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Macintosh Moving to Intel Processors [Updated]
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Apple should just give in and make 10 run on Windows based machines using Windows capable hardware. I really don't care if the box is "Designed by Apple in California" I don't look at the box and it can't be upgraded very well so it just sits under my desk.
Apple should still make their own boxes and people who want to pay big bucks for the slick case will still do so. It works for B and O. At least the user base will increase for people who would like to run OSX but don't want to spend $3K to get high spec machine. Plus if the OS suported all Windows hardware then at least you would have a comparable playing field and manufacturers wouldn't have to Macify everything. <cough> X800 <cough> <cough> PCIe <cough>
Me, I'd build my own. Sure it wouldn't be slick and shiny lucite and brushed aluminum but I'd probably spend more time actual buying components for it and upgrading other parts.
If Linux can ...
Apple should still make their own boxes and people who want to pay big bucks for the slick case will still do so. It works for B and O. At least the user base will increase for people who would like to run OSX but don't want to spend $3K to get high spec machine. Plus if the OS suported all Windows hardware then at least you would have a comparable playing field and manufacturers wouldn't have to Macify everything. <cough> X800 <cough> <cough> PCIe <cough>
Me, I'd build my own. Sure it wouldn't be slick and shiny lucite and brushed aluminum but I'd probably spend more time actual buying components for it and upgrading other parts.
If Linux can ...
I am swithing back
Spent 2200 on a laptop that has no future
I can buy a higher res screen on a 1000 windows laptop
And now my PB, will have no resale value
Even after tons of mac fans said that macs have GREAT resale value
Jobs' arroagnce hurt us, and we paid $$$ for inferior chips
I cant believe I bought a 1.67 G$, a chip that JOBS knew was obsolete when he updated the PBs
But i really feel bad for the suckers who bought PM G5s recently
ugh
frustrated
at least there is ebay
I will be out while you guys stay faithful
maybe I am overreacting
Spent 2200 on a laptop that has no future
I can buy a higher res screen on a 1000 windows laptop
And now my PB, will have no resale value
Even after tons of mac fans said that macs have GREAT resale value
Jobs' arroagnce hurt us, and we paid $$$ for inferior chips
I cant believe I bought a 1.67 G$, a chip that JOBS knew was obsolete when he updated the PBs
But i really feel bad for the suckers who bought PM G5s recently
ugh
frustrated
at least there is ebay
I will be out while you guys stay faithful
maybe I am overreacting
calyxman said:EXACTLY!!!
Give it up mac diehards! Throw your friggin zealotry out the window. It's this kind of mentality that guys like me, jiggie, mav, silicon addict, and many other users have had to counter since becoming mac users. You people don't help the mac platform move forward, you'd prefer it to stay behind to satisfy your anti-MS and anti-Intel vitriolic blathering nonsense! After the utter disaster of the G5, after putting up so long with the G4 Powerbook (which by the way, indicates we'll still be seeing G4 Powerbooks throughout 2005 and 2006), why do you people still dump your blinded faith in IBM, that bloated beauracratic monster that once tried to control the personal computer industry, the "big brother" as we once remember?
I can't believe you people are still arguing about this after all the let downs from IBM. This is a HUGE step ahead for Apple. And if it had been done years ago like it should have, we'd be in a much better position today. This kind of knocks Apple off its momentum after the succesful iPod, iBook, and iMac product lines. But that's ok, Apple will get back on that horse.
Better yet, Apple is will be riding on the back of an elephant named Intel. You people don't seem to understand the the massive appeal that Intel will create for Apple with its marketing. Mac will become the hottest platform and OS X will rock Longhaul and scare the hell out of the Redmond gang!
Three years from now there will no longer be arguments about why macs are slower than PCs. No more will we have to endure the same low-expectation comments of "why do you need a fast machine?" or "isn't it fast enough already" or "as long as it does what it's supposed to do, it's fine for me." Hardware won't be an issue in other words; it all will boil down to the quality of the OS! Take a hint! You think in that aspect Microsoft even stands a chance?!
Take all your snobbish, elitist, snide, minimalist, and effete mentality and stuff down your garbage compactor. It's time for to Apple hit it big with OS X! It's time to move forward.
[breathing sigh of relief] Thank you!
Well put. I totally agree with you
At least everyone knows when we will be getting the G5 Powerbook now. Never!
You know, Apple needs to use the best possible technology paths, and unfortunately IBM was not getting the job done.
Maybe they will come back with something better later, but for now, this will have to do.
You know, Apple needs to use the best possible technology paths, and unfortunately IBM was not getting the job done.
Maybe they will come back with something better later, but for now, this will have to do.
sbb155 said:
yes you are. tell me again how G5 performance isn't worth $3k to use from now until end of year 2007? And it'll probably be a usable machine for 2 years beyond that. That's getting screwed?
If you are always thinking in terms of what else you might have had, sure it kinda sucks. But then it always does whenever you buy anything tech. If you think of it in terms of what you can accomplish, then it's still a smokin thing to spend money on.
Pepzhez said:
Sorry but your the one thats deluded if you don't think DRM is going to be hardwired into everything in the future. From cable boxes to ppc's to media players...if they aint got it they wont be invited to the money party. although...them pesky geeks will walways stop them getting away with it...completely.
So should I go ahead and buy the Dual 2 Ghz G5 that I had been planning to get for the past month? I need help making this decision... I've got $3000 (just enough to get the dual G5 and a 20" display) and if I try to hold on to it, it won't be $3000 in a year. I'd been tossing around the idea of getting a gaming PC and if the Mactel can dual boot that'd be neat, but that's so far away... What should I do?
I see this as the perfect time to buy a high end Mac. It's rare that a computer company tells you what it will do TWO years in the future. SO if I buy a tricked out G5 system today, there probably won't be anything substantially better than it for two years. Even then, all of the software will be compatible for years in the future. I figure in 5 years it'll be time to upgrade, then they'll be in the second or third generation Intel Macs. Where's the downside?
Isaac
Isaac
Did anybody else think that "hug" between the two seemed a bit forced? At the very least awkward
Anyway, watching the keynote seemed to answer most of my questions but I would still like to know if the boost some apps get with Altivec will be lost with the transition.
And I'd really love to see some benchmarks between regular and Rosetta emulated programs.
Let us hope that Apple is resiliant enough to withstand what is being reported by most news agencies as a mass exodus.
BTW, any word from Thurrott and Dvorak about this yet?
Anyway, watching the keynote seemed to answer most of my questions but I would still like to know if the boost some apps get with Altivec will be lost with the transition.
And I'd really love to see some benchmarks between regular and Rosetta emulated programs.
Let us hope that Apple is resiliant enough to withstand what is being reported by most news agencies as a mass exodus.
BTW, any word from Thurrott and Dvorak about this yet?
I think people are being a little harsh...
There are a lot of us who have concerns about this move. I have a hunch that most are like me and understand the positives and negatives of both the PPC and the x86. I think there are more than a few people on this board that are eager to adopt the new intel architecture and bash anyone who doesn't see eye-to-eye with them.
There are people here with valid concerns on both sides. It does appear that intel will be the near future for macs but don't belittle the long time users who have been indoctrinated in the idea that apple offers software different than widows and hardware different (read better) than intel.
Just give us time.
There are a lot of us who have concerns about this move. I have a hunch that most are like me and understand the positives and negatives of both the PPC and the x86. I think there are more than a few people on this board that are eager to adopt the new intel architecture and bash anyone who doesn't see eye-to-eye with them.
There are people here with valid concerns on both sides. It does appear that intel will be the near future for macs but don't belittle the long time users who have been indoctrinated in the idea that apple offers software different than widows and hardware different (read better) than intel.
Just give us time.
isaacc7 said:
I was gonna buy mine today... you think I should wait a little while to see if the price goes down? If so, how long?
I have dreamed a dream... but now that dream is gone from me.
Well, that means no new Mac for me until all this gets sorted out... Which probably means that Longhorn will be out before I get a new Mac...
And, FWIW: the "PowerBook" name came long before there were PowerPC chips inside them... The first PowerBook (the 100) had a Motorola 68000 processor...
Well, that means no new Mac for me until all this gets sorted out... Which probably means that Longhorn will be out before I get a new Mac...
And, FWIW: the "PowerBook" name came long before there were PowerPC chips inside them... The first PowerBook (the 100) had a Motorola 68000 processor...
Maybe in all the "transition" confusion, they'll do a price drop on displays too. That 30" I saw today was mighty sexy.
Sagger Pance said:
Buy it..no wait a mo... really don't know.
Air of confusion after today. Dual G5s are fast, very fast....buy a refrub, yep refurb.
leftbanke7 said:
it's funny because I was watching Pirates of Silicon Valley last week and it showed the day Bill Gates appeared on the screen at the keynote and everyone booed.
Here we are again.
Hey found this at slashdot
seems appropriate.
Well am I sad? yes, am I happy? yes.
Sad cause we are gonna be just like everyone else. RISC vs CISC war is finally over peace amongst mac and PC users.
Happy because we are gonna have some powerful machines and a huge choice of hardware.
Still gonna bash the windoze platform tho.
still gonna live my iLife, the way it should be but missing something in the middle of it all, PPC. RIP
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