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MacBook Pro M4 Pro/Max is about to the most quickly depreciated Apple Silicon MacBook ever
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DIMEZ
macrumors 6502a
I means its happen before with intel MacBooks but I hop its not the case. It just doesn't make sense why apple wouldn't release all the m5s at the same time and then turn around and do it all again. also the air and the iMacs have to be all updated.
only apple really knows.
hopefully whatever the doing moving forward everything release at the same time.
only apple really knows.
hopefully whatever the doing moving forward everything release at the same time.
JPack
macrumors P6
M5 Pro/Max uses brand new SoIC-mH packaging which separates the CPU and GPU. That type of packaging requires time to ramp. It allows for more memory capacity and bandwidth.
The base M5 uses the standard monolithic design.
So Pro/Max was always expected to take longer and it's no surprise the launch was split.
The base M5 uses the standard monolithic design.
So Pro/Max was always expected to take longer and it's no surprise the launch was split.
CalMin
Contributor
It would actually be nice to find a compelling reason to upgrade the M1Pro MBP (2021 / 16GB / 1TB) because, frankly, it's still every bit as capable as when i bought it. Best money I've ever spent on a computer.
With RAM and SSD prices skyrocketing I guess customers will hold on longer to their already bought hardware. In fact I expect even second hand hardware to go up in price a lot.
Felt the same before Tahoe. Now, not as much. I have a large amount of stuff going on my machine. Likely I’d be better off with 64gb than 32gb but with Tahoe my memory compresses too much and it’s felt after a few days with no reboot.
CalMin
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I iive 80% in MS Office for work, so this machine still runs like butter and I multitask - A LOT. I've stopped looking at memory pressure because for me the real indicator of 'too little RAM' is performance and the machine never appreciably slows down unless I deliberately overload by opening every app, a VM, FCP at the same time. Even then, all I get are choppy animations, but the machine is still responsive.
I recently bought an M4 MacBook Air with 32GB and while the M4 feels a little snappier with app launches and the like, the M1Pro is still an excellent workhorse for an every business laptop.
In short, what I'm saying is that I'd update for new features but I don't need to upgrade yet for more CPU/GPU horsepower. At this rate, I'll be getting 10-years out of this laptop!
Thats exactly the use case that would have me feel the same. I wear many hats in my org and have many apps and pages (Hubspot pages can get up to 1gb) open, social media (super heavy these days) etc. Its heavy. It has felt like a true combination of the internet getting heavier plus the OS getting heavier, but the machine not improving. Its still doing extremely well for 5 years old and Ill be ready for the speed refresh when it comes with the M6 Max.
I'm just waiting for the launch of attachable iPowerbutton, and then I'll be happy with my M4 pro 'til death do us part.
dmccloud
macrumors 68040
Why do people keep saying it’s never happened?
It literally just happened three years ago.
M2Pro/Max MacBook Pros: introduced on January 17,2023
Apple Announces New MacBook Pros With M2 Pro and M2 Max Chips, Up to 96GB RAM, and More
Apple today announced the next-generation 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models with faster 5nm-based M2 Pro and M2 Max chips, up to 96GB of RAM, an upgraded HDMI 2.1 port with support for an 8K external display, faster Wi-Fi 6E, and more. The new M2 Pro chip features a 10-core or 12-core CPU...www.macrumors.com
M3, M3Pro and M3Max MacBook Pros: introduced on October 30, 2023
Apple Announces New 14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pro Models With M3 Series Chips
Apple today announced next-generation 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro personal computers during its "Scary Fast" event. These new computers include the new M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max chips, which were also announced during the event. Every model of the new lineup features a Liquid Retina XDR display...
Additionally, there have been two MacBook Pro updates in a year in 2006, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2019, and 2020.
It is absolutely nothing new.
At one time it was almost expected that the MacBook Pro would be updated once every nine months or so.
And anything released between 2021 and 2023 was off-kilter in terms of product cycles due to COVID and its impact on production worldwide across multiple industries. Those people expecting a nine-month cycle based off the M2/M3 situation overlooked those contributing factors.
Basic75
macrumors 68030
What does "the gimp" mean in this context? You probably are not referring to the GNU Image Manipulation Program.
dmccloud
macrumors 68040
The performance bump between M2 and M3 was minimal at best. I think that the memory bandwidth was lower across the board with M3, which offset the performance gains of the CPU and GPU cores. A lot of reviewers were pointing out how M3 was a disappointing release after the performance gains of M1 and M2 systems.
clv101
macrumors member
I don't think we'll see the OLED M6 MBPs until Q127. I also think there's a significant risk buying the first of a new design. M5 will be a good buy IMO.
When Steve was in charge, I never had to worry about possible problems as he was able to set things right one way or the other. I had complete confident on him. I did not have to check any reviews before purchase. Of course it was the era before macrumors and those youtubers were around. If that Ivy boy were the designer, definitely not to buy the first generation of the new design. Who is in charge of the new design after he left? I am thinking of three options:
1. Buy M5 Pro MacBook Pro 16" and don't upgrade to M6 Pro MacBook Pro 16" unless there is a good reason like significantly lighter weight.
2. Buy a cheaper M5 MacBook Air 15" and trade-in for the redesigned M6 Pro MacBook Pro 16".
3. Forget about the MacBook Pro, get a new Panther Lake Windows laptop and perhaps a M5 Mini as supplement as something could be done easier using a Mac.
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TokyoKiller
macrumors 6502
MacBooks in general have been depreciating a lot quicker than they used to since introduction of Apple silicon and the annual upgrade cycles, whereas with Intel it was not frequent that there was a 12 month cycle of new models and upgrades.
I disagree. Plenty of people are perfectly happy with M1 Macs still, and the used prices of those are definitely not super low. M2 and up still seem to hold pretty well at least based on how much they cost used where I live.
I've been using a M2 Max MBP for the past 3 years. It's a work machine so I have to change it every 3 years and I'm hoping M5 Max gets released soon so I can get the latest and greatest. I have the option to buy the M2 and I will, because it's a great machine still.
I don't think I'd be so readily interested in buying a 3 year old PC laptop. Even for Apple there was that awful Intel period with the **** keyboards etc.
If anything Apple has an issue where their Apple Silicon laptops are a bit too good. The only truly relevant spec change from M1 is the native HDMI 2.1 port. M2-M4 Pro/Max are not much different. Sure, the CPU and GPU have gotten faster and blah blah, but how many of you actually get any real difference from this?
To me the thing I'd like to see improved is display scaling support. Macs support a lot of displays at once, but scaling them is quite limited at 4K+ resolutions compared to Windows PCs on even an integrated GPU.
DIMEZ
macrumors 6502a
I was thinking this the other day. I spent almost 2k for a m2 air. I sold it last week for $600. For that price I was planning on keep it but I want an m5 air. But the amount of value I lost.
thats why I'm glad the base m5 works for me and dont need to upgrade to the pro chips. I was able to get it on sale and I dont have to spend almost 2700-3k for a machine that im used to in the past. Salute to apple for these silicon chips.
So depending on how the redesign is like, owners of M5 Pro/Max MacBook Pro could be the luckiest batch (best of M1-M5 generations) or unluckies batch with the new redesign being lighter, notchless, faster, can remember monitors of the same models, no issue with 5K2K monitors, etc. come out within a year or months?
TokyoKiller
macrumors 6502
You disagree with me pointing out that Apple M silicon chip Macs have depreciated quicker than Intel Macs? It is a literal fact not an opinion.
I remember the days that I can resell a 2015 MacBook Pro with Core i5 and 16GB of ram for close to 80% of the original cost I bought it for, because at the time of Intel chips the upgrades cycles were 18 to 24 months due to Intel's terrible release schedules and cycles.
Whereas, since 2020 with the M chips, Apple has been upgrading pretty much annually and thus pushing the prices of older models lower even though they perform insanely well when it comes down to the day to day use.
I don't know I am just observing the second hand market and can even see M4 and M4 Pro chip machines for sale a lot lower than brand new.
MrGimper
macrumors G3
I think the base and Pro chips were hindered and many think it was an Apple rushjob to get the first 3nm chip out.
Thankfully I bought the full-fat Max which still screams.
dmccloud
macrumors 68040
Anecdotal observation of second-hand markets does not make it "literal fact". You would have to have analysis of hundreds (if not thousands) of used MacBook sales to even make an accurate inference to the market as a whole.