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Horse hockey. That's because touchscreens on a UI designed for a mouse and keyboard is an ergonomic nightmare and is bitterly inefficient.

It's completely gimmicky. Most people here would run circles around somebody using a touchscreen, just by using the multitouch features on their trackpad. The Apple trackpad on OS X is far more fluid. Far quicker. Far smoother.

Oh and touchscreens aren't gimmicks. iOS benefits quite heavily from touchscreen. It wouldn't benefit as much from a mouse. Sometimes you need to take a step back and make the big decision of what not to put in a product, in order to make it better.

TL;DR: more features does NOT equal more functionality.

You're assuming that the OS wouldn't change. In fact, if MacOS incorporated touchscreen features, which I will remind you WOULD BE OPTIONAL as there would still be mouse/keyboard/trackpad support (and you can use it or not), might, like most things Apple does, be a fluid experience, done correctly, and add functionality and convenience to MacOS that up til now hasn't been thought of. Apple is even touting their iPad Pro as a "computer" that can do everything with a touchscreen.

A touchscreen on Windows 7 is worthless. A touchscreen on Windows 10 works. Does it replace a keyboard and mouse? Of course not. Does it add functionality? It does. Windows 11 will bring more.
 
What about tim cooks pc replacement comment:confused:

“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?”

Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people
. -Tim Cook
The users of the MBP don't fit into the "many, many" people. Why is this so hard to understand? Not. Everyone. Needs. A. MBP. Also, not everyone can use an iPad Pro. But Apple has hundreds of millions of customers, so them making a comment that doesn't apply to me or you doesn't mean it applies to no one.
 
I'd say never buy a first generation Apple product: it costs more, it's incompatible with current tech, it has unnecessary limitations (only 1 USB port on first MacBook Air and current MacBook, no 3G on first iPhone, etc) and it's untested so will probably fail a lot more (first retina MBPs had lots of display issues). The 2nd or 3rd gen will be cheaper, better tested, and by then the tech will have become more widespread and compatible. But for this to happen, the 1st gen has to come out, people have to buy it, etc... Just don't be those people.
As a first gen buyer of both an iPhone and the retina Macbook Pro I would disagree.
First of all, phones back then was useless with 3G anyway. At least with an iPhone you could use the internet in a user-friendly way on the phone when on WiFi.
Secondly, retina MacBook Pro had very minor speed bumps over the next few years and increased significantly in price over time if you wanted a discrete graphics card.

I definitely prefer to buy the first gen after major overhauls, but this generally only applies to Apple products. Never had a major issue, and have always had newer and better technology for a year longer than people who prefer to wait.
 
So yet another delay? If not September then we're looking at a Q4 launch somewhere in the region of 500+ days since the last MacBook Pro update.
 
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Imagine if it is just a processor bump..... I can see people going nuts :D

With good reason if that were the case. They could have done a processor bump as an interim measure. The real question is will the product be as good in reality as the pundits (or Apple) promise? Will the offered configurations be fairly priced without having to upgrade every single significant component? Will we see it in stores before the new year?
I hope it delivers because I really want to replace my aging iMac. The iMac- does Apple really care about it anymore? It's getting a little long in the tooth with is base 5400 RPM drive. I would actually prefer a nice iMac but I don't think I will wait until some decent upgrades occur to the line.
 
It's like Apple can only concentrate on one thing at a time. Significant MacBook Pro update means lacklustre iPhone update
 
A touchscreen on Windows 10 works. Does it replace a keyboard and mouse? Of course not. Does it add functionality? It does.

"It works" basically translates to: "I can sometimes drag around a window using my finger. Sweet, I can scroll using my finger in Internet browsers too."

In terms of features, does a touchscreen add functionality? In as much that adding a floppy drive would. But it doesn't enhance functionality; in as much as a floppy drive would.

I don't think anybody would pick a touch screen over OS X's trackpad. Even the three-finger window drag in OS X is far smoother and more efficient than touching the screen. I honestly believe that people defending the touchscreen simply have no idea how good and versatile a Mac trackpad can be.
 
I'm guessing this will still be a consumer MacBook "PRO"

- No removable anything.
- None upgradable
- Not quite the fastest Processors available

I do like the idea of that touch screen line... but that's not nearly enough to sway me to buy a product that might as well be called "MacBook Planned Obsolesce Pro"
 
I'd play games on a MacBook Pro... If it had the power to do so. My 2015 can't handle Lego Marvel Super Heroes.

MacBook Pro is especially popular with app developers. interesting to ponder on what this means for future iDevices. Apple isn't know to target gamers so more GPU power may be for that, but more for something else. What that somethings else is intrigues me.

My MacBook Pro is thin enough. Thinner is ok as long as it doesn't require trade offs.

TouchID...well it's about time!

Dynamic touch pad.... Meh. Kinda neat and probably useful.

USB-C for everything... Smh. Accessorize! Is the game at play here. Accessories and adapters for everything you want to do that's not built in. If only Apple would include the adapters in the box instead of charging $40 a pop... Yous Bastards!
 
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Not a fan of the oled bar, for me personally it's just a gimmick, but the question is, how expensive is that gimmick gonna be. Hope the prices don't change that much :/

How long have you been using one?

Reminds me of the huge pushback when Apple released the first iPhone. So many insisted it was doomed to fail in the market because of its "glass keypad" for text entry rather than having mechanical/physical keys used by other phone manufacturers.
 
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I see a bunch of whining over at The Verge. I wonder how many of those complaining actually need a new computer (i.e. their current computer is struggling to do the tasks they need it to do) or how much of it is people conditioned to believe OEMs need to release new computers every year. Would a Skylake 15" rMBP be significantly better than the current 15" RMBP?
 
All of their computer line up is so old that anything new would be an improvement. But I have no need for a new Mac as mine old mini still does the job.

Hope the rest of you will be happy
 
This is unfolding as I expected.

A lot of MR forum posts are going to look comically wrong soon, claim chowder will be tasty.
 
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Most significant overhaul:

- 2.5" 15mm SATA Express bay
- M.2 SATA/NVMe slot full length
- 4 DDR4 RAM SODIMM slots
- Removable battery
- 10GBase-T port
- Updated ExpressCard slot
- DP 1.4 port
- USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 port
- 4 well separated USB 3.1 Type A ports
- UHD Blu-Ray burner
- 6 core
- Discrete graphics card with Vulkan and proper OpenCL.
 
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Most significant overhaul:

- 2.5" 15mm SATA Express bay
- M.2 SATA/NVMe slot full length
- 4 DDR4 RAM SODIMM slots
- Removable battery
- 10GBase-T port
- Updated ExpressCard slot
- DP 1.4 port
- USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 port
- 4 well separated USB 3.1 Type A ports
- UHD Blu-Ray burner
- 6 core

Sounds to me like you need a DIY Mac Pro. Talk to that whiney guy with the Hackintosh in his signature, I am sure he could help build it :)
 
I'm guessing this will still be a consumer MacBook "PRO"

- No removable anything.
- None upgradable
- Not quite the fastest Processors available

I do like the idea of that touch screen line... but that's not nearly enough to sway me to buy a product that might as well be called "MacBook Planned Obsolesce Pro"


Again, which notebook that has been released this year is modular?
 
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