Macbooks are winning me over

[Adamantoise]

You just contradicted yourself...
I expect Apple to release features that the customer wants and not change things that the customer likes.

Now you're fishing for contradictions instead of telling me why using Anti-Virus isn't a satisfactory security measure.

If you don't like the new OS, then don't buy it! You are a customer, you have a choice! If you're worried about security then invest in Anti-Virus.

It's really simple.

 

[Prodo123]

Now you're fishing for contradictions instead of telling me why using Anti-Virus isn't a satisfactory security measure.

A lack of viruses is a security feature. It's a major selling point of a Mac, not having to use an antivirus. Using an antivirus to secure legacy Mac OS X versions defeats the purpose of using a Mac.

 

[LiesForTheLiars]

Really? Another anti-virus debate? There's a sticky on this I suggest checking it out.

 

[Adamantoise]

A lack of viruses is a security feature. It's a major selling point of a Mac, not having to use an antivirus. Using an antivirus to secure legacy Mac OS X versions defeats the purpose of using a Mac.

So pretty much, you want Apple to focus their manpower on legacy software because some customers are too stubborn to use Anti-Virus?

Dude, you're really reaching here. There's no argument to be had here.

If you don't want Mountain Lion, then don't buy it. Even if Lion isn't patched after the release of 10.8, chances of getting a virus are still slim to none and you know this.

Snow leopard had a whopping virus count of "1" since Apple moved to Lion! Just 1! And it wasn't even a virus! It was just a program that tricked some people into installing it. That's not a virus.

 

[Prodo123]

So pretty much, you want Apple to focus their manpower on legacy software because some customers are too stubborn to use Anti-Virus?

Dude, you're really reaching here. There's no argument to be had here.

If you don't want Mountain Lion, then don't buy it. Even if Lion isn't patched after the release of 10.8, chances of getting a virus are still slim to none and you know this.

Snow leopard had a whopping virus count of "1" since Apple moved to Lion! Just 1!

I expect Apple to release features that the customer wants and not change things that the customer likes.

I won't reply to people who don't listen to what I say.
Have a nice day.

 

[LiesForTheLiars]

So pretty much, you want Apple to focus their manpower on legacy software because some customers are too stubborn to use Anti-Virus?

Dude, you're really reaching here. There's no argument to be had here.

If you don't want Mountain Lion, then don't buy it. Even if Lion isn't patched after the release of 10.8, chances of getting a virus are still slim to none and you know this.

Snow leopard had a whopping virus count of "1" since Apple moved to Lion! Just 1! And it wasn't even a virus! It was just a program that tricked some people into installing it. That's not a virus.

1? What was the name of said virus?

 

[Adamantoise]

I won't reply to people who don't listen to what I say.
Have a nice day.

In other words, you can't find any face saving way to say "I am wrong and don't know what 'I'm talking about".

Lol

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1? What was the name of said virus?

It wasn't even a virus. It was that MacDefender thing that tricked some stupid people into installing it.

Prodo over here is complaining that Lion is going to be virus infested after the release of Mountain Lion since Apple doesn't support legacy OSes

 

[Medic278]

Having recently made the transition to Mac you will be very happy. All of your iOS devices just work so seamlessly with a Mac to me its like they run better. You don't get slow syncs and choppy downloads it just hums right along. Also the current gen MBP are great machines and will serve you well so if you want I would pull the trigger and convert like the rest of us. Best of luck in your hunting.

 

[GGJstudios]

Macs lack any security measures against viruses.

You can't have security measures against something that doesn't exist. Mac OS X does, however have built-in malware protection.

..., more viruses ... will appear.

You mean the first virus may appear, since there hasn't been one yet.

You don't need any 3rd party antivirus app to keep your Mac malware-free. Macs are not immune to malware, but no true viruses exist in the wild that can run on Mac OS X, and there never have been any since it was released over 10 years ago. You cannot infect your Mac simply by visiting a website, unzipping a file, opening an email attachment or joining a network. The only malware in the wild that can affect Mac OS X is a handful of trojans, which cannot infect your Mac unless you actively install them, and they can be easily avoided with some basic education, common sense and care in what software you install. Also, Mac OS X Snow Leopard and Lion have anti-malware protection built in, further reducing the need for 3rd party antivirus apps.

Mac Virus/Malware FAQ​

 

[LiesForTheLiars]

It wasn't even a virus. It was that MacDefender thing that tricked some stupid people into installing it.

Prodo over here is complaining that Lion is going to be virus infested after the release of Mountain Lion since Apple doesn't support legacy OSes

So there remains 0 Mac viruses at this point in time.

And yes the "virus infestation" theory is rubbish.

 

[stickybuns]

That's where the problem is. With Apple ceasing to release updates on older OSes, they essentially are saying, "If you don't get the newest version, you will have many, many problems." This is effectively forcing people to upgrade.

Um... I'm still getting updates for Leopard. Just never got around to updating the OS. (A refurbished 2011 MBA is on its way to me, so I'll be trying Lion soon enough).

 

[Bobby Corwen]

I can't believe how good this background looks on this Windows laptop! I'm keeping it.

I'm being extra naughty today.

oooh you naughty boy...

 

[Jazojas12]

I've always done "natural scrolling" since Leopard. I thought it came like that by default?

Drag fingers down and the page goes down right?

 

[throAU]

Wait until apple OSX 10.8 screws everyone over like what they did with OSX 10.7. Haha... then you will run back to PC and everyone else will downgrade to 10.6 (SL) .

I've been on Mac since Leopard. Lion is no big deal, i like it. Yes you need more RAM. Leopard would't run with the 512K that my amiga shipped with in 1989, either.

Time, and system requirements move on. It would appear that some people don't.

 

[Medic278]

I've always done "natural scrolling" since Leopard. I thought it came like that by default?

Drag fingers down and the page goes down right?

You got it, two fingers and swipe to the right and it takes you back a page.

 

[motoleo]

oooh you naughty boy...

Yup, and I still have it as my wallpaper. I'm keeping it.

 

[Jazojas12]

You got it, two fingers and swipe to the right and it takes you back a page.

Oh ok I have BetterTouchTool so mine is slightly different. To go forward/back I rotate my fingers in the direction. Three finger swipe left/right to change between tabs/pages. Three down or up goes to bottom or top of the page. Four finger swipe left/right changes volume. Play/pause music I hold index/ring and tap with middle. Two finger (middle/ring) and tap with index changes my song previous. Play next is reversed (index/middle and tap with ring). Add the pinky into the previous two and it changes brightness. Three finger tap closes page. Four finger tap minimizes program.
If I go on someone else's laptop it's really annoying not having those features haha. I could do without the F keys pretty easily, have dual SSD so don't use eject and never use volume off or dashboard.

 

[elpmas]

Haha, wait until the refresh if you can. If not, it'll be a great buy either way

 

[jackrv]

I've always done "natural scrolling" since Leopard. I thought it came like that by default?

Drag fingers down and the page goes down right?

That paradigm only came about with interfaces using only a mouse/keyboard, having to drag a scrollbar or move a cursor. What Apple calls "Natural Scrolling" is what you would do if you had a large newspaper in front of you on a table. You push "up" on the paper to "scroll" the content down. Same as with any touchscreen phone or tablet, you "push" the content away, as if you were interacting with real medium, not a scrollbar or moving a cursor through a screen.

It's late, need to go to bed, so can't really tell if troll or not


I do think that Apple should drop the term "scrolling" though, as that might be what is adding to confusion. "Scrolling" has become synonymous to the scroll wheel. Perhaps "Natural Navigation" might be more apt. With touch-based devices proliferating (phones, tablets, laptops, trackpads), the term "scroll" might only apply to people who still use only a mouse as a form of input.

 

[Jazojas12]

Please delete.

 

[Skyrim]

Mac is much simpler to use. No need to worry about versions, drivers, virus, etc. If you do not like complicated things, you will enjoy Mac and not go back to Windows.

 

[Buildbright]

I am a recent convert...Well partially, It started with an iPad, then an iPhone, and lastly a MacBook Air. I still have a work pc and it will stay that way because no Mac could affordablly replace it. My pc has 6 monitors and all the goodies. The thing with desktops is they are cheap once you build a systems. To stay up to date i spend $200 to $300 every three years. But I also know how to maintain it.

The average person I recommend a Mac. Specially with how well parallels works with windows. Not having to mess with Viruses and having the genius bar for tech support is unbeatable.

 

[sjinsjca]

Macs lack any security measures against viruses. As hackers find more and more exploits on older OSes that are not regularly updated, more viruses and security holes will appear.

FUD-spreaders have been saying that for years. Meanwhile the installed base of iOS--which is a trimmed-down version of OS X--now exceeds 20% of the entire installed base of Windows. And the doomsday scenario you describe just ain't happening. There are architectural reasons for that, and it probably won't happen.

Right now the most significant malware vulnerability in the wild for the Mac is the possibility of a user's willful installation of software containing malicious payloads. So, don't do that. There is also a Java exploit out there which can target folks with non-up-to-date installations of Snow Leopard. So, take advantage of Apple's frequent updates.

And that's about it. On the iOS side, the walled-garden app environment on top of a very-well-designed architecture has kept users and devices incredibly secure. That's what the future looks like.

I like Lion a whole heck of a lot and recommend it highly. But there are folks who stick with Snow Leopard for legitimate reasons. These include needs for Rosetta and other app-compatibility issues. SL is a truly great operating system and will be supported well by Apple for years hence, including frequent security updates. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, and those of us who advocate for Lion aren't contending there is.

But it will be left behind as new features are rolled out, and being current on one's OS version will increasingly be required in order to install and use emerging software. That's already occurring.

But viruses and security holes... nope, not happening. Especially viruses, which are formally defined as a self-replicating breed of malware. There are no repeat no viruses in the wild for OS X. And again, there are architectural reasons for that, and it's not likely to happen.

 

[WhoisMedina]

Agee. Bought a Mac Mini when my old Windows desktop went south. Since then I've added 2 iPhones, 2 iPads, and now looking into getting MacBook Pro for school (Software Engineering @ New England Tech)