will likely not last as long as a MBP or have nearly the quality of fit/finish, they will be huge & lack refinement, and they will not hold a resale value like the MBP or come with the MBPs level of customer support. But for some gaming, they are arguably better choices, in my personal opinion.
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that is the perfect thing I have read today...apples premium is justified unlike the copy cat amateur razor.... they think by making it expensive it will appear premium and it is no way near
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I'm sure many Razer fans feel the opposite way about Apple. Hence it's just my personal opinion. But stats on computer reliability & longevity do show favorable numbers for Apple.
I'm sure many Razer fans feel the opposite way about Apple. Hence it's just my personal opinion.
apart from a faster gnu...cpu (negligent) and ddr4 ram... I think apple does beat it.....but that is an opinion like you said
I don't think that anyone here would try to argue that a MBP makes a more capable machine than a dedicated gaming laptop...
If you read this thread carefully, it should be fairly clear that the OP doesn't care about those games at all.
That all very well may be, but for someone who wants to casually play some games, a dual-computer setup is hardy convenient. Take me for example. I do enjoy playing some games here and then, but I certainly wouldn't buy a dedicated gaming machine. The nice thing about the 15" MBP is that it can play all the games I want (and yes, this includes the most recent AAA titles — I am perfectly fine with using 1680x1050/med settings) and I don't have to carry two laptops around. This is particularly convenient on business trips. In fact, I though about getting a console for gaming, but that means that I would also need to buy a TV (no, I don't own one), so that is not going to happen. And I certainly don't want to dedicate any space in my apartment for a gaming station, that would be ridiculous.
Anyway, I feel like we are talking past each other here. I completely agree with what you are saying, but I think that we are simply discussing very different scenarios here.
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Its not about how someone feels, we can just look at engineering facts. Razer uses a chassis of more or less the same physical dimensions as the 15" MBP, yet equips it with a GPU that draws more power than the major components in the MBP altogether. Which means that they are either using some sort of magical cooling solution or (more likely) they are really pushing the thermal limits of the chassis. One laptop is built for stability while another goes to very unhealthy lengths to try and squeeze every bit of performance. Given enough will, one can put a rocket engine on a family car (it has been done), but there are usually good reasons why one doesn't do it.
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In 2017 it's a very poor choice for gaming, given how you can get much better performance for less . The 2017 razer with 1080 kicks its butt for gaming. For anything else it's a very good machine .
My advice is , don't buy thin apple laptops for gaming. I've killed 2 in the past doing heavy gaming
My advice , don't go a 2.9 460, get the base model and get an egpu setup, a core with say a 1070 or 1080, far superior .
My advice is , don't buy thin apple laptops for gaming. I've killed 2 in the past doing heavy gaming
My advice , don't go a 2.9 460, get the base model and get an egpu setup, a core with say a 1070 or 1080, far superior .
so many opinion, made me more confused. i agree with most of what everyone is saying i know an macbook is just not for gaming just like surface is not made for gaming, in the end i will most likly just get another razer to be honest.
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i dont really game that big to be honest i think the biggest game i play now is wow.
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i am sure alienwear is good but i just would much rather have razer.
For what it's worth , I tried wow on a 2.7 460 and was not impressed . That being said I'm used to playing it with all the settings at max
In my opinion anything that produces lots of heat for long time is not good for an electronic device.
In general, i don't really understand the "gaming in laptop" thing.
You can get
a) upgradeability
b) cheaper
c) more performance
in a desktop situation. Also heat isn't really an issue there.
And then you have more money to spend to buy decent MBP. Best of both worlds?
But in the other hand, i really aren't that HC gamer and to me its good enough that i can play at home
You can get
a) upgradeability
b) cheaper
c) more performance
in a desktop situation. Also heat isn't really an issue there.
And then you have more money to spend to buy decent MBP. Best of both worlds?
But in the other hand, i really aren't that HC gamer and to me its good enough that i can play at home
If you are going to game , get AppleCare. I got my iMac replaced after two years of getting hammered due to wow. They replaced everything but the case after the diagnostics scan
What is there not to understand? There are people who want to play games but are not willing to dedicate a significant part of their living space to a gaming station. I wouldn't even know where to put one in my apartment! Not to mention the additional expenses. Why should I pay extra $2000+ to play AAA games at full HD and high settings at 60 fps when my work machine (that I have to buy anyway) can play the same game at 1680x1050 and medium settings at 40-60 fps? I honestly don't see the added value here.
I think there is some confusion as you have bought a gaming laptop (Razor) and maybe your expectations may be higher than some of us
In truth games like WOW will run on most laptops we (my 3 sons and I) have played it since its conception mainly on little MBA's and even on rMB and SP4's, although my youngest has used his 15" MBP 2013 for the last 3 years and my middle son had a spell on a 13 rMBP till opting for a SP4.
Of course we are not running them at full settings however it remains playable and only raids lasting hours would stretch them. None of them are really suitable for the latest AAA titles even the quad core MBP's that run very hot when pushed and require additional cooling pad to cope with more demanding games.
You need to google some youtube's showing settings and gameplay achievable and compare with your Razor settings to see if your viewing/playing enjoyment is overly compromised
For many casual gamers high-end or even dedicated laptops for gaming are just not required or justified
*SO* much this!! especially if you have a dedicated gaming desktop. . do you REALLY need 4k Battlefail 1 while at Starschmucks?
Yea, if it runs properly. Blizzard titles seem to have a habit of causing the blade pro to randomly shut off. Since my escapades with them I've read similar reports of the same issue happening [albeit rarely] with WoW and Overwatch.
[and by issue, I mean randomly shutting down while playing -- not heat related]
you already have a 2015. Since Razer moderately down clocks their GPUs, the only real reason to update is
A) you HAVE to have Chroma or
B) You HAVE to have the Razer Core.
And in addition to having returned 3 Razer Blade Pros, I'm now in the middle of returning a 6 month old Razer core due to PSU failure. This year is NOT the year of Razer. . at least for me [fortunately my Death Adder still works just fine]
In not a big fan of using laptops for gaming. I'd rather have a dedicated console or PC for that. I don't want to overheat and wear out my thin mac laptop with a bunch of frivolous games.
ON the 2016 15" MbP w/ 460 it's REALLY not that hot. Older Macs ran in the 90+c range, but this one only gets around 70c, well within thermal spec for the 6920. Of course (and yea, I have to qualify this every time) I'm only running Blizzard titles and (eventually) Civ VI.
The nice part about having the CAPABILITY of gaming on the Mac is when I need to go out of town on business etc, and end up stuck in a hotel somewhere with nothing to do. I can break out Overwatch or HoTS and relax and not have to worry about carrying either a gigantic gaming laptop or [I'll NEVER do this] drag my desktop through airport security
For the record, this is my desktop CPU case:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod..._GoD4NHeWwJc1llysKnUUaAnr68P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
The nice part about having the CAPABILITY of gaming on the Mac is when I need to go out of town on business etc, and end up stuck in a hotel somewhere with nothing to do. I can break out Overwatch or HoTS and relax and not have to worry about carrying either a gigantic gaming laptop or [I'll NEVER do this] drag my desktop through airport security
For the record, this is my desktop CPU case:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod..._GoD4NHeWwJc1llysKnUUaAnr68P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
I really don't think running it hot messes it up. My sessions in LogicX hit about 90C+ all the time. No issues on the MBP 2010 or 2013. There is an auto-shutdown if it gets really hot. I had that happen with a game a long time ago.
The new one does run a lot cooler, as mentioned above, games and sessions stay at about 70C which has me quite impressed.
The new one does run a lot cooler, as mentioned above, games and sessions stay at about 70C which has me quite impressed.
how do you play ovewatch on your mac? you use bootcamp?ON the 2016 15" MbP w/ 460 it's REALLY not that hot. Older Macs ran in the 90+c range, but this one only gets around 70c, well within thermal spec for the 6920. Of course (and yea, I have to qualify this every time) I'm only running Blizzard titles and (eventually) Civ VI.
The nice part about having the CAPABILITY of gaming on the Mac is when I need to go out of town on business etc, and end up stuck in a hotel somewhere with nothing to do. I can break out Overwatch or HoTS and relax and not have to worry about carrying either a gigantic gaming laptop or [I'll NEVER do this] drag my desktop through airport security
For the record, this is my desktop CPU case:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139032&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Cases+(Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form)-_-N82E16811139032&gclid=Cj0KEQiA56_FBRDYpqGa2p_e1MgBEiQAVEZ6-z6d4-GSxfwmeMgvxn0B4P_GoD4NHeWwJc1llysKnUUaAnr68P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
I play WoW legion a lot on my 15"tb 2.7Ghz, 460 graphics. I use the native macOs version not the Windows/Bootcamp one.
It works great. The trick is to set the resolution to 2048x1280 (in the WoW graphics settings), and have pretty much everything else turned to 'max'. Everything's smooth and it looks great.
An most impressively, in contrast to my old MBP, it stays reasonably cool and the fans don't need to ramp up much - you can only just hear them if you listen closely.