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they need to stop changing stuff like this every year. this is not "innovation". it's just re-arranging the furniture willy nilly with zero improvement.
Considering the criticism with system settings layout changed done with Ventura is UI changes to make it easier for users to quickly get to frequently-accessed settings within system settings a bad move after seeing how its worked for the last 2 years?

Probably took Apple too long to determine it needed better grouping/organization then its currently offers. Sonoma only changed system settings slightly. Guess we shall see if its any better in 17 days. ;)
 
In Tim Cook's Apple, it's all about maximizing shareholder value. Everything else can wait.
Anything you can pitch as desirable new hardware or software wise is appealing to both consumers and shareholders. It just that hardware that doesn't have the most modern operating system is viewed as a negative.

So how would it be logical to claim Apple can just wait to maximize shareholder value? :p
 
I hope they actually do a good job. Fingers crossed

Over the past several years, Every change Apple’s made to the Mac interface has been worse than what came before. I have no confidence in their UI team but I’d love to be proven wrong
 
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Settings are one of the worst part of iOS. There are now way too many. Settings used to be a lot simpler back in the iOS 9 days. Now It’s dizzying. Whatever they do its sure to confuse us all over again. Not looking forward to mucking around in an alien settings interface once again.

It’s weird — they can’t even get settings to be nice.
I think one of the biggest mistakes was putting every single app’s setting in system settings. It doesn’t even make sense if it’s supposed to be system settings

My list of settings is so long it’s crazy. It would already be too long without the apps’ settings in there
 
I think one of the biggest mistakes was putting every single app’s setting in system settings. It doesn’t even make sense if it’s supposed to be system settings

My list of settings is so long it’s crazy. It would already be too long without the apps’ settings in there
MacOS all the applications have their own settings. They are not in system settings. That is what makes MacOS so different then iOS. Thats the same for all IOS derivatives such as iPadOS, tvOS, and likely VisionOS. ;)
 
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What Apple had in Big Sur and Monterey was fine… they ‘innovated’ themselves into a corner with Ventura. I for one hope they bring back what we had before… and please bring back the ability to rearrange the icons and let us sort by category or alphabetically. The haphazard mess that we have is unacceptable from the same company that produces the wonderful M4 and Tandem OLEDs. Let’s go Apple!
Teams are always under pressure to change, it is unfortunate.
please don't change something that is not broken.
People get used to knwing where all the settings are and then they re arrange them in few years.
 
In my view this has all come about following Apple's adoption of an annual release cycle for MacOS. If you don't release "150+ new features?" or "the largest update to OS X!" each year, you surely cannot be "innovating"!

This has created, at least for me, the following significant problems:
  • For me, the Mac is a tool to perform work. The OS is simply a framework to enable me to perform that work. Simplicity of the OS is key. Every time something changes or moves in the OS, your brain has to expend energy to learn that change. Your brain can only process so much in a day, which means less energy to use on your actual work. That's not to say Apple shouldn't make changes, but the changes need to be worth it.
  • We get changes for the sake of changes. In several instances, those changes have been reversed in a later annual release.
    • If your Apple boss tells you to introduce 10 new changes, and you're struggling to think of any, of course there will be pressure to recycle something from iOS!
    • For Mac OS System Settings - it is beyond me why someone thought it appropriate to copy UI from a handheld device with portrait screen 3 inches wide, to a non-handheld computer with landscape screen at minimum 11.5 inches wide.
  • Compatibility. Given all the annual changes, developers need to perform testing to ensure their app works in the new OS.
    • For apps made by small developers, particularly where the developer makes one app then moves onto another, this represents a lot of work. I have a few such apps where the developer has made a fantastic app, but it now doesn't work because the developer doesn't have time to keep up with annual revisions.
    • For apps made by large companies, this justifies the subscription model. If you don't keep paying, the software gets deprecated. Eg TechTool Pro.
  • A focus on appearance and cosmetics, rather than performance. It's much easier for Apple to market something you can see ("oh look at the nice shiny reflections on the calculator app buttons!") than something you cannot physically see (eg improving performance, streamlining code etc).
  • Changes are often rushed, clearly to meet the release cycle deadline. This leads to bugs in the changes, and in other parts of the OS.
    • I used to be able to leave my Mac on for 2 months without a restart. Currently it crashes once a week on OS 14.5.
    • The new OS releases are too unstable on initial release. You have to wait until X.1 or, sometimes to be safe, X.2.
  • Bloating. The OS taking up more and more space.
Would much rather just see Apple iron out the problems with Mail and Photos (and revert to non-iOS system prefs).
 
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The Notifications and Sound categories in System Settings will be moved lower in the list,
Of course Notifications will be moved lower! Apple and their app advertisers don't want users to be able to easily disable Notifications! Hiding it will yield a certain percentage of users who will "give up" and leave the Notifications enabled. More engagement, more $$.
 
Or the ripple effect flowing through the scroll and progress bars. We really lost a lot. I wish they could have found some middle ground between the current static flat interface and the original effects Aqua had.
I literally in my daily rss viewing just saw a post about the history of rich text on the Mac, and it had a screenshot of TextEdit from the Aqua days. I thought, man look at how beautiful those scroll bars are… then like 2 minutes later I check my MR updates and Boom, you say the same thing.
 
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MacOS all the applications have their own settings. They are not in system settings. That is what makes MacOS so different then iOS. Thats the same for all IOS derivatives such as iPadOS, tvOS, and likely VisionOS. ;)
Yeah I was talking about iOS 😀
 
I love how the new system setting manages to take what used to be distributed in 2D to a single dimension so it can only display a subset of the original at any one time into a long scrolling list.

Also, the way they rearranged things to be deeply nested in areas that are avant-garde to say the least, breaking expectations.

If they could just shuffle that arrangement with each new release so you can never gain a muscle memory they will truly have brought us artistic integrity ignoring such petty things as “form”, “function”, and “utility”.
 
Who remembers when Apple made software design that made it easier to use a computer?

iu
 
—enough with always opening to "Appearance pane"

just PLEASE let us go directly to "last pref pane opened" in system pref - or better yet , let the user 'select' the default Setting Pane window. The Appearance Pane is one of the least helpful 'day to day' settings, just make the General pane the default
 
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In my view this has all come about following Apple's adoption of an annual release cycle for MacOS. If you don't release "150+ new features?" or "the largest update to OS X!" each year, you surely cannot be "innovating"!

This has created, at least for me, the following significant problems:
  • For me, the Mac is a tool to perform work. The OS is simply a framework to enable me to perform that work. Simplicity of the OS is key. Every time something changes or moves in the OS, your brain has to expend energy to learn that change. Your brain can only process so much in a day, which means less energy to use on your actual work. That's not to say Apple shouldn't make changes, but the changes need to be worth it.
  • We get changes for the sake of changes. In several instances, those changes have been reversed in a later annual release.
    • If your Apple boss tells you to introduce 10 new changes, and you're struggling to think of any, of course there will be pressure to recycle something from iOS!
    • For Mac OS System Settings - it is beyond me why someone thought it appropriate to copy UI from a handheld device with portrait screen 3 inches wide, to a non-handheld computer with landscape screen at minimum 11.5 inches wide.
  • Compatibility. Given all the annual changes, developers need to perform testing to ensure their app works in the new OS.
    • For apps made by small developers, particularly where the developer makes one app then moves onto another, this represents a lot of work. I have a few such apps where the developer has made a fantastic app, but it now doesn't work because the developer doesn't have time to keep up with annual revisions.
    • For apps made by large companies, this justifies the subscription model. If you don't keep paying, the software gets deprecated. Eg TechTool Pro.
  • A focus on appearance and cosmetics, rather than performance. It's much easier for Apple to market something you can see ("oh look at the nice shiny reflections on the calculator app buttons!") than something you cannot physically see (eg improving performance, streamlining code etc).
  • Changes are often rushed, clearly to meet the release cycle deadline. This leads to bugs in the changes, and in other parts of the OS.
    • I used to be able to leave my Mac on for 2 months without a restart. Currently it crashes once a week on OS 14.5.
    • The new OS releases are too unstable on initial release. You have to wait until X.1 or, sometimes to be safe, X.2.
  • Bloating. The OS taking up more and more space.
Would much rather just see Apple iron out the problems with Mail and Photos (and revert to non-iOS system prefs).
I reboot mine when Software Update tells me to. Otherwise they're always on. Not had a single crash.
What you got plugged in to it?
 
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—enough with always opening to "Appearance pane"

just PLEASE let us go directly to "last pref pane opened" in system pref - or better yet , let the user 'select' the default Setting Pane window. The Appearance Pane is one of the least helpful 'day to day' settings, just make the General pane the default
Why not just let us arrange the icons in the Control Panel any way we want?
 
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