Another reason why I am loathe to upgrade to Ventura. Bug city. I'm waiting on at least 13.4 and I might end up skipping Ventura altogether. Ventura has also created problems with Serato... crashing with certain DJ controllers. Staying FAR AWAY from Ventura...
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macOS 13.2 Breaks Compatibility With Pioneer's CD/DVD Drives [Updated]
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That's what makes me think it's a mistake. Otherwise Apple would be looking at an antitrust issue if they start disabling the use of third-party accessories.
I hope it's a mistake. I have a Pioneer Blu-Ray USB drive and I don't think there are any other options to access those discs. In fact, I'm hoping they'll come out with a 4K UHD BluRay drive one of these days. Physical media may be on the wane, but it isn't dead. At some point they stopped even making floppy discs, but blu-rays and UHD discs are still very much available and in use.
And if you do a podcast or make Youtube videos on film comment/criticism and sometimes need to use a 5-second clip as part of your lecture, which is totally legal under Fair Use laws, having the ability to do so is vital. I know Apple does a lot of "courage" nonsense to push people to re-buying things and investing in ever-disposable hardware, but it would be a big problem for them to cut off a still-viable technology from their computers. People would just go back to taking years to update their OS's and not risk it.
I'm typing this on an iMac that's still running Mojave because the version of Avid Media Composer I and most of my employers still use is incompatible with all later OS's. Apple just shoots themselves in the foot when they make it so anyone running a business has to avoid updating their OS or buying new machines.
It was implied the person addressed in that letter moved from *somewhere* to Canada. Previously available content was no longer available. If you can confirm that the person always lived in Canada and bought the content in Canada, then it was removed - then I stand corrected.
If they pull it, it does not stay in your collection unless you have downloaded it. Yes, you keep the download, but only on the machine you downloaded it on. It is no longer in your account online with other devices.
And no, they do not refund you. They make it clear in their TOS that you are only licensing the product as long as they carry it, not buying it forever, thus it can be rescinded anytime they want. It happens frequently, actually. Rights issues, a new owner buys the original library the film came from, music disputes, etc.
Physical media is still far superior a format for movies you care about. Streaming is useful and convenient, and I use it, but it's disposable.
Is that that Superdrive they made when the MacBook Air debuted?
Yes, I also inferred that. But Apple's response wasn't specific to the fact that they'd moved there, it related to the fact the content had been removed. Again, look at their wording. It doesn't say that the content was no longer available to them because it had never been available in Canada, it said it had been removed from the Canadian store.
Also, in a similar vein, take a look at this from Apple's Music support docs:
If a song is greyed out
If you see No Longer Available next to a song that's greyed out, the song was added from Apple Music and was removed from the Apple Music catalogue.
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Ad long as you can't copy or reformat that content but only play it back in a proprietary software-player with DRM: no, you don't.
I can confirm my Zip drive still works
I don't know about movies, but I've definitely had songs that I downloaded from Apple Music disappear from my library (likely due to content licensing agreements having expired).
Personally I don't consider anything with DRM to be owned and refuse to buy DRM content. I think Apple Music (and similar services) is great for casual listening and "try before you buy", but if I really like an album, I still buy it. These days I prefer to buy DRM-free lossless downloads from sites like Bleep, BoomKat, Bandcamp, etc, but I occasionally buy CDs to rip as well. Same goes for movies. I actually have a Pioneer Bluray drive that I use for ripping with my Intel Mini running Windows as Windows Bluray rippers are much better.
The only way to know that your content is 100% yours is to not buy anything with DRM. Otherwise you never know when some contract will expire and you'll lose access to your content.
I built a close to top-spec $4000 DIY PC over the course of the pandemic. I might use the optical drives more than any other piece of hardware in that build.
Don’t assume everyone’s needs match your own.
LOL, where have you been lately? I got a brand new LP for Xmas, they still make those you know. And CDs, OMG, there are people with libraries in the thousands of discs. Making them "obsolete" would just not work. There has been no replacement for the CD (well BD-Audio perhaps) so the CD is still the gold standard for Audio distribution.
Just becuase most people have regressed to the MP3 era with the streaming it does not mean CD is dead, or LP, or even MC!
You would THINK, Pioneer would be testing Beta versions of MacOS and would have detected and corrected this problem before the new MacOS was released.
But no. That is not how it works. They likely disbanded the team that designed the DVD product and have not done any testing since it was released to manufacturing. Those engineers are now working on the latest laundry machines or microwave ovens.
Or worse, Pioneer contracted the design of the DVD drive so some consultants in India and no longer have a contract with them.
But no. That is not how it works. They likely disbanded the team that designed the DVD product and have not done any testing since it was released to manufacturing. Those engineers are now working on the latest laundry machines or microwave ovens.
Or worse, Pioneer contracted the design of the DVD drive so some consultants in India and no longer have a contract with them.
None of this matters, because Pioneer made sure their drives adhered to enough of a standard that they didn't even require a driver outside of any major OS to run, and they ensured that those drives were working properly prior to selling them to the public.
Apple is 100% to blame here, however responses like yours illustrates the bigger problem - Apple can do this without consequence, because their most loyal customers will just repeat to each other that it is someone other than Apple's fault, and then continue to throw money Apple's way, only to continue to be treated like second-class citizens.
So really, the fault is neither Apple's nor Pioneer's. It's yours.
How could they correct it since it's a bug in MacOS? Apple still has to fix it no matter who noticed it first.
Yep, I regularly connect a DVD drive to my Mac. I've gone back to buying physical music then ripping it and syncing it locally with my iPhone for music on the move.
Streaming and Digital I now have zero trust in. For example a 3 CD compilation album I really liked and had for years a mate borrowed and it got damaged, so I thought at the time I will just buy it on iTunes. It is on there, but my favourite track is missing, just 1 track on the whole album. So I just bought another on eBay dirt cheap. I also have several albums that are not even on Spotify or iTunes/Apple Music. Having also seen others say tracks just disappear or Apple lose rights to have films/tv shows on iTunes I'm not buying digital anymore. I'm even buying DVDs/Bluerays again, ripping them and putting on my own Plex server. I get the convenience off Digital but I still own it, it is mine, and cannot be snatched from me. The Pioneer drive is one I use for ripping Blurays.
For those who might still think (understandably) that the precarious issues with digital ownership only plague people who move to a different country, here's some more info on it -
www.forbes.com
And a few gems from this article -
"A US Resident tells me he bought Valerian, but then the movie apparently changed studio ownership resulting in the film being removed from his account. And the only way to get it back was to rebuy the same film again at full price."
"A Canadian contact says he purchased seasons 1-4 of The Americans as a package deal, then season 5 separately. But the series was then removed from iTunes and replaced with a season's 1-5 package, which leads to him no longer being able to access the 1-4 package."
"A New Yorker told me he has had movies disappear from iTunes, some of which reappeared on the store 6 months later, but in a different edition requiring a new purchase. He was offered three free rentals and told he should download his movies ‘as the studios can remove them’."
"Another US user tells me he has lost films on multiple occasions, and that he has been told essentially that Apple has changed/upgraded/removed them and there is nothing they can do."
"Two US iTunes users have both told me that their purchases of Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America were recently downgraded to ‘no iTunes Extra’ versions."
Digital ownership is not ownership. It's just a license rental.
Apple Responds To Disappearing iTunes Movie Purchases Issue
It’s complicated. Very complicated.
www.forbes.com
And a few gems from this article -
"A US Resident tells me he bought Valerian, but then the movie apparently changed studio ownership resulting in the film being removed from his account. And the only way to get it back was to rebuy the same film again at full price."
"A Canadian contact says he purchased seasons 1-4 of The Americans as a package deal, then season 5 separately. But the series was then removed from iTunes and replaced with a season's 1-5 package, which leads to him no longer being able to access the 1-4 package."
"A New Yorker told me he has had movies disappear from iTunes, some of which reappeared on the store 6 months later, but in a different edition requiring a new purchase. He was offered three free rentals and told he should download his movies ‘as the studios can remove them’."
"Another US user tells me he has lost films on multiple occasions, and that he has been told essentially that Apple has changed/upgraded/removed them and there is nothing they can do."
"Two US iTunes users have both told me that their purchases of Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America were recently downgraded to ‘no iTunes Extra’ versions."
Digital ownership is not ownership. It's just a license rental.
There was last time I checked. USB floppy drives work fine.
This made me curious so I dug out my Apple USB SuperDrive (MD564LL/A) and tested it: it works with my M1 MacBook Air running macOS 13.2. (connected via an Apple USB-C to USB Adapter (MJ1M2AM/A))
Man some of these comments are depressing! I work in physical media and I need to a blu ray player to qc our releases!
it’s such a shame to read that many of you don’t value the product!
it’s such a shame to read that many of you don’t value the product!
So does my drive. Used it today to burn discs for my old PowerBook.
How can we be certain of this if most other drives still work just fine in 13.2, even many Pioneer drives?
