The “ui annoyances” are major for me. It is the very first time I have not upgraded my Mac to the latest OS version. I got started on System 3.0 .
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macOS 27 Will Mark the End of an Era
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Thanks, presumably this article, so macOS28 not macOS27.
MacOS27 will not support Intel but will still have Rosetta 2
MacOS28 will not support Rosetta 2.
MacHeritage
macrumors 6502a
That was forced on them by IBM, since they would not renew their contract for the software. Apple didn't want to end it at the time.
Starfia
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bigpoppa
macrumors 6502
Been dead. I was a big fan and ran hackintoshes for almost 15 years until the Mac Mini M4 came out. It was the easiest decision I’ve ever made.
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GeForce now is a good solution. If you have a decent fibre connection it’s like playing the game locally.
icolove
macrumors regular
This is a ridiculous move. There are so many x86 MacPro's out there configured with high end components that blow away any of Apple's ARM chips. So many businesses running iMac's and such with sepcialize software for certain industries and have to have the latest security updates. Apple is already bad enough at patching things.
They're nothing more than a consumer electronics company now, professional applications and userbase don't matter anymore.
What a cash grabbing scammy company.
They're nothing more than a consumer electronics company now, professional applications and userbase don't matter anymore.
What a cash grabbing scammy company.
No there is not actually
The cheapest m4 Mac mini can run circles around nearly any Intel Mac in existence
I really don't think it's about speed, or even binary size (which would shrink, but probably not significantly vs. other bloat). I suspect that it's mainly about not needing to maintain and test everything across an ever-increasing number of permutations of platform.
Being optimistic, maybe this will free up developer resources to do a Snow Leopard-style clean and polish. Or maybe Apple will just trouser any savings. We'll see.
Well, at least they won't have to maintain and test TouchBar support on both M1 and x86/T2 any more...
Remember, nearly every new release of MacOS drops support for some older Mac models, regardless of processor types - this seems random but is likely due to some specific component becoming harder to support. if Apple wanted to drop support for the touchbar they could drop those few models without throwing out the entire M1 range.
Indeed - unfortunately my emergency Windows XP system is a virtual machine on my "old" Intel Mac 🙂 - still, it's not like Timmy is going to send the boys round to take that off me... and anything that old will probably run under UTM on Apple Silicon.
To be fair, Microsoft only finally cut off all 16-bit Windows/DOS compatibility when they finally dropped the 32 bit edition of Windows 10 - which wasn't EOL'd until last year. That would be like expecting Sequoia to still support "Classic" mode. Of course, Windows hasn't gone through so many "big bang" total architecture changes as Mac - while the current AMD64 ISA may have changed beyond recognition compared with 8086, that's been a step-by-step process with backwards compatibility baked in at each stage.
However, that "compatibility" was always very much "do you feel lucky" and "if it breaks you get to keep both halves" - possibly Apple have higher standards and are happier to drop support rather than leave stuff unmaintained. Plus, it's very much up to individual hardware and software vendors to keep compatibility with older systems - they ignore legacy Windows at their peril, but legacy MacOS support is a bit more optional.
Profit is the basis of any commercial company, no? Keep the shareholders happy first, last and every position in between. I have no idea why ordinary people ever pinned their colours to Apple's mast. It's not like it was ever a charity or focused on curing cancer etc. You like the product, you buy it or look elswhere to meet your immediate needs. Apple was never going to hold your hand, guide you through life and look after you. It's just one of many businesses and, for now, is doing very well for itself.
throAU
macrumors G4
M series prior to M5 are missing a bunch of great new security features in hardware, so you can be sure that apple will be deprecating M1-M4 in due course after 7 years or so just like the current intel machines going EOL.
The cheapest M4 Mac Mini is limited to 16GB. That's its immediate bottleneck and it cannot compete with the last Intel Mac Pro, which can have an inordinate amount of RAM shoved into it and can accommodate third party gpus. Even my lowly 2013 Trashcan can beat my base M4 Mini on RAM dependent tasks.
I think its more realistic to look at when the last Intel models were discontinued - i.e. when is the latest you could have bought one as new - and compare with when support for the last compatible OS will end.
In many countries - Apple are required to provide some support in the case of proven manufacturing defects for 5-6 years after sale - and while this doesn't directly relate to software, it's hard to provide any support if there isn't a valid version of the OS to re-install. Thats the basis of the vintage/obsolete system. OTOH, Apple are under no obligation whatsoever to provide you with new features unless they were promised at the time of purchase.
The Intel Mac Pro was only discontinued in 2023 and the Intel 27" iMacs in 2022. They're still supported by Tahoe which - on past performance - will still get security updates until at least mid-2028 (c.f. Ventura, 2022-2025). So, that's worst-case 5 years of OS support - which is a bit minimal - after which it's fingers-crossed that no dealbreaking software fault or incompatibility comes along.
Even when Apple drops support it's not necessarily landfill time - just keep an eye out for security risks. Apple sometimes releases "late" updates for things like compatibility with services or newer iPhones.
Still - 5 years for a $7000 Mac Pro isn't particularly wonderful, even by Apple standards...
What Apple could/should do is declare either Tahoe or Sequoia as "long term support" and promise security updates for an extra couple of years. Frankly, it would be a good idea to do a "long term support" release every 3-4 years anyway but this would be particularly appropriate for the last Intel version.
fireguy286
macrumors 6502a
The question is, will Intel/Tahoe Macs still get some level of critical security updates for a bit? There's quite a few still out there running.
Happy_John
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Yeas, that’s a pretty sensible compromise- extended long term security updates and basic support for these last gen intel machines, esp the Mac Pro 7,1. Security updates for the Mac Pro until 2030 wild cover the “spirit” of long term support for a machine of this price.
Well, Apple shouldn’t have dropped powerpc.
throAU
macrumors G4
Find better from any other vendor?
It doesn't matter how high end your machine is, if it is old, it is on an old base architecture and support for new things is non-existent.
Nvidia for example cuts off support for 80 class GPUs in a generation at the same time as 60 class.
It's not always about whether you miss it or not.
For me this will mark at least a partial shift away from the Mac platform which is a shame as I like the MacOS. There are lots of industrial machines that require Windows and for work machines at least I'm i this boat.
Oh and before you say it, no, a Virtual machine will not suffice. Drivers for everything are not available on Windows ARM and Mac software is and will continue to be MIA as far as this sector is concerned.
throAU
macrumors G4
If its that legacy, consider running x86 windows on Apple Silicon via UTM and see if it works.
Apple provides security updates for older macOS versions for about two years, give or take. At least, that's been my experience.
CATiNTHESTORE
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I have no idea why ppl complaining about it, M1 cheap was released in November 2020.
The transition period is more than six years, what is the problem? Sometimes ppl are so delusional
The transition period is more than six years, what is the problem? Sometimes ppl are so delusional
That's interesting thanks, never heard of that. Dunno if it will work as if the ARM versions of drivers aren't available then I'm still at square 1.
Not sure it'll be acceptable for the business, (Parallels is and is certified), but it's worth asking.
Cheers.