Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Actually mbp 16 is very good for gaming, i did used egpu with turboboost off and the machine was like 60C while heavy gaming so no issue
I was really tempted to go with the mob 16 but picked the iMac because I was concerned about heat. I have the 2020 iMac with the 5700 XT and it was better than a dedicated water cooled Windows tower that was running an Nvidia 9800 Ti card. I installed Windows on an external SSD with Bootcamp (found instructions online) so I don't have to use my precious internal Mac storage. Fans were more quiet on the iMac and it was smoother. I don't know how the ATI card could handle that performance in such a small space. Played for hours and the fans were noticeable but not anything crazy.

My only complaint is the iMac speakers don't get loud in Windows so I had to do my own speakers.
 
Only works on T2 macs for no apparent reason.
Lets try to think this one through. Let me see, hmmmm, the T2 chip handles disk encryption/decryption and boot camp is a known attach vector. Might the reason have something to do with this? That might lead to having to have different versions of bootcamp. Well there now seem to be different versions. Will the older version get the same update later? Time will tell.

Of course, I'm an\m just using logic on why this was necessary - seem very plausible
 
And the T2 chip also carries the SSD and does system operations. It's not just a security chip. I didn't say it played a role in trackpad gestures. 🙄
I love these types of posts. Just because you don't see a reason doesn't mean there isn't one technically. The T2 is a SoC and gives Apple more flexibility on how they can run the system.

Your previous comment seems to suggest that the T2 chip plays a role in trackpad gestures. 🙄
 
I am not an Apple engineer, but I'd deduce that what is going on here is they are using spare processing capacity on the T2 chip to handle this. It could be doing the same on macOS, but we wouldn't know since we're not privy to the details. It is also possible they pass built in trackpad and keyboard input data through the T2 chip on T2 equipped Macs for extra security.

There is a reason for it. Even if that reason isn't immediately apparent to us.
I also think it has something to do with encryption/decruyption which is done on T2 chip. Bootcamp is a known attack vector, so there seem to be reasons for dual versions of bootcamp. will the older version get updated as well? Who knows. And you are entirely correct, there are valid reasons for it, even if not intuitively obvious to the lay person (which is us)
 
Your previous comment seems to suggest that the T2 chip plays a role in trackpad gestures. 🙄
no, it kind of implies it has something to do with the security processing, you know, something like encryption/decryption (oh wait, that is the T2 chip), and seeing how bootcamp is a known attack vector, makes sense. So two versions of bootcamp, one released to address trackpad gestures (also the list of computers supporting Monterey), so obviously the teams were working on this. Now the question is will they back fill support on older Macs? Maybe, Maybe not, sprat bootcamp, separate issue
 
  • Disagree
Reactions: 708692
I am not an Apple engineer, but I'd deduce that what is going on here is they are using spare processing capacity on the T2 chip to handle this. It could be doing the same on macOS, but we wouldn't know since we're not privy to the details. It is also possible they pass built in trackpad and keyboard input data through the T2 chip on T2 equipped Macs for extra security.

There is a reason for it. Even if that reason isn't immediately apparent to us.

If the T2 chips plays a part in trackpad support. What about the older Macbooks which do not have the T2 chip but offers the same trackpad support and gestures as the newer ones with the T2 chip and M1.

Apple could have added the better trackpad support to older Macbooks without the T2 chip if they put their mind to it. They simply chose not to. This is just like how they did not make some features available on the Intel Macs. Even simple features like 3D map, an interactive globe and etc.

What other reason is there? They are simply lazy and do not care.

Some users even made third party drivers which mimic the normal macOS gestures for their Windows Mac. If they can do it why can't Apple?

This update is actually a long overdue one.
 
Last edited:
I guess they're throwing Intel Mac users a bone after announcing a ton of Apple Silicon-only features this week...
Intel gets better mouse tracking AND Boot Camp while Apple Silicon just gets a spinning globe :( The world just ain’t fair, I tells ya.
 
Finally! As crappy trackpad drivers in Win10 is one of the reasons I have use a mouse in bootcamp. Glad Apple did this as my MBP 16 will soon be abandoned to security updates only on MacOS in the next 1-2 years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AmazeSE
Lets try to think this one through. Let me see, hmmmm, the T2 chip handles disk encryption/decryption and boot camp is a known attach vector. Might the reason have something to do with this? That might lead to having to have different versions of bootcamp. Well there now seem to be different versions. Will the older version get the same update later? Time will tell.

Of course, I'm an\m just using logic on why this was necessary - seem very plausible
infosec analyst here - short version no. Longer version - they'd have to pump EVERY last bit of data flowing through windows into the T2 chip to help close off a known attack vector to act as sort of a hardware AV (which I believe you are suggesting it does) which it absolutely cannot handle. So...no. Plausible it's handling encryption on windows, but I highly doubt it. Also Apple isn't going to have their uber proprietary chip handle ANYTHING to do with Windows. Ain't gonna happen.
 
I ran the Windows ARM Preview in Parallels for a while and I hope to the UNIVERSE that they announce a way to license it. That would allow my K-12 district organization to go fully Apple, not just our teachers.
That’s a very specific request for the universe.
 
  • Like
Reactions: David G.
Definitely still some weirdness. Clicking items rapidly results in some weird cursor movements just like the community github release. But it’s a lot better!
 
Now they just need a little pow wow with MS to get it working on Apple Silicon lol. Maybe they're saving it for Windows 11? lol.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BeefCake 15
I love these types of posts. Just because you don't see a reason doesn't mean there isn't one technically. The T2 is a SoC and gives Apple more flexibility on how they can run the system.
I do like to remind people there is already a project out there that create Windows Precision Touchpad drivers for wide range of MacBooks and Magic Trackpads including models that don’t have a T2 chips inside, and the entire project is made by a single person.
 
I love these types of posts. Just because you don't see a reason doesn't mean there isn't one technically. The T2 is a SoC and gives Apple more flexibility on how they can run the system.
There are multiple fancy 3rd-party trackpad drivers for older MacBook Pro models, and even my Chromebook running Windows has fancy precision touchpad drivers developed by the community.

Apple choosing to make their new drivers only for Macs with T2 is 100% planned obsolescence. They have direct access to the hardware and original source code, yet can't accomplish what some kid in their mom's basement is capable of?
 
There are multiple fancy 3rd-party trackpad drivers for older MacBook Pro models, and even my Chromebook running Windows has fancy precision touchpad drivers developed by the community.

Apple choosing to make their new drivers only for Macs with T2 is 100% planned obsolescence. They have direct access to the hardware and original source code, yet can't accomplish what some kid in their mom's basement is capable of?
Yeah to say trackpad drivers need additional hardware is silly and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how computers in general work. But I mean what can you expect after decades of Apple dumbing down their products?
 
Only works on T2 macs for no apparent reason.

Fun fact. In the earlier Macs (80s era), the mouse pointer was controlled by an indepedent chip, not relying on the CPU at all to keep the pointer responsive and positioned on-screen. That slowly changed over the years, and I'm wondering if this is a return to that, where the T2 chip (which is a SoC, not just a simple chip), takes over some of the pointer-handling functions?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Unregistered 4U
I'm sure you're right, you must be. There are some Apple Silicon features its true, but most features run on newer intel Macs as well (not mine, sadly, its a 2014). Obviously Intel Macs are continuing to be supported if that was your side loaded insinuation
Lol, no “side loaded insinuation” (chill, dude) just an acknowledgment of the obvious: Apple’s development priorities are shifting to their native processor.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.