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If it was customer led I doubt they would have a base 8Gb configuration? We see continual posts about 8Gb being too low? Customer led means customer led.
What you see are people who do development work, use VMs, and do graphics work who claim that 8GB is too low. For them it probably is. MR members are not typical of the general populace. For someone doing basic computing who is working with a budget, 8GB may be just fine. We all would like Apple to increase the default configs but could they do it without increasing the base prices, too? A lot of people buy those base models because of the price.
 
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The 13” Air didn’t seem much lighter than the 14”MBP to me. I used to have a 12” MB and that really was a lot lighter even than the Air.

The 13” Air is 350g less than the 14”MBP. I wouldn’t be surprised if the 15” Air isn’t far off the same weight of the 14”.

For comparison the 16” MBP is 550g more than the 14” for a 2” bigger screen with bigger battery.
Yes, the 15” Air is likely to be similar in weight to the 14” MBP but with a larger screen. A 15” Air would be still be noticably lighter than a 16” MBP.
 
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still no rumor of price! I'm not worried about the specs as much as they are going to launch this thing at like $1799 vs the $1499 it should be.
 
That doesnt seem realistic if one is being honest. The 14 MBP price is $2000. A more realistic number would be 1799, that way it's in striking distance of the pro base price. If someone wants the bigger screen they pay the 1799 price, if someone wants the pro they get the pro. Thats how Apple typically operates.
That base model 14” MBP has 16GB/512GB so the comparison gets more tricky.

That $1400 price estimate is based on the $200 difference between equally spec’d 14” and 16” MBPs. Once you do that, you are left with $200 for two more inches of screen size. With a base price of $1199 for the 13” M2 MBA that gives $1399 for a 15” MBA with 8/256GB. Apple should cut that back to a $150 difference since this is the plain LCD screen and not a miniLED but they probably won’t.

If you spec up that 15” Air to match the 14” MBP you are getting up to about $1899 Which is high enough that they really should keep to the $150 premium.
 
Where are you getting those numbers? Just look at the Apple web page, the cheapest 14 MBP starts 1999.99, the cheapest 16 MBP starts at 2499.99. The price difference is 500 dollars not 200 dollar unfortunately. Just going by those number one would be looking at a 8/256 model costing 1699.99.
Not comparing cheapest. Comparing 14 vs 16 with

12-Core CPU
19-Core GPU
16GB Unified Memory
1TB SSD Storage¹​

 
Where are you getting those numbers? Just look at the Apple web page, the cheapest 14 MBP starts 1999.99, the cheapest 16 MBP starts at 2499.99. The price difference is 500 dollars not 200 dollar unfortunately. Just going by those number one would be looking at a 8/256 model costing 1699.99.
Comparing similar configurations the larger screen is $200 more.
 
No.

Go back and check which iPhone chip launched when and what chips Macs got after that. It's a fact that iPhone always leads the jump to a new chip generation, not a discussion.

This has been Apple's business strategy every since iPhone took off.

But also consider Apple's total revenue throughout the years:

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What's the headline? iPhone is Apple's most important product by far. Macs are far behind. It's not even a competition.

Additionally, the second largest chunk of Apple's revenue is "Services", aka all the billions of apps and inn-app purchases that all the hundreds of millions (billions?) of iPhone owners make every day using iPhones.

Macs don't hold enough shares of the desktop/laptop market(s) nor generate enough revenue (indirectly) in the Services category to be Apple's first priority.

iPhones do, however, and that's why Apple has consistently put most of its efforts and capital towards ensuring that every iPhone launch is a resounding success.

3nm comes to iPhone first.
There was the year that the iPad got the new chips before the iPhone. Not saying it is typical but Apple can do what they want regardless of what we think is set in stone.

Earlier this year there was a time when it seemed possible that an M3 might come out before the iPhones but since then reports about slow ramp up for TSMC 3nm have made that seem less likely.
 
Then you should be able to do pretty much anything you want, particularly if you are just doing cropping and color correction of photos. If you are doing graphic design with Photoshop it might not be as fast as doing it with more RAM but still doable. It depends on how much you value speed over cost.

I’m just doing photo editing nothing more, just basic stuff, I’m sure anything made in the last couple years would be light years faster than my Mac mini from the Stone Age. 😅
 
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If it comes with M3, this will be icing on the cake.

Even with an M2 chip, there will be many who will find this hard to resist, as it will be cheaper than the MacBook Pro with M2 Pro/Max chip, has a screen larger than the 14 inch MacBook Pro M2 Pro/Max, and will come in a sleek beautiful form.

The compromises made on this machine will not be important to many users, I think.
95% of the people don't need anything more powerful than M2 SOC for like 5 years.
 
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The low end of the line gets lesser components, not just less power. Expecting otherwise makes no sense.

I was mostly unaware how much components had changed until forced into the direct A-B comparison with a new MBP, and when I went back to the still-working 2016 MBP the older less good display and speakers were dramatically obvious.
I get what you're saying, just IMO 90hz+ is the standard in all laptops/phones these days (unless ultra budget). But apple does this for guys like me to be forced to buy Pro Models ;)
 
What you see are people who do development work, use VMs, and do graphics work who claim that 8GB is too low. For them it probably is. MR members are not typical of the general populace. For someone doing basic computing who is working with a budget, 8GB may be just fine. We all would like Apple to increase the default configs but could they do it without increasing the base prices, too? A lot of people buy those base models because of the price.
You have actually confirmed my point! Consumer led would in all likelihood mean customers would PREFER more than 8GB, whether they need it or not! You've even suggested the same "We would all like Apple to increase the default configs".
 
You have actually confirmed my point! Consumer led would in all likelihood mean customers would PREFER more than 8GB, whether they need it or not! You've even suggested the same "We would all like Apple to increase the default configs".
Sure. Without regard to price, I would PREFER 128GB of RAM but don’t want to pay for that, nor do I really need it. As you said “whether they need it or not”, our preferences do not always match our pocketbooks.
 
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I think the thing that will make or break a 15" Air is the price and I would like to see it start at £1,350, i.e. a £100 premium for the larger screen over the M2 Air.

Unfortunately I fear it will start at £1,500 for an M2/8/256, which does not seem all that compelling to me given that the M2 Air already feels on the pricey side for such a low-spec package.

At £1,500 once you go to 16/512, you are looking at £1,900 assuming usual upgrade costs. That's a stone's throw from the current MBP 14 price of £2,149 and more than I paid for an M1 Pro MBP 14.

It came in only £49 over your desired price!
Nice work 🙂
 
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