Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Macbook Pro Issue Update (batteries, heat, whine)...
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
What's a little flickering, whining noise, heat and battery failure among friends?
Whoops! Starting The Day From Old Strings Makes Me Look Out Of It. I didn't go to the cover page today. Duh.
From that read, it doesn't seem like these "Issues" are much to have a cow over - for BETA TESTERS. What's a little flickering, whining noise, heat and battery failure among friends?
Whoops! Starting The Day From Old Strings Makes Me Look Out Of It. I didn't go to the cover page today. Duh.
From that read, it doesn't seem like these "Issues" are much to have a cow over - for BETA TESTERS. What's a little flickering, whining noise, heat and battery failure among friends?
MacsomJRR said:
How does it feel to have a crippled machine?
Because if I got a computer that was not capable of running a graphics card at the intended speed I'd fell like I was duped.
For several years I worked for a company that makes popular electronic gear. The people in the different departments sometimes acted in an adversarial way toward each other, saying things like "I'm too busy with this new project to help you with a problem you've found in an 'about to ship product". There was also a great deal of sheep mentality there (people seeing things done wrong and not speaking up about it, or rationalizing why it was ok). A big part of why defect issues don't get resolved before a product ships is because most people working in any company are only interested in covering their own a**, instead of doing what's best for the company. They have a deadline to meet, and that's their only concern (they consider a product 'finished' even if it has defects). Here's an example of one unit: Once, we had a whole warehouse full of a brand new product, and it had a known defect. The techs were told to stop fixing them and "Just get them out of here". The guy in charge of the warehouse operations had a 'First Ship Date' deadline to meet, and no way was he gonna say to his superiors "They're not ready - we have to wait". They went out, and a ton of them came back for warranty repair. I saw this example happen with several of their products.
Does this hurt their bottom line? Who knows. Maybe the cost of fixing it and delaying the ship date is more than the cost of the warranty repairs (or at least, maybe they THINK it's more). But even if that's true, I think selling an item that is known to have defects shows a lack of integrity and
sadly, this seems to be corporate America these days. It's possible that Apple is not exempt from this way of thinking.
Does this hurt their bottom line? Who knows. Maybe the cost of fixing it and delaying the ship date is more than the cost of the warranty repairs (or at least, maybe they THINK it's more). But even if that's true, I think selling an item that is known to have defects shows a lack of integrity and
sadly, this seems to be corporate America these days. It's possible that Apple is not exempt from this way of thinking.
I bought a G4 Powerbook in January, when the rumor mill was churning and haven't looked back. I hope the MBP problems aren't too widespread, but I love my PB so much that I can't be envious of MBP owners.
Maybe the Merom upgrade will help, isn't it supposed to run cooler than Yonah?
Maybe the Merom upgrade will help, isn't it supposed to run cooler than Yonah?
MOD EDIT: user exlaims his distaste for Apple (using some profanity)... [/QUOTE said:so i cant say the B* word or the dam* word... its allowed on cable but not in forums... ok. i really dont care, just thought it was interesting
boncellis said:
I bought the last rev. of the 12" Powerbook G4 and am a happy camper too. The thing is rock solid only gets toasty hot if I inadvertently block the vent on the left side (which I was doing by accident at first because I'm a lefty).
I really hope Apple fixes the noise and heat issues with Rev. B of the MacBook pro. Perhaps this is why the smaller form factor MacBook is delayed?
As far as Merom, it should indeed use less power at the same speeds the Yonah chip runs at.
I guess we'll have to see what "flavors" Intel makes available for Apple.
I have a W8608... MBP, and I love it . No problems. (Although I'm hoping for a free extra battery in the mail soon).
I converted a DVD VIDEO_TS file to MP4 using handbrake. Just to test, I did the exact conversion on my MBP 15" 1.83 with 1.5GB RAM and my wife's PB G5 1.5 with 1.25GB RAM.
MBP: 19min 5sec
PB: 1hr 03min 12sec
I guess not quite 4x but I'll take it
I converted a DVD VIDEO_TS file to MP4 using handbrake. Just to test, I did the exact conversion on my MBP 15" 1.83 with 1.5GB RAM and my wife's PB G5 1.5 with 1.25GB RAM.
MBP: 19min 5sec
PB: 1hr 03min 12sec
I guess not quite 4x but I'll take it
Stridder44 said:
It wasn't for the link per se, it seems to be for acquiring and publishing in part an Apple internal document.
Which would be a pretty common response by a company for doing something like that.
If the guy in question has written up his own procedure as a clean-room fix, there wouldn't have been a problem.
w8ing4intelmacs said:I have a W8608... MBP, and I love it . No problems. (Although I'm hoping for a free extra battery in the mail soon).
I converted a DVD VIDEO_TS file to MP4 using handbrake. Just to test, I did the exact conversion on my MBP 15" 1.83 with 1.5GB RAM and my wife's PB G5 1.5 with 1.25GB RAM.
MBP: 19min 5sec
PB: 1hr 03min 12sec
I guess not quite 4x but I'll take it
BAH! Standard MP4 is SOOOOO last year's codec. Its all about the H.264 baby. I ripped all my Pixar, Pixar shorts, and Disney movies to H.264 the day I got my MBP. It helped that I had one of
Brad Raple said:
I'm 100% with you.
I always knew it was "risky" to get a Rev A. but still, that should not be the case...
Surreal said:
The funny thing is you can on Windows. I was using ATI Tool Beta over the weekend to tweak the GPU so Civ IV ran a little more smoothly. Once I was done gaming I rebooted and went back into OS X. Slick as heck. For most people the current GPU speed is fast enough for most things and since Windows has the lions share of gaming titles. Sort of works out i the end.
SiliconAddict said:
No that's not the problem. The thermalpaste gets smeared onto the motherboard, and conducts (leaks) the heat towards the shell where it would otherwise have been dissipated fully from the heatpipe/sink to the fan into the air.
So it's not the chip itself that gets less hot when the thermal paste is applied correctly, like has been stated a bit incorrect by MacRumors, but the leakage that is decreased from the processor to the outer shell.
I did.
I called Apple on Monday, May 1, and told them about my problem with overheating (at which point the computer would stop operating) and the battery problem (it wouldn't take over when the computer was unplugged). Ah yes, there was also the whine that got really loud right before it overheated and quit. Anyway, Apple almost immediately offered to completely replace my MBP, even though it was long past the 14 day period. I was shocked. I expected to fight them on the issue until they offered to simply repair it. They didn't even offer to repair it. I asked about a repair and the specialist said that wasn't what he would do.
bordenkecher said:
I called Apple on Monday, May 1, and told them about my problem with overheating (at which point the computer would stop operating) and the battery problem (it wouldn't take over when the computer was unplugged). Ah yes, there was also the whine that got really loud right before it overheated and quit. Anyway, Apple almost immediately offered to completely replace my MBP, even though it was long past the 14 day period. I was shocked. I expected to fight them on the issue until they offered to simply repair it. They didn't even offer to repair it. I asked about a repair and the specialist said that wasn't what he would do.
I agree
Invizzible I liked your inside point-of-view. It's right on the money. However, I'd like to add that Apple if DEFINITELY not different in this aspect...not completely.
I've never seen a publicly traded entity that put what's best for the customer before what's best for the company (profitable). I've seen plenty of small and large privately held companies stand by the customer, though.
However, it's not that those other companies are always so righteous. In many cases they simply don't create pressure to meet certain performance levels. Where there is no pressure, there is no large reason to screw the customer. Sometimes this is simply because product profit margins are better or competition is light.
My point is that if you take an honest company in America and put it in a bad way financially, or make the sales people compete, or just put pressure on everyone to "win, win, win", you'll have a company that's anti-customer and only pro-profit. You'll have Enron.
Invizzible I liked your inside point-of-view. It's right on the money. However, I'd like to add that Apple if DEFINITELY not different in this aspect...not completely.
I've never seen a publicly traded entity that put what's best for the customer before what's best for the company (profitable). I've seen plenty of small and large privately held companies stand by the customer, though.
However, it's not that those other companies are always so righteous. In many cases they simply don't create pressure to meet certain performance levels. Where there is no pressure, there is no large reason to screw the customer. Sometimes this is simply because product profit margins are better or competition is light.
My point is that if you take an honest company in America and put it in a bad way financially, or make the sales people compete, or just put pressure on everyone to "win, win, win", you'll have a company that's anti-customer and only pro-profit. You'll have Enron.
Im one of the ones who is (perhaps now was) considering to get a macbook (ibook) when it comes out. The money is ready and waiting etc..
now Im not so sure...
It will be a REV A. I will be a beta tester. They will try and cram a core duo processor into a smaller form factor than the MBpro and there will be heat issues. It will probably 'whine'. The case will probably burn my fingers...!!
I wish the above paragraph was worlds apart from reality, but it probably wont be, and the last thing I want is to be like one of the MBpro people... writing on this forum about how Apple has ripped them off etc....
I shouldnt say this but Im now looking at a PC laptop too. A Sony ZX1 derivative. Its more expensive, but I guess you gets what you pays for...
now Im not so sure...
It will be a REV A. I will be a beta tester. They will try and cram a core duo processor into a smaller form factor than the MBpro and there will be heat issues. It will probably 'whine'. The case will probably burn my fingers...!!
I wish the above paragraph was worlds apart from reality, but it probably wont be, and the last thing I want is to be like one of the MBpro people... writing on this forum about how Apple has ripped them off etc....
I shouldnt say this but Im now looking at a PC laptop too. A Sony ZX1 derivative. Its more expensive, but I guess you gets what you pays for...
lewchenko said:
If it makes you feel any better, the 17's should be arriving in people's hands any day now (any reports of people receiving them yet?). If none of the probelms are solved, it doesn't bode well. If the heat and noise issues are completely fixed on the 17, there may be hope for the 13 as well.