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Macintosh Moving to Intel Processors [Updated]
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The real end of the MAC
I'm really sorry that Apple has choosen to go the Intel route and its not because I think there is anything wrong with the Intel processor line. I'm more concerned that this means that MAC OS will run on any Wintel box and Apple will no longer have a hardware side for computers. The fact that everyone who uses this new OS will have to have all new apps again, really scares me. It hasn't been that many years since we all had to upgrade our apps and now Apple wants us to do it again. Please don't tell me about transitioning software. Any type of emulation is always going to slow performance down. The only real solution will be new Apps. I don't think many will go that route. I think Jobs is tired of supporting hardware that he feels he can not make enough money with it. I think he feels computers have become a commodity item and he's given up the fight. MAC OS is great but its not enough for me to shell out hundreds of dollars again for apps I already own! I like everyone else wants more power and speed but if we leave Intel alone out there to be THE processor maker, I'm afraid real innovation will be lost. I may have bought my last MAC and that really saddens me.
I'm really sorry that Apple has choosen to go the Intel route and its not because I think there is anything wrong with the Intel processor line. I'm more concerned that this means that MAC OS will run on any Wintel box and Apple will no longer have a hardware side for computers. The fact that everyone who uses this new OS will have to have all new apps again, really scares me. It hasn't been that many years since we all had to upgrade our apps and now Apple wants us to do it again. Please don't tell me about transitioning software. Any type of emulation is always going to slow performance down. The only real solution will be new Apps. I don't think many will go that route. I think Jobs is tired of supporting hardware that he feels he can not make enough money with it. I think he feels computers have become a commodity item and he's given up the fight. MAC OS is great but its not enough for me to shell out hundreds of dollars again for apps I already own! I like everyone else wants more power and speed but if we leave Intel alone out there to be THE processor maker, I'm afraid real innovation will be lost. I may have bought my last MAC and that really saddens me.
Here Here!MAC-411 said:The PowerPC chip is not what makes a Mac, a "Mac" any more then the 68k chip ect.... What makes Apple computers great is the operating system -OSX, AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!
michaelal said:I'm really sorry that Apple has choosen to go the Intel route and its not because I think there is anything wrong with the Intel processor line. I'm more concerned that this means that MAC OS will run on any Wintel box and Apple will no longer have a hardware side for computers. The fact that everyone who uses this new OS will have to have all new apps again, really scares me. It hasn't been that many years since we all had to upgrade our apps and now Apple wants us to do it again. Please don't tell me about transitioning software. Any type of emulation is always going to slow performance down. The only real solution will be new Apps. I don't think many will go that route. I think Jobs is tired of supporting hardware that he feels he can not make enough money with it. I think he feels computers have become a commodity item and he's given up the fight. MAC OS is great but its not enough for me to shell out hundreds of dollars again for apps I already own! I like everyone else wants more power and speed but if we leave Intel alone out there to be THE processor maker, I'm afraid real innovation will be lost. I may have bought my last MAC and that really saddens me.
Apple is not getting out of the Hardware Business, they never will (most likely) they are just changing the CPU, as we all know the CPU is only part of it. You still have the motherboard, Ram, Video Card, PCI / or PCI-X bus etc.
sacear said:
Umm .. NO! Lenovo can use the IBM name. That doesn't mean IBM is branding it. The business was sold to Lenovo. The products are not being sold by IBM. If they are, it is similar to Best Buy selling a Dell. The retailer has no control over what chip goes into a machine. Trust me on this - the business was SOLD to Lenovo.
The PowerPC chip is not what makes a Mac, a "Mac"
The PowerPC chip is not what makes a Mac, a "Mac" any more then the 68k chip ect.... What makes Apple computers great is the operating system -OSX, AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!
The PowerPC chip is not what makes a Mac, a "Mac" any more then the 68k chip ect.... What makes Apple computers great is the operating system -OSX, AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!
Still wish they would have made a deal with AMD!MAC-411 said:The PowerPC chip is not what makes a Mac, a "Mac" any more then the 68k chip ect.... What makes Apple computers great is the operating system -OSX, AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE!
smookin'
scarletspider said:I bet there are alot of issues to work out especailly since we want the 64bit processor, Intel are being b*tches about releasing a 64bit processor. Ah the fun we all endure when dealing with intel...
Maybe I'm being a bit slow here, but I can't imagine Apple would supply SDK packs with 32 bit processors to developers developing 64 bit apps, or would they.
mandis said:This must be one of the ugliest laptops i've ever seen!!
It's a funny mix of a Powerbook and japanimation...
Why don't you have a look at HP? Their laptops might be a bit bulky but at least they are more decent. They are also famous for their quality and durability.
What the hell i've been using my Omnibook Xe2 as a home server for the last 4 years!!!!
Which one are you talking about? They're all different pics.
Bulky does not work for me. It's an absolute deal killer. With the amount of travelling I do and the amount of carrying I do, the amount of school work I need to get done on the machine (BSchool) portability is a must. Size is paramount. weight is next and battery life is the last. Throw connectivity in there - BT and WIFI and WIMAX too while I'm at it.
Those machines aren't PB 's but they're not bad compared to the bricks that Dell and HP sell. I want a MAC and I'm willing to wait a year for it. What I have now will work just fine until then. But, the day these are announced, I will be ordering one. I might be in the minority - but I would be willing to pay upto 2500 for this machine. If it can run WIN as well, I would even pay 3500. Reason being, I can use the same machine for work as well as personal use instead of having two laptops. Not to mention, as I said above, if it can run WIN, even in emuilation mode I can make a case to have it supported by the IT guys and have the company pay for it.
There is a HUGE market for this machine if done right. The number of road warriors is increasing exponentially. Tech aware students want a super portable machine that can double as a desktop replacement. Who the heck has money to buy both a laptop and a desktop anymore.
Steve, Make it and we will buy it.
I honestly don't think Apple can wait too long with the mactels, since the Mac PPC sale should be very slow right now.tdewey said:
Speed is essential right now. I think we will see the first Mactel before 2006.
I can't see any reason why not, just many reason why...
I would love to see a box like that. Apple could make it easy to handle and beautifulLynxpro said:
scarletspider said:
Why would I buy a Mactel box from Apple when I know that any Wintel box of the same processor line will work fine at half the cost with this new OS. Besides that I have to buy all new apps again.
Why?
I would really like to know why?
Tiger runs on PPC, Leopard will run on PPC, all of the current apps run on PPC, AppleCare will support PPC product for 3 years. Even new apps will most likely be written in Xcode and made into Universal Binaries. I would much rather be running PhotoShop native that emulating through Rosetta.
First Gen intels will be buggy, native software will be scarce, old software will be emulated in Rosetta and run slow. You know from experience that it takes time for Developers to ramp up new apps that take advantage of new hardware and the intel-macs won't even be available for a year. Many OS 9 developers took 3 years before they came out with a cocoa OS X version. Hell some are still using carbon.
I for one see this as a buying oportunity. That's why I doubt that sales will fall. There are a lot of people who like the G4's and G5's. Many would rather have them than the future intel macs.
tdewey said:
I would really like to know why?
Tiger runs on PPC, Leopard will run on PPC, all of the current apps run on PPC, AppleCare will support PPC product for 3 years. Even new apps will most likely be written in Xcode and made into Universal Binaries. I would much rather be running PhotoShop native that emulating through Rosetta.
First Gen intels will be buggy, native software will be scarce, old software will be emulated in Rosetta and run slow. You know from experience that it takes time for Developers to ramp up new apps that take advantage of new hardware and the intel-macs won't even be available for a year. Many OS 9 developers took 3 years before they came out with a cocoa OS X version. Hell some are still using carbon.
I for one see this as a buying oportunity. That's why I doubt that sales will fall. There are a lot of people who like the G4's and G5's. Many would rather have them than the future intel macs.
Take a look at this: http://centerstageproject.com/Dr.Gargoyle said:
And, come on people. It's been 24 hours. Stop with the doom and gloom already.
Thye may not make up a large segment, but a dman important one...hoppo99 said:
Profs use mac implies that students have to use macs to run mac specific apps. Student that uses macs at univ. are likely to use macs after their studies too. This entails macs in business and home. The dynamical effects shouldn't be disregarded.
With interface I meant. When you have a app that does the calculation you need there is no reason to upgrade just to get a flashy UI.
Not to worry. The Dell will still be a POS because it'll ship with Windoze (not to mention at least a dozen other reasons). The Mac will still be great because it'll runs virus free OSX which is superior to Windoze in every way, come with a suite of great applications that you won't have to pay extra for if you want to still use them after 30 days, it'll be elegant, and it'll work seamlessly.davetrow1997 said:
My personal belief is that it will go much quicker. Jobs just want to prevent another 3 gHz debaclefatfish said:
michaelal said:Why would I buy a Mactel box from Apple when I know that any Wintel box of the same processor line will work fine at half the cost with this new OS. Besides that I have to buy all new apps again.
UGH! Apple has already made it clear that they will only have Mac OS X for Intel running on Mactels! Dells and HP's will not be able to run this OS, remember that there is much more involved in a computer system than just the processor! With a custom chipset or other implementation, Apple could keep their investment from running on clones like what happened on IBM, besides, in today's world, the legal fists would start flying...
digitalbiker said:tdewey said:
I don't know if I agree with all of that. There is no point in bumping the PB's with the same PPC chip. The huge drawback of PPC is in the laptop line. As a result the best advantage for the new Intel chips is in the laptop line. Workstations won't b e as sensitive or see as much of a a difference in design or performance with the change. The dramatic change will be by putting a blazing fast chip in the powerbook with a supercool design that is also light. Much sexier than the MINI. The MINI might be upgraded at the same time or a little later. Apple's immmediate goal is going to be to placate the Mac loyalists and a new PB will do that.
I mean, lets say they put a new chip in the MINI and release it. What is going to be fundamentally different? Can they make the size smaller? or make apps run faster? The typical MINI buyer is a fella checking email or browing the web or playing with iphoto right? I don't think that market will see or perceive a difference in the chip.
Powerbooks is where it's at.
I do agree that there is one huge update coming in the PPC line. My gut says is that it will be in the high end PowerMac line. The desktops will likely be the last models to switch. Not to mention, the die hard users who will reall care about the whole architechture and chip change are probably PowerMac users. Normal people will pick it up knowing that it will work for 3 years and the update is at least a few cycles away. Hardcore users or scientists will pick it up to hoard it and make sure that they get thelast real MAC before the internal changes.
COuld be wrong but that's what I think. (plus i really really want a sexy ultra portable powerbook.
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