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MacBook Pro. Professional or consumer laptop?
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lol that's how they ignore users. Silent fix? They ignored all users except for 2018 version. T2 security chip issue is still on. Check Adobe forum.
You clearly denying the fact that Apple is not caring about professionals. There are tons of people hate MBP because of Apple's attitude and service toward professionals and Im pretty sure you are living in a separate world.
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lol professional. If the device is not reliable, how can you even use it for professional works?
You use the old ones.
I have to say that I’m not happy with Apple as my coworker didn’t have the use of his work MBP for three weeks of time in multiple incidents. It’s fortunate that he could use his personal 2012 MacBook Pro to get his work done. But he shouldn’t have to do this.
Man you’re reaching with all that.
So. Hammer drill, percussion, impact etc etc. The type is irrelevant.
They all come in two flavours. Consumer and Pro. There is a marked difference between the two not just the price.
To the games point, the people that were primarily writing them were doing just that. Though they played them a little also.
The ones that were primarily playing them were looking to seriously tax the hardware. They used Windows boxes.
You know that there are people whose profession it is to test, (or play - choose whatever terminology suits you), games for a living right?
They are not built to go hard, they are built with compromises. That is my opinion.
Again, my use of a consumer level tool in my profession doesn’t suddenly raise the status of that tool to Pro.
Frankly Apple would need to pay me to use this garbage, at best the current MBP is a liability, at worst a pretentious toy...
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it's clearly a consumer laptop. you can of course do a pro stuff on it, but that's not a workstation by any means
Yeah but why Apple put a word "Pro" for? That's the biggest mystery. Compared to Mac Pro and iMac Pro, MBP is not a professional laptop for sure.
The title of this thread, and much of the content, is based on a false dichotomy. There is not a sharp cutoff that defines pro vs consumer; in fact, there is no cutoff whatsoever. As one prescient member noted, one person's consumer computer is another person's professional computer.
Instead of thinking of a dichotomous relationship, simply think of computers falling along a spectrum from low-end to high-end and different "professions" can find "professional" hardware anywhere along this spectrum.
Joe
Instead of thinking of a dichotomous relationship, simply think of computers falling along a spectrum from low-end to high-end and different "professions" can find "professional" hardware anywhere along this spectrum.
Joe
I wholeheartedly agree. When they had the MBP, they had the MacBook. This was killed off in like 2009 or 2010.
Mac Pro and iMac Pro are examples. Why would Apple make MBP with the word "Pro" to be used for both consumers and professionals? At least Mac Pro and iMac Pro have a sharp cut off for pro users.
Right, computers that serve people well in genetics research are not professional tools. Get real man.
Correct.
K. This is my last shot.
So what. I can't believe people are so blinkered as to not see the premise. Allow me to exaggerate to explain.
Look at these;
I could use any one of those in a job on a building site to do exactly the same job as those that are honed and built especially to perform in that environment. Does that make them pro level tools? No. By your metric they are.
I don't care if a genetics researcher has brought in his kids hammer for the day. The KIDS hammer is not a pro tool, DESPITE what his dad is doing with it.
How can you not see that?
It is my opinion that the MBP is not a Pro tool, yours is different, get over it. Your occupation does NOT make a tool that you use a pro tool.
Let me guess, they are making Windows games? Of course you would use Windows boxes to test a game under Windows, especially if you want to test it on a wide range of hardware...
Every tool is built with a compromise. The MBP can be used for demanding tasks and it will run 100% CPU for days or weeks without issues, but it's hardly the best tool of you need to run complex processing 24/7. You are just stuck with this definition of "Pro tool" in your head that doesn't make much sense for the real world.
I don't care. Tell me, is the following statement a fact?
Your occupation or activity has no bearing on the class of tool being used.
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Yes, correct. As are you. You're just coming from the opposite direction. The post title asks for an opinion. I have given mine. It is different from yours. It's not a big deal. One thing you cannot argue with as I have stated is that there are different classes of tool.
I don't think the MacBook Pro, lovely computer that is is, (I have one), is a Pro tool. Period.
Also the games were cross platform, "Let me guess, they are making Windows games", what a silly statement.
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I have a top-line 13" 2018 MacBook Pro.
It is the fastest Mac I have ever owned.
Is it a "professional" level machine? A: YES
Is it professional level across the board, definitely not. I doubt it is a pro-class machine for CGI work.
However, I make an income from art and video and I do it all on the MacBook Pro, and it is beefy and capable with 1080 video and any static graphics or photo work that has to be done. It definitely is professional level.... yet I wouldn't be surprised if the MacBook is pro level for such work. I'D RATHER HAVE THE MUSCULAR BENCHMARKS of the MacBook Pro.
I also do Logic Pro and Maschine audio, and this MacBook Pro is plenty strong and capable.
The only negative I have is that the keyboard warped through normal use. Resting the heel of my palms on the edges of the MacBook's body caused a flex in the keyboard, so the spacebar is buggy. AWFUL design. Every other aspect is incredible, to me.
I hook it up to a 5k monitor at home and do video editing super quick, even with several layers and transitions and tons of audio foley and effects, etc. The USB-C is fantastic, and using external M.2 drives is ultra-snappy. Internal SSD is instantly fast.
Is it pro-level for someone doing 4K video editing with endless layers? Probably not--they'd want something as fast as possible in the market, and the MacBook Pro isn't that device.
If you re doing heavy CGI, get a PC and max out everything possible! Macs don't go there, and where they can go is extremely expensive compared to PCs.
Rate the MacBook Pro by its capabilities, not its appellation. Choose it by your needs, not some vague designation.
It is the fastest Mac I have ever owned.
Is it a "professional" level machine? A: YES
Is it professional level across the board, definitely not. I doubt it is a pro-class machine for CGI work.
However, I make an income from art and video and I do it all on the MacBook Pro, and it is beefy and capable with 1080 video and any static graphics or photo work that has to be done. It definitely is professional level.... yet I wouldn't be surprised if the MacBook is pro level for such work. I'D RATHER HAVE THE MUSCULAR BENCHMARKS of the MacBook Pro.
I also do Logic Pro and Maschine audio, and this MacBook Pro is plenty strong and capable.
The only negative I have is that the keyboard warped through normal use. Resting the heel of my palms on the edges of the MacBook's body caused a flex in the keyboard, so the spacebar is buggy. AWFUL design. Every other aspect is incredible, to me.
I hook it up to a 5k monitor at home and do video editing super quick, even with several layers and transitions and tons of audio foley and effects, etc. The USB-C is fantastic, and using external M.2 drives is ultra-snappy. Internal SSD is instantly fast.
Is it pro-level for someone doing 4K video editing with endless layers? Probably not--they'd want something as fast as possible in the market, and the MacBook Pro isn't that device.
If you re doing heavy CGI, get a PC and max out everything possible! Macs don't go there, and where they can go is extremely expensive compared to PCs.
Rate the MacBook Pro by its capabilities, not its appellation. Choose it by your needs, not some vague designation.
As has been mentioned earlier, it is nothing more than marketing. It makes people think that there is a difference between "pro" and "consumer" in order to drive sales of the best "pro" models; after all, who doesn't want to be a professional at what they do... whatever it may be.
Marketing.
Frankly, the whole concept of pro vs consumer laptops is just marketing rubbish. The only thing that matters is whether it does what you want for as long as you want it to.
As someone else stated, you can clearly do professional work on it but it won't replace your desktop. It uses the maximum of what it's capable of for a laptop, by no means a "Pro" in the name will mean it will give you the same power as a desktop machine.
There are workstation laptops with server and ECC parts. Other consumer computers can do professional works. Same thing. I doubt that MBP worth to have a word "PRO" at this point.
In the Windows world 'pro' laptops are normally defined as those equipped with Xeon processors and Quadro graphics cards. They also must have passed at least 8 (and often up to 15) military specifications re: resistance to shock, dust, water, drops, temperature extremes etc. HP mobile workstations also have upgraded capacitors and pc tracings to ensure longevity. Mobile workstations are also certified by software vendors to run certain software packages optimally. Finally, 'pro' workstations come with 3-year onsite business support as standard. By these definitions, the MacBook Pro is a consumer machine, but a good machine anyway, or at least it used to be.