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Just as you said... who is buying a new Mac today?
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Macintosh Moving to Intel Processors [Updated]
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Just as you said... who is buying a new Mac today?
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This is the best thing Apple could do. IBM didn't deliver the performance that was promised, and Apple shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of their lost. On x86, if Intel doesn't delivers, Apple could always turn to AMD as their major supplier. Lots of options with x86, as oppose to PowerPC with Motorola (or Freescale) and IBM as their only options...
This is the best thing Apple could do. IBM didn't deliver the performance that was promised, and Apple shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of their lost. On x86, if Intel doesn't delivers, Apple could always turn to AMD as their major supplier. Lots of options with x86, as oppose to PowerPC with Motorola (or Freescale) and IBM as their only options...
Cue said:
Huh? Maybe if I turn screen brightness to zero, and turn off Bluetooth and Airport. But then, what am I gonna use it for? No, my brand new 1.67 Powerbook barely gets 2 hours...not that I'm complaining. I love my Powerbook, even if it has that old outdated IBM chip.
omg, there are so many closed-minded and immature people on these boards. GET OVER IT!!! THIS IS A GOOD THING!! Mac is and has always been about the OS and hardware design. None of those two are changing. The only thing that will change is they will use a processor from a different manufaturer... thus making your computer run a heck of a lot faster than before. If you have a problem with that... i feel bad for you.
Also.. Generic PC's will not be able to run OS X, Schiller made that very clear. I don't know why people are uncertain about this. Apple will continue making hardware and the only way you can run OS X is through apple mac's.
Be happy, jeez.
Also.. Generic PC's will not be able to run OS X, Schiller made that very clear. I don't know why people are uncertain about this. Apple will continue making hardware and the only way you can run OS X is through apple mac's.
Be happy, jeez.
Flat Panel iMac!!!!
FoxyKaye, If you read very carefully, the older iMac had both components as user replaceable (processor and midplane). They changed that recently to be a service provider task!! Still should provide a way for you to keep then 20" panel and other bits and pieces which Apple does not really make a huge profit on anyway.
./sherif
FoxyKaye said:
FoxyKaye, If you read very carefully, the older iMac had both components as user replaceable (processor and midplane). They changed that recently to be a service provider task!! Still should provide a way for you to keep then 20" panel and other bits and pieces which Apple does not really make a huge profit on anyway.
./sherif
The question right now is weather there will be any apps for PPC in two years time. Does Rosetta only support PPC -> x86 or x86 -> PPC too. If Rosetta did that, why didn't Steve demonstrated that?ColoJohnBoy said:
Who would buy a Mac now? Probably me ...
For the past seven months, I've been looking forward to this summer, when I'd finally be able to buy my first Powerbook. Today's announcement does little to change that. Yes, the hardware will be changing in a year. Yet, my new Powerbook will be better than my Gateway desktop, and still be a great computer.
The main reason I'm switching to a Mac is the OS, not the hardware. I've just been trying to convince myself that the hardware is "good enough." It was good enough yesterday, and for me, I'm thinking it is still good enough today!
Does anyone really think I should wait a full year? I'll probably wait a bit to see if the prices drop, but I'll have a new PB my the start of fall quarter ...
For the past seven months, I've been looking forward to this summer, when I'd finally be able to buy my first Powerbook. Today's announcement does little to change that. Yes, the hardware will be changing in a year. Yet, my new Powerbook will be better than my Gateway desktop, and still be a great computer.
The main reason I'm switching to a Mac is the OS, not the hardware. I've just been trying to convince myself that the hardware is "good enough." It was good enough yesterday, and for me, I'm thinking it is still good enough today!
Does anyone really think I should wait a full year? I'll probably wait a bit to see if the prices drop, but I'll have a new PB my the start of fall quarter ...
It is all about the portables...
I for one am very happy with apple's choice to move to Intel. Anyone who has been paying attention to the tech world already knows this but...
for the first time ever...laptops have outsold desktops..
Apple had a zero growth path in their portable line and that would have seriously hit their bottom line in the long term. Apple decided to take a short term loss for the long term gain. A very wise business move considering apples current position with strong iPod sales and large cash reserve.
I am looking forward to my PowerBook G6 (Yonah) in 2007. Should be a very nice upgrade from my G4 1.25GHz.
Hickman
I for one am very happy with apple's choice to move to Intel. Anyone who has been paying attention to the tech world already knows this but...
for the first time ever...laptops have outsold desktops..
Apple had a zero growth path in their portable line and that would have seriously hit their bottom line in the long term. Apple decided to take a short term loss for the long term gain. A very wise business move considering apples current position with strong iPod sales and large cash reserve.
I am looking forward to my PowerBook G6 (Yonah) in 2007. Should be a very nice upgrade from my G4 1.25GHz.
Hickman
I am most concerned about all of the recent switchers with Mac Minis. Now that they have jumped ship, they may feel like Apple is abandoning them.
Also, I would love to know if future software will be able to run on my powerpc based Macs. Probably not.
As far as it being "stupid" to depend on resale of one computer to buy another, I disagree. Apples have always had higher resale value. As a student right now and for the next 7 years with college and med-school, I have to live within my meager means and anything, including a high computer resale value, helps. I guess this will mean fewer future upgrades for me.
To end on a high note, does this mean that future powermacs, or whatever they'll be called, will have a more diverse and compatible upgrade path with video cards, sound cards, tv tuners, etc?
Also, I would love to know if future software will be able to run on my powerpc based Macs. Probably not.
As far as it being "stupid" to depend on resale of one computer to buy another, I disagree. Apples have always had higher resale value. As a student right now and for the next 7 years with college and med-school, I have to live within my meager means and anything, including a high computer resale value, helps. I guess this will mean fewer future upgrades for me.
To end on a high note, does this mean that future powermacs, or whatever they'll be called, will have a more diverse and compatible upgrade path with video cards, sound cards, tv tuners, etc?
To add to that. Here are the specs. I would pay 2999 in an instant for a machine like this. If the new design means that I can run WIN AND OSX - booyah. More important, EVOLCRE wouldn't spend the money. The procurement department of his company would as long as I can justify compatibility with the rest of the network. So Steve loses 10 fanboys who debate the insides of a machine and who end up buying ONE machine over 4 years. But he gains 50 evolcres and their corporate bought MACS who wil upgrade every 2 years because they're NOT paying for it. What do you think he does?
Check out the specs on this machine and tell me that if it ran OSX it wouldn't make you drool??
Check out the specs on this machine and tell me that if it ran OSX it wouldn't make you drool??
SGP said:
Superior production capacity. Intel can pump out chips like there's no tomorrow. AMD can't.
I'd want them to switch for AMD for desktops, because they're just plain better than Intel's alternatives. But it's not a realistic option...
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- The newest Pentium 4s (the 6xx, and soon the 5xx, series) have 64-bit extensions, can run 64-bit apps, and support tons of memory.
The Pentium M currently doesn't have these, but only because Intel doesn't think there's a marked for it yet, or so they say.
the word of the day is: ambivalent!
Random thoughts
*even though we've been hearing about this for a few days, I'm still kinda shocked...this will take a few days (weeks? months?) to settle.
*bottom line, as long as its running os x and is designed by apple, ultimately I'm fine with it.
*Even though it's incredibly silly, I always thought of apple as the jedi "good guys" and pc as the "dark side"...it feels like we've gone to the dark side (NOOOOOO)....I know, silly
*For all the people saying "quit overreacting" and "chill"...this IS a big deal to a lot of people, I see nothing wrong with people letting out some frustration- for a few days anyway
*What does mean for the powerbook...no updates for a year? will g5 development continue? will be stuck with 2.7 ghz and 1.67ghz?
*dell and apple will both have intel processors...sorry that just doesn't sit right with me...I'll get over it.
*this whole ordeal has raised more questions than answers.....
Random thoughts
*even though we've been hearing about this for a few days, I'm still kinda shocked...this will take a few days (weeks? months?) to settle.
*bottom line, as long as its running os x and is designed by apple, ultimately I'm fine with it.
*Even though it's incredibly silly, I always thought of apple as the jedi "good guys" and pc as the "dark side"...it feels like we've gone to the dark side (NOOOOOO)....I know, silly
*For all the people saying "quit overreacting" and "chill"...this IS a big deal to a lot of people, I see nothing wrong with people letting out some frustration- for a few days anyway
*What does mean for the powerbook...no updates for a year? will g5 development continue? will be stuck with 2.7 ghz and 1.67ghz?
*dell and apple will both have intel processors...sorry that just doesn't sit right with me...I'll get over it.
*this whole ordeal has raised more questions than answers.....
Abercrombieboy said:
Yah but iPod sales should be able to keep Apple going for a while as long as iPod sales don't totally tank. Consider how much Apple makes off of each iPod. If they even dropped their prices a little to keep sales going it should be enough. We are talking a year here before the conversion occures. I'll bet a paycheck one of the first products out of the gate other then the Mini will be the iBook and PowerBooks. Think dual core Pentium M's because 6/6/06 IS the timeframe INtel is est they will have DC M's out. *drools* Once that happens sales should start picking up. Apple whethered the G4 PowerMac slump. They will whether this as well. Also keep in mind that the average PC user is NOT a geek. This news is well above most people's heads. I think anyone who walks past an Apple store is still as likely to walk away with a Mac then before the announcement.
debroglie said:
i going to med-school as well, thankfully i have a bit more funds, as i work in a hospital now. but my next purchases must last me through medical school, can't spend 4000 on computers every year
whither Freescale
Hey, did I miss something, or has news about Freescale been lost in the noise? Will any of their future offerings make their way into Macs? Or will it be 100% Intel CPUs across-the-board by 2007?
More generally, I think Apple needs to put up a big hairy FAQ answering many of the more consumer-oriented questions that many have been arguing over in these threads. I would prefer my answers from the horse's mouth, at this point,
Hey, did I miss something, or has news about Freescale been lost in the noise? Will any of their future offerings make their way into Macs? Or will it be 100% Intel CPUs across-the-board by 2007?
More generally, I think Apple needs to put up a big hairy FAQ answering many of the more consumer-oriented questions that many have been arguing over in these threads. I would prefer my answers from the horse's mouth, at this point,
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/universal_binary/universal_binary.pdf
Page 67 et seq. detail the limitations of Rosetta. In short, it'll only run OSX apps built for the G3. No Classic apps, no G4 or G5 specific apps...
Page 67 et seq. detail the limitations of Rosetta. In short, it'll only run OSX apps built for the G3. No Classic apps, no G4 or G5 specific apps...
I'm sure someone has asked this, but I don't see any information anywhere pertaining to it...
what computers are going to be updated first? And will it really take until next year for them to get an Intel-based Mac out?
I'm worried that there won't be a company named Apple Computers in the next year. There's no way that they can survive off of iPod sales and what are now going to be slow and non-existent Mac sales over the next year unless they can get a computer out by the end of the year. I know for sure that I'm not going to buy the iBook that I wanted because it won't be worth much of anything in a few years.
what computers are going to be updated first? And will it really take until next year for them to get an Intel-based Mac out?
I'm worried that there won't be a company named Apple Computers in the next year. There's no way that they can survive off of iPod sales and what are now going to be slow and non-existent Mac sales over the next year unless they can get a computer out by the end of the year. I know for sure that I'm not going to buy the iBook that I wanted because it won't be worth much of anything in a few years.
I feel a little mixed about this. I'm all for faster computers, Apple really needs to break the 3GHz barrier and with Intel they can achieve it, even 4GHz . However I don't like the idea of Intel having a Monopoly on the computer hardware market, much like Microsoft with software.
As long it runs the Mac OS, faster and just as stable I'm all for it. All i thinking of at the moment is if i should order a Power Mac or just wait until we see Intel Processors in a Mac.
Another thing, was Apple just lying about the G5 peformace stats comapred to Intel Processors? It might just be how the OS performs with the Processor. If so this could mean a blazing fast workflow and OS!
Apart of me still feels a little let down. But I think this is the best option for Apple. My only fear is that Apple will eventually stop building hardware and just make software.
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. However I don't like the idea of Intel having a Monopoly on the computer hardware market, much like Microsoft with software. As long it runs the Mac OS, faster and just as stable I'm all for it. All i thinking of at the moment is if i should order a Power Mac or just wait until we see Intel Processors in a Mac.
Another thing, was Apple just lying about the G5 peformace stats comapred to Intel Processors? It might just be how the OS performs with the Processor. If so this could mean a blazing fast workflow and OS!
Apart of me still feels a little let down. But I think this is the best option for Apple. My only fear is that Apple will eventually stop building hardware and just make software.
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You don't think this is going to be a secret that Apple is terminating the PPC?runninmac said:
How screwed do you think the poor souls that still buys a PPC Mac will feel when they realize that their expensive PPC Mac can't run x86 apps? Do you think that customer will come back?
Additionally,some of the reports over the weekend said that Apple was keeping the door open to using AMD chips in future offerings. Steve Jobs knows how to run his companies, and be profitable doing it too. Many of these things have been well thought out, though I do believe that this is the riskiest of the moves that Steve has made through the years with Apple. Again, I'll reserve judgement until I see what comes of it. All in all ... I love my Macs and will NEVER go Windows!Brian Hickman said:
They couldn't release their computer within the actual year with no applications. They need to give time to the developers to translate their projects into Intel compatible ones...Warbrain said:
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