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MacBook Pro Grainy Display
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I was in an Apple store earlier, the MBP screen was really poor compared to some of the others. I doubt I'd notice in normal use, but when whites were up, they looked a little 'grey'.
I really hope this is fixed in the next update, there is no excuse for them not to when they relase the SR MBP.
I really hope this is fixed in the next update, there is no excuse for them not to when they relase the SR MBP.
If anybody of you is in an Apple Store sometimes soon, tell us about the new Santa Rosa and their displays!
Hopefully they're better, otherwise I'll not switch from my MacBook to a Pro.
yes! I want to know too. Apple Soho store does not have them on display yet....
So since Apple recognizes there's an issue with the displays, and the new MBPs have improved displays, are they offering any recourse for those with bad displays?
Has anyone tried calling Apple yet to see if they're willing to do some kind of replacement/upgrade to those of us with grainy displays?
Has anyone tried calling Apple yet to see if they're willing to do some kind of replacement/upgrade to those of us with grainy displays?
Of course not. The only "issue" here is that the quality of the picture isn't as good as some people would like. There's nothing wrong with the display.
Trouble is if they are significantly more grainy than the last generation PBs and definitely worse than even some dells, it is not like "some people" have unreasonable expectations.
I highly disagree.
A grainy display is poor manufacturing, not an acceptable standard.
Trouble is... even if Apple assembled the exact same parts in Japan, would it have made a difference?
Is the fault with the manufacturing or something else?
Not sure exactly what you mean...mine was assembled in Hong Kong.
Regardless of where the fault lies, the Manufacturer assumes responsibility. There should be no denying that this is a legitimate problem and should be covered under warranty.
Disagree all you want, but you'll never be able to prove that there's anything wrong with it. All we can really do is complain and demand Apple use higher-quality displays.
They changed my screen
I have the first batch of MBP C2D, the one with a dirty grainy display. I recently found 2 big smudges in the middle of the screen. They are visible when a window is on the left or on the right. I went to the nearest resseller. They didn't evn lok at it when I said I wasn't able to make the smudge disappear.
They changed the screen today. No more grainy display. A dead pixel in a corner but a wonderful smooth grain. And a brightest and more uniform screen.
I have the first batch of MBP C2D, the one with a dirty grainy display. I recently found 2 big smudges in the middle of the screen. They are visible when a window is on the left or on the right. I went to the nearest resseller. They didn't evn lok at it when I said I wasn't able to make the smudge disappear.
They changed the screen today. No more grainy display. A dead pixel in a corner but a wonderful smooth grain. And a brightest and more uniform screen.
further investigations led to lawsuit
Hey guys and girls,
I dont know if this was posted before, but the very last comments have been from June this year, so I assume not everybody already knows:
The grain comes from built-in 6-bit displays among MB's and MBP's.
It happens to matte or glossy displays, its not about the graphics adapter ... and no... there wont be a software update to fix it!
Apple has different ressources where they buy their displays from.
Some manufacturers are shipping only 6-bit models, capable of showing only 262k colors. They start 'dithering' (dot-mixing) these colours to gain the nowadays expected 'millions of colors'.
Those who are lucky, gonna find an 8-Bit-Display in their MBP. There, no dithering is needed, as these show up with millions of colors natively.
A lot of PC Hardware (Dell Displays, Notebooks) have the same differing display-technology, this is why some PC-Users here have same symptomes like apple-users, while others wont.
Because of this issue people started a lawsuit against Apple.
goolge for news, its widely spread already.
And ... for further explanation where this 'grain' is coming from please visit these ressources:
What this fuzz is about and how to find out if you are 'infected':
http://www.colorblindmac.com/
6-Bit vs. 8-Bit LCD Technology:
http://compreviews.about.com/od/multimedia/a/LCDColor.htm
ONE THING!
Please contribute on http://www.colorblindmac.com what kind of display you have and post the result into the forums there.
Especially Santa-Rosa-Notebooks havnt been testet that much ... they need your data to help others!
thanks and cheers.
dennis
Hey guys and girls,
I dont know if this was posted before, but the very last comments have been from June this year, so I assume not everybody already knows:
The grain comes from built-in 6-bit displays among MB's and MBP's.
It happens to matte or glossy displays, its not about the graphics adapter ... and no... there wont be a software update to fix it!
Apple has different ressources where they buy their displays from.
Some manufacturers are shipping only 6-bit models, capable of showing only 262k colors. They start 'dithering' (dot-mixing) these colours to gain the nowadays expected 'millions of colors'.
Those who are lucky, gonna find an 8-Bit-Display in their MBP. There, no dithering is needed, as these show up with millions of colors natively.
A lot of PC Hardware (Dell Displays, Notebooks) have the same differing display-technology, this is why some PC-Users here have same symptomes like apple-users, while others wont.
Because of this issue people started a lawsuit against Apple.
goolge for news, its widely spread already.
And ... for further explanation where this 'grain' is coming from please visit these ressources:
What this fuzz is about and how to find out if you are 'infected':
http://www.colorblindmac.com/
6-Bit vs. 8-Bit LCD Technology:
http://compreviews.about.com/od/multimedia/a/LCDColor.htm
ONE THING!
Please contribute on http://www.colorblindmac.com what kind of display you have and post the result into the forums there.
Especially Santa-Rosa-Notebooks havnt been testet that much ... they need your data to help others!
thanks and cheers.
dennis
How to find out about your Display?
Hi,
on http://www.colorblindmac.com/ you find links and instructions to find out about the original manufacturer of your MBP's display ...
Please go there and contribute.
thnx a lot!
cheers
dennis
Hi,
on http://www.colorblindmac.com/ you find links and instructions to find out about the original manufacturer of your MBP's display ...
Please go there and contribute.
thnx a lot!
cheers
dennis
I'm sorry, but you're really off here. It was in the forum all the first discussion about the displays started and it was here that it was discovered that they were 6 bit displays!
There are no 8 bit displays for laptops currently in production and since all laptops displays are 6 bit, and very few have the grain, the grain has NOTHING to do with the color depth of the display. Rather, it seems to be a poorly applied coating on the screeen. This can be seen if you move a window and carefully look at the surface: it stays still while the window moves - the grain stays still.
The SR MBPs don't have grain because they are new displays from other manufacturers than before.
I was at the Apple Store a couple weeks ago and just for kicks... I decided to take a peak at the MacBook Pro 15" Matte they had on display. The screen looked perfectly smooth and not one single speckle on it. It was very very clear. If my MacBook Pro 15" had looked like that to begin with, I wouldn't have returned it. It looks amazingly good.... even better than my 20 Apple Cinema Display.
Because they are different quality screens made by different manufacturers! The latest ones don't have it either, and they're confirmed to be 6 bit display too. My old powerbook G3 pismo is 1 6 bit LG screen with no grain either, nor did any of my powerbook G4 aluminum have grain either. Apple just bought a bunch or very poor displays, that's all.
Sorry to bump such an old thread, but this is the best source of information I can find about this particular issue anywhere.
So, on my 15" 1st gen MBP, I have been experiencing exactly the same issues as described here, of a similar quality to the left half of this image: http://www.appledefects.com/images/noisescreen.png
... EXCEPT it only occurs in Windows! I've shown the problem to the folks at the Genius bar, and they agreed that it is very noticeable, but since it only happened in Windows, it was easy for them to say that it was a software issue.
Now, I have tried every possible combination of OS and drivers (XP, Vista, 7, each of which I have tried with Omega, ATI Catalyst, and official Boot Camp drivers), and the problem doe not go away. Is there something I am completely overlooking?
Perhaps, since the last post in this thread is from 2007, Apple has since released a fix to the problem? I do remember the display being much grainer when I first bought the computer. When I brought the computer to the Apple store for this issue a few weeks ago, they ended up not admitting that it was a hardware fault, but did replace the display because there were some dead pixels too. After they botched that repair, I brought it back to them once more. Interestingly enough, at the store, the display decided to completely bug out, and all the colors became grainy and inverted, even pre-boot, a problem that had never occurred before. So, they agreed to replace the display (again) and replace the logic board. My computer is now back in my possession, and with completely new hardware, it still looks fine on the OS X side, and very grainy in Windows.
Since a BIOS upgrade, which fixes the problem in PC laptops with the same graphics card, is impossible, and the grain in Windows is reproducible with a completely standard Boot Camp configuration, how should I proceed? Has anyone else had similar problems?
So, on my 15" 1st gen MBP, I have been experiencing exactly the same issues as described here, of a similar quality to the left half of this image: http://www.appledefects.com/images/noisescreen.png
... EXCEPT it only occurs in Windows! I've shown the problem to the folks at the Genius bar, and they agreed that it is very noticeable, but since it only happened in Windows, it was easy for them to say that it was a software issue.
Now, I have tried every possible combination of OS and drivers (XP, Vista, 7, each of which I have tried with Omega, ATI Catalyst, and official Boot Camp drivers), and the problem doe not go away. Is there something I am completely overlooking?
Perhaps, since the last post in this thread is from 2007, Apple has since released a fix to the problem? I do remember the display being much grainer when I first bought the computer. When I brought the computer to the Apple store for this issue a few weeks ago, they ended up not admitting that it was a hardware fault, but did replace the display because there were some dead pixels too. After they botched that repair, I brought it back to them once more. Interestingly enough, at the store, the display decided to completely bug out, and all the colors became grainy and inverted, even pre-boot, a problem that had never occurred before. So, they agreed to replace the display (again) and replace the logic board. My computer is now back in my possession, and with completely new hardware, it still looks fine on the OS X side, and very grainy in Windows.
Since a BIOS upgrade, which fixes the problem in PC laptops with the same graphics card, is impossible, and the grain in Windows is reproducible with a completely standard Boot Camp configuration, how should I proceed? Has anyone else had similar problems?
this seems to be the exact issue i am having with my new 13 macbook pro! i thought i was going crazy.. but the one i had before this (with exact same screen manufacturer) was totally different
this one has more of a grain to it.. any one else get this with the new unibodies?
this one has more of a grain to it.. any one else get this with the new unibodies?