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I am not a "fanboy" but just don't come on this forum moaning moaning moaning about Apple
If you can't find one thing to complain about then you're a fanboy.
There are plenty of things about the way Apple does things to complain about and they're growing all the time
 
Late 2013 MBP here.,15.4', 2.6 Ghz, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD. Installation, no problems. Boots quickly. Is noticeably faster, and battery life is noticeably longer.

I'm a happy camper.
 
If you can't find one thing to complain about then you're a fanboy.
There are plenty of things about the way Apple does things to complain about and they're growing all the time

Exactly. I have a photography robot that’s still running on a bondi blue Mac because Apple doesn’t offer any way to run PowerPC code on a modern machine. I’m not replacing the robot because it costs far more than any other component and Apple doesn’t seem to care that people still use legacy software. And no, I can’t wait for a developer who left the market to update software that doesn’t have any issues.

I’d love to upgrade it so I can streamline the workflow. But I’m stuck buying a used macs if this one ever dies.
 
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Out of curiosity what is Apples policy if a software update permanently bricks an out of warranty device?
I don't think there's ever been a policy because in the software update agreement it states that you are installing at your own risk. Most people ignore the agreement and just click the OK button proceed with the install. I don't recall any major news of anyone's Mac permanently bricking due to a software update from Apple.
 
No, I haven't. Want to trade for my old machine?
I’m still waiting on a reasonable Mac Pro. I’ve owned every PowerMac and Mac Pro since day 1 and Apple’s displays. This is the first time I haven’t bought a new Mac right at launch. Updated my 12-Core 2012 Mac Pro with genuine Apple parts (WiFiac+BTLE4, USB-C, USB 3.x, SSD SATA III Boot PCIe, SATA III internal drives, Sapphire Radeon PULSE GPU) and have a 2013 Mac Pro since 2014. I just can’t reason the $6000 base price tag. I could buy a $3-4k base Mac Pro and upgrade it for a fraction of the costs but now it’s ridiculous.

I have 5 5K displays and an iMac Pro nor Mac mini won‘t cut it for me. Still chugging along hoping Apple releases the rumored mid tower Mac Pro in the works.

Don’t get me started on a $6k display that even Pro’s don’t use.
 
Xbox One Series X is based on Windows 10, with all next gen games adapted for it, those who work with Photo, Video Editing, Vectors, ... would get far better video support on Windows 10 than MacOS next years // Windows Operating System is getting really solid, MaciOS can stick to tablets and phones, still better than Android, no doubt.
Just you try telling Windows 10 users who’s systems crapped out because of release 2004, and those who are having application issues due to TPM issues with the way windows wants to handle passwords. Just because you have no issues with a product doesn’t make it flawless. Based on that I would say that macos is flawless because I have had no issues with it. However as I work in IT I have seen issues with thousands of devices both Mac and Windows to know that each update brings a slew of issues, especially this year (20H2 is already causing issues in our test systems). Both Microsoft and Apple have hit some huge own goals.
 
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I don't think there's ever been a policy because in the software update agreement it states that you are installing at your own risk. Most people ignore the agreement and just click the OK button proceed with the install. I don't recall any major news of anyone's Mac permanently bricking due to a software update from Apple.
Yes but if there’s a widespread issue and they can’t fix it via software they’ll probably do something.
 
This is what upgrading Apple OS has been like. Could be that Big Sur is a mess, but everything I'm reading I've experienced in the last year while trying to install Mac OS. I think it's related to Apples own permissions system, the App Store, and security. They have a problem.

Even on older system software, running the security updates has caused me issues on restarts that cause me to have to restart like 4 times to get normal behavior.

Also... Is this permanently bricking and resulting in the Apple store replacing units? Or are they just fixing the installs and they're not really bricked?
 
That is easy to do when apple doesn't use the fastest Intel parts.
Uh no because even if Apple used year old Intel processors the speed claims they made would still be valid. Apple is saying the M1 is up to 9X more powerful on the MacBook Air. It's not like Intel's latest processors are even 9X faster than the ones they made for MacBook Air 3 years ago.
 
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Yes but if there’s a widespread issue and they can’t fix it via software they’ll probably do something.
No doubt Apple will help people get their computer running but their software policy clearly states it's at the uses risk installing it. They are not going to replace someone's computer. Let's be real about it. You can't expect a company to do the right thing if the consumer is going to do the wrong thing. So far based on the comments here it's hardly a widespread problem. Many people have installed Big Sur without issues.
 
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I doubt it, you have a 7 year old machine. Things will eventually slow down/not be as well-optimized no matter how you spin it.
My unsupported Mac Mini disagrees, it runs BS as fast as as Catalina.
The only thing which did not run OOTB was Wifi, a short terminal command installs the former Kext, solved.
2012 Mac Mini i5 16 GB Samsung Pro SSD
 
I waited months before installing Mojave, I decided to install this one right away because Mojave didn't seem that stable.

The problem with Mojave is the longer you use it the more it bloats, the more it lags then bugs show up.

If Big Sur is lagging for people right out of the gate that's scary.
 
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“My house is on fire.”
”Explain fire? My house isn’t burning.”


How are these types of responses helpful to anyone?
Just out of curiosity how it helpful either way if someone says their computer isn't running vs. someone saying their computer IS working fine?
 
No doubt Apple will help people get their computer running but their software policy clearly states it's at the uses risk installing it. They are not going to replace someone's computer. Let's be real about it. You can't expect a company to do the right thing if the consumer is going to do the wrong thing. So far based on the comments here it's hardly a widespread problem. Many people have installed Big Sur without issues.
I doubt the computers will be permanentlay bricked, but if they are, and all users did was install a software update that was supported, I do think Apple will do something.
 
I don't like the way Apple forces the user to sign onto iCloud. I didn't want it, yet I allowed them to cajole me to do 2 factor authorization, which I didn't want either. Then I turn on my iPhone and I can't use it unless I add the code on my computer-what if I'm not home? I read up on how to turn it off and I did but why does Apple insist on using that plus iCloud?
I can't get the red mark on System Preferences to go away. Apple is trying to force me to go back to 2 factor authorization and I don't freaking want it!
Apple-you are becoming more arrogant and creepy than Microsoft ever was.
You don't like that they don't force you to log into iCloud? Hm, ok, don't log into iCloud.

What did you add to your iPhone that you can't use it without authorization from your computer? That sounds interesting, it's certainly not something that comes with the phone or with the computer.
 
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I was using beta for my late 2015 iMac. Slow as a snail. I restore the original OS and the speed is back to normal. I had been sending feedback back to Apple but no getting any acknowledgement. I think Apple is using the same tactic as iOS. Slowing down Mac to make people buy newer model.
 
The person who says their computer is not working may be the beneficiary of helpful forum users who may offer advice, diagnostics, etc.
Yeah I got that part but at the same time when only negative comments are posted it paints an unrealistic picture leading people to think the issues are widespread. If a few people are having issues it's just as helpful for others without issues to speak up. This helps the people having issues try to narrow down the issue which might be on their own part.
 
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