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I finally ordered my MacBook Pro after no announce at Photokina, even though I have been waiting for next Tuesday as long as many of you. Being without a notebook was affecting my ability to get things done.

I called to get an update on the estimated shipping date. My order information shows Oct 2nd as the ship date and Oct 4th as arrival.
I called to see if I could get it shipped sooner. They told me it was coming from China since I got the glossy display and the 7200 rpm hard drive.

What's the chance it has the Merom processor?
 
unstatusthequo said:
Um, WHAT?
Talk about taking things out of context... they can both have the same processor and one can still be of significant higher value than the other given the list of features I listed above. Usually the MBP TOL will have a faster version of that chip which the MB does not have...
 
rtharper said:
And because having their pro-line have a worse processor than their consumer line is completely illogical? :eek:

I was meaning as opposed to simultaneously, which was what the poster I was replying to had suggested would be the case.
 
jfsouza said:
Talk about taking things out of context... they can both have the same processor and one can still be of significant higher value than the other given the list of features I listed above. Usually the MBP TOL will have a faster version of that chip which the MB does not have...

My point was that having a 64 bit processor in a MacBook while absent in the MacBook Pro is odd... as in:

MacBook Merom != MacBook Pro Yonah.
 
ct-scan said:
And what industry do you work in where the speed of your computer doesn't matter????
(maybe I'm a little jealous)
I think I agree with him. I just want an update. Something new, not the same thing they've been putting out for most of a year now, with the same prices they had back when the Yonah chip was the "top of the line" notebook processor.

I think I would be somewhat upset if after all this waiting it just turns out to be a processor upgrade and nothing else. I would probably take Multimedia's advice and buy a low-end MB (Yonah or Merom) and hold out until Santa Rosa.
 
dmglover said:
I finally ordered my MacBook Pro after no announce at Photokina, even though I have been waiting for next Tuesday as long as many of you. Being without a notebook was affecting my ability to get things done.

I called to get an update on the estimated shipping date. My order information shows Oct 2nd as the ship date and Oct 4th as arrival.
I called to see if I could get it shipped sooner. They told me it was coming from China since I got the glossy display and the 7200 rpm hard drive.

What's the chance it has the Merom processor?

I ordered mine the same day. It shipped this morning, and the order details show the same specs as what they were when I ordered them.
 
jfsouza said:
Multimedia, you have serioulsy been holding together morale in this thread. Your positive reaffirmation that Apple will release C2D updates gives us all something to hang on to. Thank you very much.

Yeah - its called KOOLAID :D :D :D
 
richard4339 said:
I ordered mine the same day. It shipped this morning, and the order details show the same specs as what they were when I ordered them.

Really, well that is very interesting that you got yours so quick? I ordered mine yesterday. Did you have the same original ship and delivery dates as mine? Oct 2 ship, Oct 4 deliver?
 
Neuroguy said:
The big announcement, of an incremental upgrade (not even to version 2) of Aperture seems like a kind of silly reason to have a keynote. Its not a new product, not an enormous improvement, is a free upgrade, and didn't even make it to the front page of the website.

Actually, I think it is kind of a big deal. They put in a lot of effort on packing in some 20+ new features, as well as fixing some other issues from the previous.

On top of that, they're giving it away as a free upgrade?


I think that says a lot, really.

It would be like saying previous OS X users can upgrade to 10.5 for free, on a smaller scale of course though.


Looking at it, it's essentially the same thing.

Before someone comes out and flames me for this, just hear me out.




In software versioning, the world tends to increase the primary # only for huge changes.

For example, OS9 -> OS X, or FCSP 4 -> 5. etc.


The secondary update is increased for substantial improvements within the scope of the current primary version #.

For example, 10.2 -> 10.3 -> 10.4 -> 10.5
While improvements and innovations are made, they're still all OS X.


Apple tends to keep the same methodology for their other software lines as well.

So really, for them to bump Aperture up to 1.5, from 1.2 (or was it 1.1.x?), is a pretty significant update and improvement.


And they're letting users upgrade for free.


So, to the photography world, yes it is a big deal.


Of course, not near as big as announcing an updated notebook line. ;)
 
dmglover said:
Really, well that is very interesting that you got yours so quick? I ordered mine yesterday. Did you have the same original ship and delivery dates as mine? Oct 2 ship, Oct 4 deliver?

Can you tell when they were manufactured? If they left china last week we can give up hope on getting C2Ds for at least a month
 
manic said:
Can you tell when they were manufactured? If they left china last week we can give up hope on getting C2Ds for at least a month

I will let you know when it comes in. I just thought it was strange at this point in the MacBook Pro product cycle for it to be coming from China.
 
iWeb, iPhoto, iDVD, Pages and Keynote all updated in Sofware Update to support Aperture 1.5 now btw, while we're on the subject. :)
 
dmglover said:
I will let you know when it comes in. I just thought it was strange at this point in the MacBook Pro product cycle for it to be coming from China.

I don't know this for sure, but I assume that since Apple can produce multiple products at the same time, macbook, macbook pro, ipods, imac, mac pro, that they will also be able to simutaneously make the new merom macbook pro.

So, for those of you who are buying macbook pro's now... imagine if the one you ordered was built only a few feet away from the new merom version? Heh. That thought alone makes me want to wait. Although I am not pressed to upgrade at the moment, but I do plan on getting a new c2d macbook pro.
 
MB Speeds Will Remain Same But 2GHz Doubles L2 Shared Cache To 4MB

ergle2 said:
I always figured they'd do the MBP first, then have a gap, then do the much-faster-selling MacBook -- purely because Merom supplies won't be so tight as time passes.
ME 2.
rtharper said:
And because having their pro-line have a worse processor than their consumer line is completely illogical? :eek:
Worse but faster. But I agree.
jfsouza said:
Not really. When you consider that the MBP is bigger than the MB, has more features, more powerful components (i.e. videocard) etc., and its made from aluminum vs. plastic; the processor really does not matter.
Plus the MB speeds will not change anyway - only the size of the 2GHz L2 shared cache doubles up to 4MB which will a HUGE performance improvement and a much larger incentive to avoid the 1.83GHz Merom wihich retains the same meager 2MB L2 shared cache it already has.
 
rectangular said:
I don't know this for sure, but I assume that since Apple can produce multiple products at the same time, macbook, macbook pro, ipods, imac, mac pro, that they will also be able to simutaneously make the new merom macbook pro.

So, for those of you who are buying macbook pro's now... imagine if the one you ordered was built only a few feet away from the new merom version? Heh. That thought alone makes me want to wait. Although I am not pressed to upgrade at the moment, but I do plan on getting a new c2d macbook pro.

Our suspicion is based on the premise that it is unlikely YMBPs would still be manufactured if they were already producing MMBPs. If his machine was built, say, sept 20th, then that could be evidence that apple has not yet started building MMBPs. At one point, theyll stop manufacturing YMBPs, wait till inventory clears, and then unleash the merom.

I wouldnt be surprised if the macbooks were updated before the MBPs, though. I know a lot of people think this wouldnt make sense, but if theyre not finished with the redesign of the MBP, they might start selling MMBs. MMBPs would follow shortly, though.

At this point, though, its up in the air, really. Im going mad with the speculation, scrounging the internet for any bit of info I can get, and only ending up with the same old articles ive read time and time again. More than ever, if you need the stinking thing, get it. I dont even care anymore if the new model comes out the week after. Ill be in the US in oct and im getting it the day the plane lands.
 
Multimedia said:
incentive to avoid the 1.83GHz Merom wihich retains the same meager 2MB L2 shared cache it already has.

calling 2MB cache meager makes me chuckle :p . I was not so long ago I had a 256kb Pentium and envyed the almighty 1MB the soaraway G4s had. I realize that youre comparing it with the 4MB and agree that best to steer clear of the crippled 1.83
 
manic said:
calling 2MB cache meager makes me chuckle :p . I was not so long ago I had a 256kb Pentium and envyed the almighty 1MB the soaraway G4s had. I realize that youre comparing it with the 4MB and agree that best to steer clear of the crippled 1.83

Irony intentional? :)

(that "crippled" 1.83GHz Merom probably pretty close to matches current 2.0GHz Yonahs...)
 
Not to rain on the parade, but did anyone notice this tidbit:

"Before embarking on its next-generation notebooks in 2007, Apple later this year will refresh both its MacBook and MacBook Pro lines with Intel's new Core 2 Duo mobile processors." Meaning no new enclosures/design with the C2D upgrade :(

From Flash Laptop article on AppleInsider
 
jhande said:
Not to rain on the parade, but did anyone notice this tidbit:

"Before embarking on its next-generation notebooks in 2007, Apple later this year will refresh both its MacBook and MacBook Pro lines with Intel's new Core 2 Duo mobile processors." Meaning no new enclosures/design with the C2D upgrade :(

From Flash Laptop article on AppleInsider

Yes, more waiting.
 
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