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I never had to "get over it", as like I said it works on Teams (which TBH more people use). Guess MS coders are just better than Apple ones.

The complaints about Teams draining battery on both Windows and Macs are numerous. It was particularly bad in 2020 but the newer versions seems to do a little better.

Maybe if Microsoft developers stopped using Electron and started programming specific for each platform, they would get a high performance, low battery use application.
 
all this intel restrictions means is a lees "walled garden" on these older macs.
while scrolling through the new features Monterrey has to offer
I realized i did not want or need any of those features, even the play music o every devise.
and just strawberry bubble gum compared to an operation system to create anything.

i guess Monterrey is a place somewhere in california
were every one is everyone's friends
and every one know what everyone is doing
and everyone is smiling but not getting any work finished,
 
It's mostly about saving resources and money on development and testing. You write software for the future, not the past.

Very few will leave the Mac ecosystem over this. It probably will pale in comparison to the number of new people buying more Macs because the M1 Macs are so efficient.
You do realise that Apple still sells Intel machines and likely will for the rest of the year.
 
You do realise that Apple still sells Intel machines and likely will for the rest of the year.

Yes, but it doesn't change anything.

Those who buy those Intel Macs probably have no choice and won't care about this features.

It's a very easy decision to make both from a business and technical viewpoint to not support the old line of machines.
 
Can't get mad at this stuff. Most of it is obviously because the code is written directly for the Neural Engine, which obviously the Intel Mac doesn't have. My guess having to write an emulation layer for that code to run on Intel Macs would be sh#t and slow. So just drop it. The 3D Earth thing is hilarious, because how long has Google Earth been doing that trick? But honestly, how often have I run the Mac native Maps app? Probably less than 10 times in my life. If I'm looking up maps on my laptop, I'm using Google Maps website, or even Apple Maps website, not that app.

I'll be keeping a keen eye on what we loose on the next iteration of Mac OS though. At what point will features that I genuinely care about not be supported, or they drop Intel completely?
Very well said… there are so many new hardware accelerators on the M1 and above chips that it just makes sense to just use them or disable the feature that needed it.
Just like GPUs: sure code can be made to emulate 3D software rendering that runs painfully slow on the cpu but nowadays 99% of the things that require fast and smooth 3D requires a graphics card of any sort, integrated, discrete, external, etc.
Same for ML cores, hardware encoders/decoders, etc
 
hardly a unique period in Apple’s history. I went through this with the swap from 68K to PowerPC and again with the swap to Intel.

Given that an Intel Core i 6th generation or newer has the required processing capability for blurring the background in Teams and Zoom, this just the Marketing department flexing its muscles.

The same with the globe feature. My old Pentium Windows PC could do that nearly 2 decades ago.

I understand why they are doing this, they want people to move forward, but they are also putting loyal users’ backs up.

I got caught with the switch to Intel, I bought a first generation iMac 24” and it was dropped like a hot potato shortly afterwards (Lion), because Apple had cut corners and used a 32-bit UEFI, with a 64-bit processor, then decided that they only wanted to support 64-bit UEFI.
 
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Will the Intel Mac hardware qualify for Windows 11? Maybe not.

True, many won't, but most of the Monterey supported Macs should. From what I recall, the 2016 MacBook Pros, plus all 2017 Macs (not sure about the 2017 MacBook Air though) should have a TPM chip, which is the main hardware restriction not allowing Windows 11 to install. A firmware update to unable it and enable secure boot with it for Boot Camp should be possible I imagine.
 
The neural APIs probably won't work on an Intel Mac since they lack the neural engine the APIs uses. Thus the API probably isn't available on Intel Macs.

Therefore the programmer of the OS feature only have three choice
1) Neural API for M1 Macs, no support ofr Intel Macs
2) Abandon the feature
3) Neural API for M1 Macs, re-implement the feature using non-neural algorithms
4) Use the more inefficient non-neural feature for both types of Mac

For a line of Macs racing to extinction, it's an obvious choice to go for 1).

For the globe feature it might be even simpler. They didn't have the time or resources to test it properly or decided to not support it to save future testing and development costs.

The neural engine is specialized hardware to perform specific ML related tasks. There is no reason these tasks can't be done by the CPU or GPU on intel machine, just a bit more slowly, depending on the task. Implementing the API on top of these instructions is very possible. The point of a CPU is to be flexible enough to handle any task. This was a business choice that the bang for buck wasn't there. The investment not worth the reward.

"Didn't have resources" means much the same thing. I think your assessment is correct but as you noted it's to save costs. That's a business decision. The investment was not worth the reward.
 
None of the new features mentioned wow me. I'll stay with my Mid 2012 MBP running Big Sur which was claimed wouldn't work. It does flawlessly.
 
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Not a big deal. My 2013 MacBook is running 10.12. You NEVER miss what you don't have as the saying goes. Plus, I'm several thousand dollars in the black.
 
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The neural engine is specialized hardware to perform specific ML related tasks. There is no reason these tasks can't be done by the CPU or GPU on intel machine, just a bit more slowly, depending on the task. Implementing the API on top of these instructions is very possible. The point of a CPU is to be flexible enough to handle any task. This was a business choice that the bang for buck wasn't there. The investment not worth the reward.

"Didn't have resources" means much the same thing. I think your assessment is correct but as you noted it's to save costs. That's a business decision. The investment was not worth the reward.

Some problems can't simply be fixed by throwing money at them. The bigger the team is, the less efficient it is. You can't just onboard new people and expect results.

You may be right, but it could also be because they prioritised different development areas. It isn't worth the effort to create something with a finite lifespan (intel mac support).
 
A lot of those features are very helpful and would be used. College students would utilize the text to speech feature. Folks that travel would use the detailed maps feature.
No, they won't. Text to Speech has been a feature of the Mac since the Quadra AVs in 1993, and Dictation was added with OS X Mountain Lion 10.8. Not sure why Apple wants to claim this as a new feature is beyond me. No one has used the feature since 1993, they are not going to change now. People that travel use anything other than Apple Maps. Apple Maps is still useless.
 
No, they won't. Text to Speech has been a feature of the Mac since the Quadra AVs in 1993, and Dictation was added with OS X Mountain Lion 10.8. Not sure why Apple wants to claim this as a new feature is beyond me. No one has used the feature since 1993, they are not going to change now. People that travel use anything other than Apple Maps. Apple Maps is still useless.
Google Maps is still king but Apple Maps is a lot better and very usable.
 
Yes. It is. My 16" with a 560X is ~ 2.5 TFlop on the GPU and the M1 is 2.6 TFlop. The M1 also does not get as hot and does not throttle as much.

Edit: Should say was not is. I got rid of that Intel rubbish yesterday since my M1 Max is shipping soon. The newer Intel 16" has a Radeon Pro which is faster than the M1 but less than half as fast as the M1 Max/32.
So in the first sentence you claim your M1 is 2.6 and your 16" is 2.5, but that is wrong because Intel Macs with dedicated graphics smoke the M1's graphics. Even the 21.5" iMac with dedicated graphics smokes the M1. Metal scores prove that. Then your next statement admits that the 16" is faster than the M1. It is not less than half the M1 Max. Apple's graphs show the M1 Max 32 at least meeting the performance of dedicated graphics (finally). It is twice as fast as integrated graphics. Until real-world testing is out, your claims are made up.

Funny that you spent over $2,000 on MacBook Pro that you suddenly claim is rubbish. You know, those Intel Macs that have kept Apple alive for the past 15 years. The Intel Macs are the best Macs Apple has made, and way better than the M1 Macs with their limited capability. That is why Apple continues to sell the higher end models. When the M1 MacBook was revealed that it could not drive two external displays, I knew they were not worth buying. A 2012 MacBook Pro can drive two external 4K Displays, but a brand-new M1 Mac can't? WTF was Apple thinking? They released new Macs with less features than the Macs they replaced. Which is why only the guinea pigs bought the M1, to experience bluetooth, WiFi, and display problems. Look how fast the M1 models appeared in the refurb store. The M1 Pro and M1 Max chips is what Apple should have released right from the start. The millions of Intel Macs in use today are not rubbish. So drop that mentality.
 
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My intel macs can display a 3D globe in Apple Maps just fine, on macOSS Big Sur. You just need to go to 3D view before you zoom out. Am I missing something?
Apple apparently claims their new eye-candy 3D view in Apple Maps only works on Apple Silicon. Which is a joke considering the Mac Pros are still faster than M1.
 
Some problems can't simply be fixed by throwing money at them. The bigger the team is, the less efficient it is. You can't just onboard new people and expect results.

You may be right, but it could also be because they prioritised different development areas. It isn't worth the effort to create something with a finite lifespan (intel mac support).
With you there. When building software (or anything, really) weighing the efficacy of your work against he cost matters. Apple made their decision but the most Mac faithful live here on these forums and I'm seeing a mixed result to it. That PR does matter. And what is the price of that to Apple. We saw the pushback on CSAM and Apple backed down. This is a bit more of a mixed reaction but still far from positive.
 
So in the first sentence you claim your M1 is 2.6 and your 16" is 2.5, but that is wrong because Intel Macs with dedicated graphics smoke the M1's graphics. Even the 21.5" iMac with dedicated graphics smokes the M1. Metal scores prove that. Then your next statement admits that the 16" is faster than the M1. It is not less than half the M1 Max. Apple's graphs show the M1 Max 32 at least meeting the performance of dedicated graphics (finally). It is twice as fast as integrated graphics. Until real-world testing is out, your claims are made up.

Funny that you spent over $2,000 on MacBook Pro that you suddenly claim is rubbish. You know, those Intel Macs that have kept Apple alive for the past 15 years. The Intel Macs are the best Macs Apple has made, and way better than the M1 Macs with their limited capability. That is why Apple continues to sell the higher end models. When the M1 MacBook was revealed that it could not drive two external displays, I knew they were not worth buying. A 2012 MacBook Pro can drive two external 4K Displays, but a brand-new M1 Mac can't? WTF was Apple thinking? They released new Macs with less features than the Macs they replaced. Which is why only the guinea pigs bought the M1, to experience bluetooth, WiFi, and display problems. Look how fast the M1 models appeared in the refurb store. The M1 Pro and M1 Max chips is what Apple should have released right from the start. The millions of Intel Macs in use today are not rubbish. So drop that mentality.

M1 was considered entry level and came in cheaper and faster than the Macs they replaced. Being able to use multiple displays can be a paint point for a few folks but there are many folks that don't care about that scenario especially if they have a MacBook. Bootcamp is a big deal though.
 
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Apple couldn't be bothered to code for Intel as well as M1. This is a very dangerous precedent Apple. Sheer laziness and although mostly trivial functions, where next ? It is a slap in the face of those who have spent many many thousands on your products and will damage customer loyalty not enhance or push people to getting new MX based machines. Rather like forgetting to put a 'MacBook Pro' label on your machine.

Perhaps Johnny Ive was not such problem after all.....
 
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VMWare Fusion also runs Win11 without problems if you add a virtual TPM device to the VM (at least the Pro version does, but the free version should too).
I’m sure it will. Just need to figure out how to convert my Windows Insider licence to an official Win11 licence and I can trigger the upgrade.
 


Apple's official public release of macOS Monterey arrives on Monday, October 25, and users should be aware that there are several features in macOS 12 that are only available to machines powered by Apple silicon chips. In other words, they won't work on Intel-powered Macs.

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Differentiating the user experience like this isn't anything new to iOS users, since each year the latest iPhone models boast features that aren't available on iPhones that Apple released the previous year.

Mac users on the other hand aren't so used to such fast-paced changes, and the latest software-based depreciations could come as a shock to some. With the possible exception of Object Capture, the following macOS Monterey features won't be available to anyone running the new software on an Intel Mac, even if it was purchased from Apple only last year.

Portrait Mode in FaceTime

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With Portrait mode in macOS Monterey, you can blur your background during a FaceTime call, so that the focus is on you rather than what's behind you. The feature is commonly used by other video conferencing apps like Zoom and Teams to obscure untidy domestic scenes and other sources of distraction or embarrassment. If you're using an Intel-powered Mac though, it won't be an option.

Maps Interactive Globe

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On Macs powered by M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max chips, Apple has enhanced the Maps app to include a new globe view that allows you to spin the world around and zoom into different regions on Earth. In previous versions of macOS, zooming out maximally in Maps would present you with a flat world map, but the new globe view gives you a three-dimensional view of Earth from space that's a lot more fun to navigate.

More Detailed Cities in Maps

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The globe also allows you to drill down into areas, where you'll find more detailed information on vast geological features like mountain ranges, deserts, forests, and oceans, and more comprehensive maps in cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, and London, which includes details for elevation, roads, trees, buildings, landmarks, and more. If you're using an Intel-based Mac, this extra detail will be lacking.

Object Capture

Object Capture allows users to create a photo-realistic, AR-optimized 3D object by stitching together a series of photographs. The technique is called photogrammetry, which previously required specialized software to work out, but with Monterey, Apple has integrated its Object Capture API into macOS, which makes the process faster and a whole lot easier when using an app that supports it.

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For example, using an app like PhotoCatch allows users to import a video, or several photos of an object from several angles, and with no additional effort, turn them into a realistic 3D model of the object, which can then be easily integrated into any AR app. All Apple Silicon Macs support Object Capture, but it is only supported on Intel Macs that have at least 16GB of RAM and 4GB of VRAM.

Siri Text-to-Speech

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The Text-to-speech feature in macOS allows users to select portions of text or highlight whole documents to be read out to them. Users of Apple Silicon Macs can use the text-to-speech voice feature in more languages than Intel-based Mac users, including Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, and Finnish.

On-Device Keyboard Dictation

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With keyboard dictation, you can dictate text anywhere you can type it, and the feature improves the more you use it, personalizing over time. On Apple Silicon Macs, keyboard dictation now protects user privacy by performing all processing on-device, meaning it's completely offline. And thanks to on-device dictation, users can also dictate text of any length without a timeout. On Intel Macs, however, there's a time limit of 60 seconds.

Apple Speeds Up Its Transition Away From Intel

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This is a unique period in the Mac's history, as Apple is currently in the midst of a two-year transition from Intel processors to its custom Apple silicon chips in Macs, with the changeover slated to be completed by WWDC 2022.

The transition began last November, when Apple debuted the M1, its first custom-designed chip, in the entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and Mac mini, followed by the 24-inch iMac in April. Just last week at its "Unleashed" event, Apple unveiled new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models powered by even higher performance M1 Pro and M1 Max chips.

Intel chips continue to be available in desktop machines that include the Mac mini, iMac, and Mac Pro, but upgrades for all of those devices are in the works and expected next year, so expect the next version of macOS to exclude Intel-based Mac users to an even greater extent than Monterey.

Article Link: macOS Monterey: Here Are All the Features Your Intel Mac Won't Support
Well that's ok with me. None of those features will be missed by me. But don't you just love it when you buy an Apple computer but you never really own it?
 
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