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Late 2013 MPB updated with no issues from latest Catalina for me. Running smooth and fine as well. Considering it is the oldest supported MBP it is very impressive already and should only get better with updates, also I am hoping for next years OS to be supported as well.
 
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Never update straight away as there are always bugs.
I just updated my mid-2013 MacBook Air and I haven't found any bugs so far (which is surprising, since macOS is usually the buggiest of all of Apple's OS platforms). It didn't brick the machine either, as it did with the MacBook pros from the same year. The only headache for me was that, since I inherited the machine from a relative, it had a boot camp windows partition and I finally had to kill it because I needed some of that space for the update (unfortunately, Apple doesn't support resizing the boot camp partition and I didn't want to risk messing up the macOS partition if I tried to resize the boot camp partition from within windows). The person who set up boot camp had assigned too much space to the windows partition and too little to the main macOS partition, and since the Big Sur update was a huge file (just over 12 GB) and it required even more free space to install (about another 28 GB), I had no choice but to kill the windows partition. Not a painful loss since I really hadn't used it in the two years I've had the Mac, and no data loss since my relatives had left no personal data there either (I did boot into windows back in its day a couple of times to be sure of that) but it was still something of a headache.
 
What do you want Jimmy, wait few months and get a new PC with AMD 6800 XT, 32-64GB DDR4 RAM? or get a new shinny Apple Mac ARM computer with no professional software for it (apart from your phone apps), without cpu virtualization extensions and a GPU that dreams to reach those 20 teraflops?

did I mention the price is the same?
You can still run professional software on these, it's just run in emulation and compiled on first launch, about 20 sec. Then after that it runs at same speed as it did before on the Intel machines. But, most developers will bring updates soon, as they have been working on this since the summer.
 
I let it do its thing, more than 10 restarts and it finally worked.
It downloaded stuff while on a black screen.

macbook pro 12 late 2013
Is your mac running normal now? How is the performance, sluggish?
 
I have a mid 2014 MacBook Pro and will it not boot with Apple Cinema Display connected. Does not make it to the Apple Logo screen. Boots fine not connected and display works fine after boot. I've filed a bug report. I've tried all the typical things SMC, PRAM.
 
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I was skeptical about updating to Big Sur (which I’ve been calling Bug Slur for months now). However, I went ahead and updated my 2020 MacBook Pro (with the 10th generation Intel CPU). So far, I’m impressed. I didn’t like the UI changes in the beginning, but they are growing on me. Altogether, it seems that the UI is more fluid, and it makes me feel good simply to interact with the UI - it’s very polished and a pleasure to use. It also seems to me that my MacBook Pro is much faster with the apps I’ve been using before. Especially, Safari seems to be much snappier. 😂

I am, however, apprehensive about installing it on my late 2014 5K iMac running an upgraded Fusion Drive that consists of two SSDs. It works nicely in Catalina, but I’m afraid the Fusion Drive may croak in Big Slur or something else will brick the iMac. I know if this were to happen, I would be staying in a dog house. So, is anyone having any issues after upgrading the 2014 5K iMac to Big Slur?
 
I upgraded my late 2013 13” MBP just before I read this. No issues here. I did free up a heap of disk space & run parallels toolbox to clean the caches & temp files etc + do a backup beforehand. All good so far touch wood.
Likewise on my mid-2013 MacBook Air. I had to kill the boot camp windows partition, though, because it can't be resized easily (at least Apple doesn't support resizing it), and there was no way I could free 12 GB of space for the update file and another 28 GB required for the update installation in a macOS partition that only had 57 GB assigned to it, while the rest of the hard drive, nearly 200 GB, was assigned to the boot camp windows partition. I didn't do that, that was how I got the machine from my sister in law when she upgraded, but this time it left me no choice. No problem since I have really never used windows in the two years I've had the MacBook and I have another windows PC of my own should I need to use windows.
 
You didn't actually because the age of a computer is irrelevant. If a computer is officially supported, it should not have issues.
I did actually and this will be the last time I state this because you're obviously not interested in going back to read the part where I said that it's common for people with very old computers (2013/2014) to have a lot of old files as it's often people with machines this old tend to not clean out their Macs so they may have corrupted files causing the bricking. Furthermore machines of this age also have a higher component failure rate such as logic boards and hard drives and when installing a major OS upgrade these failed/failing components don't rear the ugly heads until an OS upgrade.

Nothing I said now or earlier suggested anything about the 2013/2014 Macs not being supported. Stop adding words I never stated please.
 
I was skeptical about updating to Big Sur (which I’ve been calling Bug Slur for months now). However, I went ahead and updated my 2020 MacBook Pro (with the 10th generation Intel CPU). So far, I’m impressed. I didn’t like the UI changes in the beginning, but they are growing on me. Altogether, it seems that the UI is more fluid, and it makes me feel good simply to interact with the UI - it’s very polished and a pleasure to use. It also seems to me that my MacBook Pro is much faster with the apps I’ve been using before. Especially, Safari seems to be much snappier. 😂

I am, however, apprehensive about installing it on my late 2014 5K iMac running an upgraded Fusion Drive that consists of two SSDs. It works nicely in Catalina, but I’m afraid the Fusion Drive may croak in Big Slur or something else will brick the iMac. I know if this were to happen, I would be staying in a dog house. So, is anyone having any issues after upgrading the 2014 5K iMac to Big Slur?
You shouldn't be surprised. Big Sur works fine even on a mid 2013 MacBook Air (mine). And having killed the windows partition it even became a lot snappier than it used to be.
 
Ah, the usual cycle. Whenever Apple releases a new OS version, best to wait for one or two dot patches. Seems like the same thing for all their OS, macOS and iOS. So much for that "hardware and software" thing. :D
 
I always hold off on installing major OS X updates, aside from being wary many of the developers of software I use have sent out messages that their products are not yet ready for Big Sur.

Also, kinda waiting to see what happens with the 16” MBP with regard to the new chips.

And FWIW, I ran in the Big Sur Marathon a few years back and the experience, while the scenery was gorgeous the course itself absolutely sucked...
 
You seemed to be suggesting that people with 2013/2014 Macs should expect there to be major bugs with Big Sur on their Macs, as if it was their fault for not having a meow modern Mac.

You've missed the point. To average computer users, the way that Apple has presented major OS updates to users, is through the same control panel that minor updates and security updates are through. This mechanism hides minor updates, showing just the Major update. Thus uneducated users think they are installing a minor update. Have had this problem with numerous clients who accidentally upgraded to Catalina and lost important (to them) software, because they thought they were doing "the right thing" by installing what they thought were stability/maintenance updates.

If Apple's quality control is so bad that these sorts of issues are slipping through quality control, then Apple needs to a) make it clear that their major updates are major updates, and b) have a warning that updating might cause instability.


Yep they are. Windows 10 gets frequent feature updates, twice a year I believe. These work on machines going back to 2005/2006, and for people who had Windows 7, Windows 10 was a free upgrade for a deal of time. So yes, Microsoft is giving constant free upgrades to Windows 10 for very old computers. (and 2013/2014 do not qualify as 'very old')
From CNBC article January 2020 “Microsoft says you should buy a new computer if yours is more than 3 years old, since Windows 10 might run slowly on older hardware and won’t offer all the new features. If you have a computer that’s still running Windows 7 but is still fairly new, then you should upgrade it.”
 
It obviously sucks for those facing issues, but my late 2013 13" is working fine after upgrading from Catalina.
So is my mid-2013 MacBook Air. Had to kill a windows partition due to disk space issues, but it was certainly worth it.
 
I did actually and this will be the last time I state this because you're obviously not interested in going back to read the part where I said that it's common for people with very old computers (2013/2014) to have a lot of old files as it's often people with machines this old tend to not clean out their Macs so they may have corrupted files causing the bricking. Furthermore machines of this age also have a higher component failure rate such as logic boards and hard drives and when installing a major OS upgrade these failed/failing components don't rear the ugly heads until an OS upgrade.

Nothing I said now or earlier suggested anything about the 2013/2014 Macs not being supported. Stop adding words I never stated please.
Are there any Macbook Pros 2013 and after still using hard-drives? I thought Apple moved to SSD when they introduced retina screen.
 
When I installed Big Sur, there were fairly long periods of time where the screen appeared blank without a progress bar etc. and it wasn't an indication of something going wrong. The first attempt at installation was successful. That makes me think that some of the people having problems are just jumping the gun and interfering with the install.
 
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I got news for you buddy. The "Big Bucks" you paid for your 2013/2014 Macs has served it's purpose. You're not entitled to a free OS year after year, especially for these Macs that are near 7 & 8 years old. Years ago Apple charged $129 for an OS upgrade and people happily paid it, and Macs weren't any cheaper back then they are now.
People didn’t happily pay it. People happily stole it.
 
This is simply nonsense.
No it’s not. Apple pushes it’s major updates onto users starting from around day 1 and those who are not tech savvy can easily accidentally update.

Again, if bricking of machines is to be on rid the risks of upgrading, the onus should be on Apple to provide fair notice and warning of issues to end users to deter them from accidentally upgrading.
 
I did actually and this will be the last time I state this because you're obviously not interested in going back to read the part where I said that it's common for people with very old computers (2013/2014) to have a lot of old files as often people with machines this old tend to not clean out their Macs so they may have corrupted files causing the bricking. Furthermore machines of this age also have a higher component failure rate such as logic boards and hard drives and when installing a major OS upgrade these failed/failing components don't rear the ugly heads until an OS upgrade.
You also spent a lot of time blaming people with old computers for expecting OS updates and/or being excited enough about new features to update right away. If corrupt files can cause that major of an issue then the update needs to be robust enough to scan and either decline the update or sandbox those files.

Nothing I said now or earlier suggested anything about the 2013/2014 Macs not being supported. Stop adding words I never stated please.
Relax, I never implied that.
 
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Ah, the usual cycle. Whenever Apple releases a new OS version, best to wait for one or two dot patches. Seems like the same thing for all their OS, macOS and iOS. So much for that "hardware and software" thing. :D
Actually, macOS is usually the worst of Apple's platforms when it comes to updates. I'm surprised this year, because I have found no bugs so far and I'm using an old mid 2013 MacBook Air, one of the oldest models supported.
 
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"It is also of note that these are the oldest models supported by macOS Big Sur."

Incorrect. I have installed Big Sur on a mid-2013 MacBook Air. No issues.
 
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