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MacBook Pros in High Demand, Increased Mac Market Share?
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I really hope that the MBP has caused increased demand. Not that I want to see Microsoft or Windows completely disappear - we need to keep them in a museum to see how unfriendly an OS can be - but a more level playing field will spur on more competition, I think.
Multimedia
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17" MBP - Apple Needs to Beat Toshiba 17" Qosmio G35 AV Portable with HD-DVD
Well, I hope the 17" MBP whenever it finally reaches us will include Expresscard 54 so we can add two FW800 ports to it. I also think it needs a HD-DVD SuperMultiDrive to compete with the new Toshiba 17" Qosmio G35 AV Portable with HD-DVD just being released in Europe now for only $2400. I don't see shelling out $3k for a top of the line 17" MacBook Pro without a HD-DVD OR Blueray optical drive inside. It's way too close to that difusion time to settle for an old DL "Super"drive as "state-of-the-art". Toshiba has thrown down the gauntlet and Apple better follow if they want to sell a lot of 17" MBPs. Ignoring HD-DVD or Blueray this year at the top of the line would be completely LAME.
If you study the specs of this computer, there is nothing Apple can't do better faster right now. Note: This includes Microsoft Office and Works and a TV tuner built in with TWO SATA HDs inside. On the downside, it's only running a 1.83 GHz Core Duo and slower 533 ram than the 15" MBP 667 ram. So the Mac will be running faster, but it's gotta have most of what the Toshiba has to get me excited enough to pull the trigger. I am thinking HD Optical minimum to get me on board. Dual SATA drives would be another minimum for me now. 😛
Well, I hope the 17" MBP whenever it finally reaches us will include Expresscard 54 so we can add two FW800 ports to it. I also think it needs a HD-DVD SuperMultiDrive to compete with the new Toshiba 17" Qosmio G35 AV Portable with HD-DVD just being released in Europe now for only $2400. I don't see shelling out $3k for a top of the line 17" MacBook Pro without a HD-DVD OR Blueray optical drive inside. It's way too close to that difusion time to settle for an old DL "Super"drive as "state-of-the-art". Toshiba has thrown down the gauntlet and Apple better follow if they want to sell a lot of 17" MBPs. Ignoring HD-DVD or Blueray this year at the top of the line would be completely LAME.
If you study the specs of this computer, there is nothing Apple can't do better faster right now. Note: This includes Microsoft Office and Works and a TV tuner built in with TWO SATA HDs inside. On the downside, it's only running a 1.83 GHz Core Duo and slower 533 ram than the 15" MBP 667 ram. So the Mac will be running faster, but it's gotta have most of what the Toshiba has to get me excited enough to pull the trigger. I am thinking HD Optical minimum to get me on board. Dual SATA drives would be another minimum for me now. 😛
Well, that will never EVER happen. Apple wants to keep everything closed and tied strictly to what they make.mcmillan said:
One of the reasons Microsoft is the king of marketshare is because of the fact that you can run Windows on any x86 hardware you have lying around. It also has amazing legacy support so that you can use applications compiled in Windows 95 or ones compiled in Windows ME, which is a lot more then you can say for Mac OS X. You go from 10.3.9 to 10.4.0 and some apps no longer work.
Flowbee
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DeathChill said:
Apple sells more computers than Microsoft does. Apple is essentially a hardware company that makes software for its hardware. Microsoft is a software company that produces software to run on other people's hardware.
Comparing Apple's marketshare to Microsoft's is pretty meaningless.
Flowbee said:
Yes, but this is changing.
Microsoft has always "made" hardware (their mice and keyboards are excellent), and they've dabbled into things like digital phones, speakers, etc. Usually their devices are made by a company on their behalf with their supervision on design. But let's not forget the XBox and XBox 360 which most definitely represent Microsoft directly, and on a consumer electronics level no less.
Microsoft has always put out "reference designs" for their platforms and it's up to the OEM to bring it to fruition (Windows CE / PocketPC, and more recently the WMA portable players). However, Microsoft realizes it can't compete with Apple's iPod/iTunes integration, and all of its OEMs are running around like idiots with no coordination. Therefore, I expect Microsoft to assert more control and possibly brand its own players.
Apple has always had its strengths in software (going back to early Quicktime). Mac OS on a PC has always been a dream and chance for Apple to build marketshare; now it is a grey-market reality with the switch to X86. I still wonder if Steve will unleash OS X on the general market in time and blindside Microsoft. The existence of QT on the PC, the existence of iTunes, this leads me to believe the Yellow Box rumors of Apple applications that run on Windows, especially when Apple has spent time and effort on bringing 3rd party applications under the roof. So, I believe Apple may finally be waking up and realizing that software is its strength.
As time passes, Apple will become more like Microsoft, and Microsoft will become more like Apple. My prediction 😉
As long as Apple keeps the death-grip on low-margin hardware, however, I can never see it achieving mass market success. It has to realize that the software is the magic not the hardware. There are signs this may happen but it runs counter to Steve Jobs' past decisions.
chatin
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I love the MBP, but the CPU has got to go!
Demand has cooled off considerably for macbook pros. I was able to get one without waiting.
Apple has done a great job with everything else on this computer! I like everything except the CPU. It runs hot, and the real world performance is not as good as it could have been, with a well designed single core 64-bit CPU.
Demand has cooled off considerably for macbook pros. I was able to get one without waiting.
Apple has done a great job with everything else on this computer! I like everything except the CPU. It runs hot, and the real world performance is not as good as it could have been, with a well designed single core 64-bit CPU.
Multimedia
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64-bit Dual Core Merom Coming This Fall
That would be the 64-bit dual core Merom in the Fall. Apple is not going to put single core processors in any portables ever again.chatin said:
jacobj
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chatin said:
Please explain how a well designed 64-bit CPU would be better than a 32-bit Dual Core! I am eager to understand what advantages there are to the 64-bit design other than the ability to address more RAM.
I happen to be using a MBP 2.0 GHz as we speak. I brought into work with me today just to configure it to the networks here and it has blown everyone away. A few friends here have AMD 64-bit CPUs in their desktops at home running both Linux and Windows and all of them are blown away by the speed.
chatin
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I don't know if you noticed how fast your battery drains, but that's one of the advantages of a well designed CPU.
Also, mine is hot enough to keep me toasty warm on a cold winter night. But I'm note sure if this would be an advantage in summer!
I like the MBP, but my cores seem to be dualing. Has anyone else had quicktime stall?
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Also, mine is hot enough to keep me toasty warm on a cold winter night. But I'm note sure if this would be an advantage in summer!
I like the MBP, but my cores seem to be dualing. Has anyone else had quicktime stall?
🙄
ezekielrage_99
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excalibur313 said:
I totally agree with you on this point, I made the Apple switch about 4 years ago and until you believe you really need it people wont make the switch to the dark side. Now if I had the option I wouldn't look at another Windows PC ever again (discreet please bring out 3D Studio MAX for Apple).
OSX on a Apple, I still can't see why you'd buy a superiour product and put XP or Vista (if it's EVER released) on an Apple. Anyway most of the major software packages you can get Mac versions of.
chatin said:
Once again, being 64-bit for the sake of being 64-bit does not mean faster.
Which is faster: adding these two numbers:
0000000000000000000000000000001 +
0000000000000000000000000000010
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or adding these two numbers:
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 +
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010
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the result is the same.
Multimedia
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Dual Core Will Always Trump Single Core
Demand has not cooled off for MBP at all. Supply has caught up with the huge demand. And not everywhere. I'm still waiting for the 17" MBP with ExpressCard 54.
There is always going to be an advantage in having two or more cores onboard. The ability to multitask with two or more cores is what makes OS X so great. I've been on two and now four for three years now and I can testify that even two is not enough when you get into serious multitasking like I do. I look forward to the day when there is a mobile Kentsfield for our MacBook Pros.
There is certainly no advantage to 64-bit single core that a pair of 32-bit dual cores won't hose. Almost everything is written for 32-bit anyway. The idea that programmers are all of a sudden going to get 64-bit religion is absurd. Main thing about 64-bit is our ability to have more RAM for the 32-bit apps to share.🙂
That is just not so. 🙄chatin said:
Demand has not cooled off for MBP at all. Supply has caught up with the huge demand. And not everywhere. I'm still waiting for the 17" MBP with ExpressCard 54.
There is always going to be an advantage in having two or more cores onboard. The ability to multitask with two or more cores is what makes OS X so great. I've been on two and now four for three years now and I can testify that even two is not enough when you get into serious multitasking like I do. I look forward to the day when there is a mobile Kentsfield for our MacBook Pros.
There is certainly no advantage to 64-bit single core that a pair of 32-bit dual cores won't hose. Almost everything is written for 32-bit anyway. The idea that programmers are all of a sudden going to get 64-bit religion is absurd. Main thing about 64-bit is our ability to have more RAM for the 32-bit apps to share.🙂
Multimedia said:
you too eh?
for at least 3 years i have been lusting after a brand new apple comp. now that i have the money i am waiting for the computer to be released. (i would get the 15, but lack of FW800 and having only a Expresscard/34 and less screen all mean i wait before buying.)
Multimedia
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I'm With Surreal Waiting For 17" ExpressCard 54 Big MacBook Pro
I'm thinking we might get it after a NAB announcement Sunday April 23rd. This is the day that all the NAB exhibitors have their press events before the expo opens Monday. If they don't announce it there, then they are not ready. I'll be surprised if they don't by then. But I may wind up waiting for the Merom 64-bit Rev.B version in September. 🙂Surreal said:
pianodude123
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I dont know why Apple's stock has been falling so much...I would be 100% more likely to buy a MBP if it ran windows. There are some apps that i need that only run on windows. Also, apps for windows are usually cheaper than those for mac.
chatin
macrumors 6502a
janstett said:
Maybe I'm just old school. I think Intel should try and get one 64-bit core working right before they shoot for dual. Dual is overhyped. I don't agree there are real world benefits for a hot and power hungry CPU adding the numbers the way the 386 did it in 1987!
I don't know why all this rawkus is about...windows on a mac.??!?!?
that concept is strange AND foreign to me right now.yet interesting to see two OS's operating on a MAC..
so..WILL DELL START RUNNING OSX SOON?
that concept is strange AND foreign to me right now.yet interesting to see two OS's operating on a MAC..
so..WILL DELL START RUNNING OSX SOON?
Multimedia
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Dual Core Is A Minimum Need
DUAL IS NOT OVERHYPED. Dual is OVERDUE. Quad is what is needed.
Chatin, there is NO WAY that a single core processor is an appropriate solution in the year 2006. Unless you are only writing with a word processor, the need for dual core processors is essential computing 101. I tried to do work with two processors and my dual 2.5 G5 was brought to its knees. My Quad is too slow. You are dreaming in a world of yesterday to not understand the need for more than one processor at a minimum in all computing environs. As for keeping them cool. Merom in September will be 20% cooler - lower power need - and 64-bit dual core running faster than Yonah. So there is no corelation between evolution of power and temperature. 😛chatin said:
DUAL IS NOT OVERHYPED. Dual is OVERDUE. Quad is what is needed.
Multimedia
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Windows On Macs Not Vice Versa
There are a large number of verticle market applications that are only written for Windows and will never be written for Macs. We will gain a significant number of switchers to Macs from brand X Intels who need to run those apps but would rather be running Mac apps the rest of the time and at the same time as the non-Mac apps they need to run for work.
No. It's not about OS X running on other brand Intel computers. It's about OS X and Windows both running on Macs and ONLY on Macs. 😉 🙂oaksteez SM said:
There are a large number of verticle market applications that are only written for Windows and will never be written for Macs. We will gain a significant number of switchers to Macs from brand X Intels who need to run those apps but would rather be running Mac apps the rest of the time and at the same time as the non-Mac apps they need to run for work.
YunusEmre
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Multimedia said:
Never say never. If the Macs take a bigger chunk of the market anybody who cares about their market share will have to consider supporting Macs also. Until they do some of their customers will have both and I can speak for myself, I would be very happy to switch to Mac and have no Windows at all. As it happens I can, and I will switch to Mac completely by the end of the year.