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Hows the new tech holding out? My wifes 17MBP is asking for a new battery and I 'm thinking of procuring said item.

I've only had the new battery for a couple of days, but so far so good. I'm getting about six hours per charge, which is typical for this model. I installed an SSD too, and it really gave it a performance boost.
 
Please let Apple admit defeat, a huge price cut, and to tell us to keep our eyes peeled for the next system.

You know what's cool? When Nintendo fudged up their CEO took a pay cut, and they also gave away 20 games one time. And there are plenty of other examples of company CEOs admitting defeat and doing the right thing. It's endearing and, for me, builds trust.
I think we will see a price cut at some point, but this is a solid system. There is no "defeat" to be admitted. Most of the glitches reported are software-related. Apple's done this kind of pricing before (e.g. original MacBook Air).

Going forward, I think we'll see the non-touch MacBook Pro at $1299 in 2017 or 2018, with the Touch Bar at $1499. If the 12" MacBook drops to $1099 we may see the Air dropped entirely (or limited to just a single configuration).
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10 or so years ago we'd all have been banned for trolling.. 'the anti apple stuff' !!!

The ironic thing is now we're the vocal majority

The long time pi$$ed off loyal customers ...

One man CAN make a difference , sadly he's no longer with us ( not counting Scott Forstall ) , Timbo lacks vision , has zero creativity and is hopeless in EVERY way apart from bean counting which SJ found him for

Apple NEEDS an ENEMA
Luca Maestri is the CFO. Tim Cook was the COO, not the "bean counter." SJ hired him to get the supply chain functioning.
 
I have a BTO 15" with the 460 card and initially I was getting about 3 hours of battery life after having used migration assistant to transfer the files from my old machine. I thought it was very odd, but thought maybe it was something like spotlight doing indexing in the background, so I let it go for a few days and saw no improvement, even when I didn't have any apps running.

I then tried completely reformatting the machine, reinstalling apps from scratch, and manually moving data over from my old machine and my battery life instantly improved to 8+ hours. If you used migration assistant and have bad battery life, I think there's something about old software that is copied over in that process that causes the problem (at least in some instances). Manual migration is a pain, but it was worth it for me in this instance.
Good new. Perhaps other should try this. it was mentioned that a clean install can resolve some battery issues.
 
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I don't use crappy or abused cables so that's not an issue.
Not the cables. The plastic tabs break off very easily through the normal plugging and unplugging process. For a desktop, that's less of an issue, but our office is all notebooks. When Ethernet was the norm, virtually every plug was broken. RJ-45 was just a bad design.
 
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What bothers me is all the wasted space inside the 13-inch TouchBar model. It looks as if the components were crammed in without plan. I don't like the trade-off between speaker and battery and that the inside doesn't match the outside. Put the speakers behind the speaker grill and use the battery compartment for just that. The 13-inch FunctionKeys model does exactly that and nobody has complained about its battery life, afaik?
 
What bothers me is all the wasted space inside the 13-inch TouchBar model. It looks as if the components were crammed in without plan. I don't like the trade-off between speaker and battery and that the inside doesn't match the outside. Put the speakers behind the speaker grill and use the battery compartment for just that. The 13-inch FunctionKeys model does exactly that and nobody has complained about its battery life, afaik?
The non-touch bar model uses the 15W processor. That likely accounts for most of the difference.
 
Had an extended play with the touch bar today. It's stupid. Can't imagine when it would be genuinely useful. Just a silly gimmick not a good design choice.

Apple should make a no frills 15" laptop that's isn't silly thin, has plenty of ports (USB-C if needs must) and upgradable SSD and RAM, for a reasonable price that you can then spec-up to high end BTO if you wish.

They already had the crappy underpowered netbook called the MacBook to show how thin they could be. Leave proper machines alone.
 
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Try running the same test without using Chrome! Its a MASSIVE power hog when compared to safari and chews CPU at a much higher rate when streaming video!!

Performing the same task Chrome has a power impact of 20+ with Safari sitting less than 9
 
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The non-touch bar model uses the 15W processor. That likely accounts for most of the difference.
I don't care, it bothers me design-wise. It looks as if more battery life would have been possible, but someone decided to put a big woofer in place of the battery. I also have a feeling that next years model will look quite different inside. And it's too darn expensive for me anyway.
 
"A subset of users." Man I know this is not a journalistic site, but even for a rumors site, isn't that hitting a new low? Millions have been sold, so what percentage are experiencing this? What have independent tests shown? Clearly many reviewers and others have reported great battery life, so will there be an article titled "Many Macbook users reporting great battery life."? The point is that the headline suggests a problem with the new MacBooks without a shred of evidence, just some anecdotal tweets. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. What are the facts in the independent testing? not jane or john schmoe tweeting about it.
 
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I don't care, it bothers me design-wise. It looks as if more battery life would have been possible, but someone decided to put a big woofer in place of the battery. I also have a feeling that next years model will look quite different inside. And it's too darn expensive for me anyway.
Perhaps, but Kaby Lake slightly improves both speed and power consumption. The bigger jump will be with Coffee Lake, but Intel's timelines have been questionable lately.

Apple did maximize the use of space with the 12" MacBook, but I think with the "Pro" models both for MacBooks and iPads they are emphasizing improvements to the display and sound capabilities.
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So far the reviews I've read/saw have complained about battery life
I'm interested in the AnandTech reviews. That site is by far the most comprehensive in its technical analysis.

But PC Mag liked the battery life. http://www.pcmag.com/review/349093/apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-2016

And the Telegraph reviewer praised the battery.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...pro-2016-review-apples-almost-perfect-laptop/
 
With all the solar panels Apple put on their new spaceship building, you'd think they'd find a way to stick one on a MBP instead of the useless touchbar. That would be actual innovation instead of a gimmick.
 
Try running the same test without using Chrome! Its a MASSIVE power hog when compared to safari and chews CPU at a much higher rate when streaming video!!

Performing the same task Chrome has a power impact of 20+ with Safari sitting less than 9

There are people reporting 2 hour battery life using Final Cut. It can't be just put down to Chrome.
 
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A majority of the people complaining about poor battery life are using Chrome and won't even entertain using Safari.

Seriously this. Every screenshot of this supposed problem says right there "Using significant battery - Chrome". I noticed the same problem on my 2012 MacBook Pro Retina. Chrome has been a battery hog the last couple of years and is still that way. Try this on Safari, it's significantly more optimized for battery life. I believe part of the problem is that Chrome enables all the high power graphics processing along with swaths of memory. As soon as I open Chrome my laptop starts and turns to using the Discrete graphics card instead of the onboard low power intel.
 
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THIS! This is so true!

We all now that hating on the new macbook pro is pretty fashionable right now but let's keep the facts straight. Using an external display will decrease your battery life. It is known that Chrome is also really bad on the battery life on macs. So, let's get one thing straight: higher workload = shorter battery life. It's not rocket science guys.

Please post your data on how and why using an external display uses so much more power.
 
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Ah the new world of being an Apple post-beta guinea pig. Tim Cook is more concerned with making ride-sharing deals in India and China for $billions (or should I say rupees and yuans), than the North American $million dollar laptop market.

That's Uber cool.
 
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But we'd have a 500+ post thread about how Apple makes big, heavy notebooks and has lost its design flair because the Dell XPS 13" is under 3 lbs.

...and manages to pack in a USB-C/TB3 port for the future as well as a couple of USB-3 ports and a charge port (so you don't waste the USB-C on a charger). Hmm. The current version has a 15W processor so its more comparable with either the 2016 non-touchbar 13" MacBook not-really-Pro or the MB Air (depending if you want Retina/QHD). There were 28W versions on Dell's list in the past but ISTR they didn't do too well on battery life.

Thing is, the non-touchbar 13" is increasingly sounding OK, and is a good answer to the likes of Dell. Bit pricey, the I/O is a bit limited (multi-port dongle essential) but if you stop straining credibility by calling it a "MacBook Pro" - instead of the "MacBook Air" or just "MacBook" that it really is - it makes sense. Any criticisms of that are now fading into the background against the train-wreck of the touchbar models

But that's probably why they still provide the USB-A cable with the iPhone (because most Windows PCs don't have USB-C slots).

Funny thing is, even the Windows PCs that do have USB-C slots also have USB-A slots and charging ports so you can save the USB-C port for new peripherals that take advantage of them, rather than waste them on chargers, mice, USB2 flash sticks, printers, keyboards, iDevices...
 
All Apple products have a 'cooldown' post-install, of about 2 days. The software needs it to finish off background jobs. Check after for battery and performance
Bah, Spotlight indexing is the main thing and it finishes after about 3 hours on a new machine. Its probably more of a "new battery" thing. Check back after 5-7 full charge/discharge cycles. I don't care what battery university or whatever says, brand new batteries need to be "broken in."
 
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...and manages to pack in a USB-C/TB3 port for the future as well as a couple of USB-3 ports and a charge port (so you don't waste the USB-C on a charger). Hmm. The current version has a 15W processor so its more comparable with either the 2016 non-touchbar 13" MacBook not-really-Pro or the MB Air (depending if you want Retina/QHD). There were 28W versions on Dell's list in the past but ISTR they didn't do too well on battery life.

Thing is, the non-touchbar 13" is increasingly sounding OK, and is a good answer to the likes of Dell. Bit pricey, the I/O is a bit limited (multi-port dongle essential) but if you stop straining credibility by calling it a "MacBook Pro" - instead of the "MacBook Air" or just "MacBook" that it really is - it makes sense. Any criticisms of that are now fading into the background against the train-wreck of the touchbar models



Funny thing is, even the Windows PCs that do have USB-C slots also have USB-A slots and charging ports so you can save the USB-C port for new peripherals that take advantage of them, rather than waste them on chargers, mice, USB2 flash sticks, printers, keyboards, iDevices...

But since the Touch Bar models have 4 TB-3 ports, it's less of an issue using one up for a charging port. Plus, there are pass-through hubs. I like the Touch Bar model. It is anything but a train wreck. Most of the complaints are here on MacRumors. Even 9to5Mac reviewers seem to like it.

Apart from the graphics, not much differentiates the 15W and 28W dual-core mobile CPUs. "Pro" is more a marketing distinction (and has been since the Steve Jobs era - remember the 2010 13" MacBook "Pro" with a 3 year-old Core 2 Duo?).

We've already debated why Apple went all-in with USB-C and TB3 rather than include legacy ports (it's very Apple-like to do so). One advantage with the Touch Bar models is that you can charge from either side. Plus USB-C promises universal chargers once all the vendors get on board with the Power Delivery specs.
 
Apple has gone off the deep end with form over function. Literally, getting rid of the function key.
 
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Had an extended play with the touch bar today. It's stupid. Can't imagine when it would be genuinely useful. Just a silly gimmick not a good design choice.

Apple should make a no frills 15" laptop that's isn't silly thin, has plenty of ports (USB-C if needs must) and upgradable SSD and RAM, for a reasonable price that you can then spec-up to high end BTO if you wish.

They already had the crappy underpowered netbook called the MacBook to show how thin they could be. Leave proper machines alone.

Well said, and it can't be said enough. We already had the 'thin' computer line. Why did Apple feel the need to rape the 'pro' line in the unecessary pursuit of thiness?
 
I think we will see a price cut at some point, but this is a solid system. There is no "defeat" to be admitted. Most of the glitches reported are software-related. Apple's done this kind of pricing before (e.g. original MacBook Air).

Going forward, I think we'll see the non-touch MacBook Pro at $1299 in 2017 or 2018, with the Touch Bar at $1499. If the 12" MacBook drops to $1099 we may see the Air dropped entirely (or limited to just a single configuration).
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Luca Maestri is the CFO. Tim Cook was the COO, not the "bean counter." SJ hired him to get the supply chain functioning.

but the supply chain doesn't function there's still a 3-4 week wait - are they banking the cash and building all to order?
 
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