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macOS Monterey Beta 3: Apple Redesigns Safari Tab Interface Following Complaints
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Noooo! The Safari redesign was actually my most anticipated new feature in Monterey. Looked awesome! Why are people complaining?! I wish Apple would be more confident and stick with their initial idea. At least its an option.
So….you download beta operating systems? That doesn’t make any sense to me. If you’re “getting older” and less open to change, why are you immediately jumping on prerelease software that is still a work-in-progress?
I don’t know. I’m on the fence. Wanted to like it, hated it after using using for a while…. but now that they are taking it away (even optionally) I’m wondering maybe if the frustration was more so because it was half baked. The biggest issue I had was dragging tabs/dragging urls (well, really the old way of dragging the site icon to a bookmark)/dragging windows all got confused in the transition and I could never get it to do one thing or the other. That said, I could see those being fixable issues. I mean…. hover/wait/click for a tab drag… pull down to decouple from the window…. fairly simple.
i do think it made tabs feel a little crazy/easier to lose track of (since you could no longer rely on its absolute position)…. But it did sort of queue you to think about tabs as being “this many tabs relative to that tab” which realistically is a better method than absolute position when opening/closing tons of tabs anyway.
I did hate the fact pinned tabs carried accross all windows and couldn’t be added to tab groups…. but that’s not really related to what they are pulling away here and makes me worry the backlash is being totally misdirected at the new url/tab feature…. just because it’s the the most obvious visual change and the minor fixable frustrations it legit does have become magnified when surround by frustrations caused by the changes in play all over due to the major rethink going on.
Anyway, regardless of how anyone views the tab/url bar in Monterey I’ll say this much: mobile safari in the latest iOS beta 3 is hitting is starting to hit it’s strides.
Long press the url bar and you have quick access to the much missed share/reload fields with minimal effort. I often forget force touch exist (as does pretty much everyone)…. but it could be a good gateway place to emphasize it’s use since I quite like the gestures/swiping/reachability thing they got going on otherwise.
The majority will opt to change for separate tab if they won't discard Safari altogether.
Given the author of this article, I would say that is pure speculation, being passed off as fact, unfortunately.
I need to see the URL when developing websites, otherwise I just want to see the page title ex : "MacRumors Forum" instead of "https://forums.macrumors.com".
We don't display user addresses in Messages, so we should we on web pages?
As a user, I liked the new design that was moving away from cryptic URLs (also using it through the safari tech preview).
We don't display user addresses in Messages, so we should we on web pages?
As a user, I liked the new design that was moving away from cryptic URLs (also using it through the safari tech preview).
It was great as it was. Thanks a lot boomers.
Not too different from the pre-Monterrey design height-wise. I’ll probably use the old new design though. I’ve grown to prefer it after using it for a while with the safari preview.
Whilst I'd be open to other browsers I always keep to Safari as I like the iCloud integration for bookmarks, passwords etc etc
This!! Too often I’m unaware of more options. Why make things harder and less obvious than before just to keep up with the joneses (materiel design, Microsoft, Apple etc) who are doing it too?
Where do you think the suggestion box is that Apple actually pays attention to? Only Beta testers? Certainly they as a whole may have different priorities than the pool of users. Focus groups? Mothers of VPs? I’m sure they’re not following macrumors threads and I’ve always assumed their online submission form is a black hole. With screens always increasing in size it’s maddening to still not be able to turn off auto-hiding safari tabs (in iOS/iPadOS).
Exactly. And usually for the sake of having something “modern” as parroted here:
macOS Monterey beta 3 brings redesigned Safari tab interface to address complaints - 9to5Mac
Apple brought major changes to Safari in both macOS Monterey and iOS 15 with the first two beta releases. Now...
9to5mac.com
Hiding often used tools, either “physically” offscreen or by minimizing their obviousness under the cloak of “modernization” or imagined excuse of “so as to no longer distract the user” is finally being called out by more and more who notice the drops in efficiently that add up every minute in “today’s” interface, app, and web design. Ive complained about it for years. (Intentional non-use of apostrophe, as a tribute to one of the bigger contributors to this)
Why is website design so awful today, generally?
can anyone answer why websites today tend to have so much wasted space, large text, large photos, and seemingly no organization to steer the user? Take for instance: https://www.mvmtwatches.com/?utm_content=not_purchased&gclid=CJ2oq-K739QCFV2HswodErYIJw You have to scroll forever to see...
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Still don't get why they float the buttons instead tying it to the content.
What is the function of the whitespace below the tab buttons?
What is the function of the whitespace below the tab buttons?
The new tabs were the best part of the event, people are really lame and scared of change
Responses like this are always interesting. Scared of change? How about: what was broken before that needed fixing?
I’ll counter with, why is Apple always so scared of sticking with something that works pretty darn well.
Thank you! I hated the reverted design. Wasting vertical space is so annoying. Much prefer the new way of doing it. This also creates a discrepancy between macOS 12 and iPadOS 15 as iPadOS 15 BETA3 is still collapsing the tabs like it did on macOS 12 BETA2.
I do enjoy Microsoft Edge. I hate the fact that Microsoft moved from EdgeHTML as their rendering engine to Blink/Chromium. Now all major browsers are using Blink/Chromium as their base besides Apple (Safari/Webkit) and Mozilla (Firefox/Gecko). We need diversity. If everyone is using Blink/Chromium it puts way too much power in Google's hands when it comes to manipulating how the web is going to develop moving forward.
But Microsoft did such a piss poor job with EdgeSpartan (old Edge) so the move to EdgeChromium (new Edge) has made the browser far more competitive. And Microsoft are making a ton of good decisions with EdgeChromium. They built-in vertical tabs is hands-down the best way of managing tabs if you ask me.
What I hate with Microsoft Edge is the fact that it currently is the browser farming the most telemetry data from users. It's really bad for privacy. It's the only browser from the big players that is actively tying your browser to a hardware identifier and whatnot. It's rather bad.
And Microsoft is just terrible at sync. Which is quite ironic considering they are owning the entire backend and whatnot as it's using Microsoft Azure and Microsoft 365. Still I have Microsoft Edge running on two Windows 11 BETA installations, two Windows 10 20H1 installations, one Windows Server 2019 installation, one Windows Server 2022 installation and one macOS 12 BETA3 installation and things like browsing history and typing data is a complete mess. When I configure Microsoft Edge on a new system it will often not sync my extensions etc.
Safari on the other hand is also great in many ways. It's by far the most fluid and power-efficient browser on macOS. On iOS there really is no contest as you don't get decent ad-blockers and whatnot with third-party browsers and all browsers have to use WebKit on iOS regardless so using other browsers doesn't really make any sense other than syncing capabilities that comes at a loss of being capable of using a decent ad-blocker.
Apple is doing so many great things when it comes to privacy. iCloud Private Relay on macOS 12 makes Safari so much better compared to any other browser for privacy for this reason alone. But Safari is struggelig with rendering some websites at times (this again most likely a downside of everyone else moving to Blink/Chromium allow for web developers to not follow common web standards. As long as it works correctly in Blink/Chromium they don't care as web standards making it also work in Safari (Webkit) or Firefox (Gecko) isn't important as the userbase is quite small. This is bad..
Perhaps my biggest issues with Safari on macOS is the lack of extensions. We have a few but the situation is rather bad. I have some extensions that is simply integrated to my browsing habits. Not having these is a huge limitations. But Apple's move from their own standard for extensions over to using the open WebExtensions standard with iOS/iPadOS 15 and macOS 12 will most likely make the market for Safari extensions far better. This should also make it so that Safari extensions on iOS/iPadOS is no longer limited to only ad-blockers.
I hate this change. I loved the previous design with everything on a single line, no vertical space wasted. I don't want to go back.
PLEASE MAKE THIS AN OPTION so people who like the new design can keep it, and people who don't like it can go back.
DON'T get rid of the improved single-line layout!
As long as it's an option, I don't care what is the default. But I need my beloved single-line, combined tabs and URL bar.
PLEASE MAKE THIS AN OPTION so people who like the new design can keep it, and people who don't like it can go back.
DON'T get rid of the improved single-line layout!
As long as it's an option, I don't care what is the default. But I need my beloved single-line, combined tabs and URL bar.
It is an option in the View menu ‘Show Seperate Tab Bar’ which has to be ticked.
The double height bar is showing as default in this beta as the single line bar is broken (can’t refresh or even close tabs at times). It will be back as default hopefully in the next beta and certainly by release.
Pretty sure that numerous threads on the subject have made clear why people object. How could this be a mystery?
- UI elements hidden (refresh, reader, close button, back, forward, tab title)
- UI elements moving around (url/search bar is here, now its there, tab was there, now its here)
- UI elements not working properly (thumbnail gets stuck, reader view button doesn't show up when it does for the same page in Safari 14)
- All of this for not much in the way of horizontal real estate gained.
Safari 14 left, STP 127 right, with favorites bar enabled. Really now, not much new real estate at all.