Nope, I am expecting a hot mess, but hoping for a stable release. I've been disappointed for years, so I don't expect anything different.
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macOS Sequoia Release Likely to Be the Earliest in Years
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Yeah rush it out, there are no issues or bugs at all.
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So, I'm running 15.0 on one machine.
So far I haven't seen any issues with it, it seems stable. I'll be keeping it to one machine for several months, of course. Weirdly, Little Snitch did a new major release, so I was anticipating it would break without that, but it didn't.
Mail is still buggy, but at this point I don't expect Apple to ever fix it. I'm probably going to just end up switching to Thunderbird at some point.
So far I haven't seen any issues with it, it seems stable. I'll be keeping it to one machine for several months, of course. Weirdly, Little Snitch did a new major release, so I was anticipating it would break without that, but it didn't.
Mail is still buggy, but at this point I don't expect Apple to ever fix it. I'm probably going to just end up switching to Thunderbird at some point.
Most of the good stuff isn’t even in 15.1 beta. It’ll probably have to wait until 15.2. The .2s usually dropped of year / early January.
All of the OSes need to be released in sync because of interlocking services and features notes and HomeKit are two examples. All your devices need to be on the same version of Notes and HomeKit for all of the features to work across all of your devices. This need not be the case, but as long as the features are tied to the OS versions it is the case.
Much of the value of Apple products are their deep integration with each other and the iCloud back end.
Much of the value of Apple products are their deep integration with each other and the iCloud back end.
Only the freshest of bugs are good enough for Apples
Overall there isn’t really much in 14.0, and 14.1 isn’t that much better. Apple really put their focus on AI in this release, and looks like they’re really far behind. So, it looks like they’ll just be releasing Sequoia unfinished, just to buy time while they work on getting the AI stuff done. That doesn’t look like it’ll happen until 14.2.
The .2 releases generally release from December and January (usually January), with as late as February. Since 14.0 is looking to be released early (14.0 it’s very much finished, and all the focuses on 14.1 and 14.2 right now), I’m going to guess that we will get 14.2 in December, maybe late November for lucky.
So while Sequoia may be released early, the real bulk of the features promised are looking to be released very late.
I’m a huge proponent of Apple needing to stop the yearly OS upgrade cycle, at least for macOS. Forcing the development team to release something new and great once a year is drastically diminished the overall quality and stability of the operating system, and has generally led to overpromising and underdelivering on features. I’m still running macOS 12 and 10.15 on some computers, because they were much more bug free than 13 and 14. My Mac studio on 13 and 14 has been a nightmare. it doesn’t appear that they’re going to fix the issues in 15, so I may roll back to 12 (but that’s going to be a pain).
Apple really needs to move to a year and a half to two years cycle, and the next release should be all about bug fixes and performance. Considering that the marketing people are mostly in charge of the company now, I don’t think there’s a chance of that happening unless they market it to us as a feature, perhaps when they drop all Intel Support. Similar to how it worked with 10.6 Snow Leopard.
I’m really hoping they get this figured out, I’m really hoping they get this figured out, Linux doesn’t quite do it for me, no matter how hard I try to use it, and Windows is a pile of garbage.
The .2 releases generally release from December and January (usually January), with as late as February. Since 14.0 is looking to be released early (14.0 it’s very much finished, and all the focuses on 14.1 and 14.2 right now), I’m going to guess that we will get 14.2 in December, maybe late November for lucky.
So while Sequoia may be released early, the real bulk of the features promised are looking to be released very late.
I’m a huge proponent of Apple needing to stop the yearly OS upgrade cycle, at least for macOS. Forcing the development team to release something new and great once a year is drastically diminished the overall quality and stability of the operating system, and has generally led to overpromising and underdelivering on features. I’m still running macOS 12 and 10.15 on some computers, because they were much more bug free than 13 and 14. My Mac studio on 13 and 14 has been a nightmare. it doesn’t appear that they’re going to fix the issues in 15, so I may roll back to 12 (but that’s going to be a pain).
Apple really needs to move to a year and a half to two years cycle, and the next release should be all about bug fixes and performance. Considering that the marketing people are mostly in charge of the company now, I don’t think there’s a chance of that happening unless they market it to us as a feature, perhaps when they drop all Intel Support. Similar to how it worked with 10.6 Snow Leopard.
I’m really hoping they get this figured out, I’m really hoping they get this figured out, Linux doesn’t quite do it for me, no matter how hard I try to use it, and Windows is a pile of garbage.
Every September slash October, once we have finally learned the lessons from every previous September slash October:
“Not touching this one with a 6 foot stick for at least 6 months. Just got everything working how I want it!”
cjsuk, welcome to the club.
Mac OS X Chita: March 24, 2001
Mac OS X Puma: September 25, 2001
Mac OS X Jaguar: August 23, 2002
Mac OS X Panther: October 24, 2003
Mac OS X Tiger : April 28, 2005
Mac OS X Leopard: October 26, 2007
Mac OS X Snow Leopard: August 28, 2009
Mac OS X Lion: July 20, 2011
Mac OS X Mountain Lion: July 25, 2012
I’ve always found it interesting that people absolutely rant on and on about how “ if we were on 18 to 24 month upgrade cycle, things would be so much less buggy, like Snow Leopard was”.
Leopard, the version in which Snow Leopard had to bug-fix, literally had the longest development period of every other version, and was publicly delayed twice.
And going back in the archives, Tiger, also known as the first release that wasn’t annual after the first four versions had been released within 30 months, had quite a bumpy launch according to forum posts from the time.
Mac OS X Puma: September 25, 2001
Mac OS X Jaguar: August 23, 2002
Mac OS X Panther: October 24, 2003
Mac OS X Tiger : April 28, 2005
Mac OS X Leopard: October 26, 2007
Mac OS X Snow Leopard: August 28, 2009
Mac OS X Lion: July 20, 2011
Mac OS X Mountain Lion: July 25, 2012
I’ve always found it interesting that people absolutely rant on and on about how “ if we were on 18 to 24 month upgrade cycle, things would be so much less buggy, like Snow Leopard was”.
Leopard, the version in which Snow Leopard had to bug-fix, literally had the longest development period of every other version, and was publicly delayed twice.
And going back in the archives, Tiger, also known as the first release that wasn’t annual after the first four versions had been released within 30 months, had quite a bumpy launch according to forum posts from the time.
I didn’t used to wait so long. But a few generations of OS (particularly iOS) have been real messes with big bugs. And you never know until you download the new OS and live with it. I can’t be alone, since Apple has been providing security updates for older OS’s. That’s not just for people with devices that can no longer use the next OS.
But an even bigger factor is I haven’t been interested in most new features Apple has come up with over the past five years. Now, an improved Messages app with RCS does seem desirable. But that’s about the only useful thing I see being offered this time around. AI? Maybe down the road. Right now, it’s a bunch of cheap parlor tricks.
I‘ve been running the latest public betas, and there haven’t been any show stopping issues with Sequoia. Folks who may have specialized apps or programs that they need to run may be having some issues, but it seems stable overall. I haven’t run 15.1 with the Apple Intelligence stuff yet, but I am looking forward to the final release of 15.0.
Thats why you should have separate devices for evaluating software updates, if your business relies on stuff functioning properly.
I usually download updates to the OS on all my Apple devices but I think this year I will hold off and see if any major bugs or problems arise given it includes AI.
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The broad general rule of waiting for .2 to .3 has become .5 to .6 for me in the last few years. So I look forward to upgrading to Sequoia by about WWDC when they announce the next version.
To each his own of course and I thank those early adopters for helping Apple discover the issues and fix them over the first .3 to .4 updates.
I miss "just works" Apple... and would thoroughly cheer on a "Snow Leopard" year... or two.
To each his own of course and I thank those early adopters for helping Apple discover the issues and fix them over the first .3 to .4 updates.
I miss "just works" Apple... and would thoroughly cheer on a "Snow Leopard" year... or two.
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Since retiring and no longer doing mission critical work. My entire computer life runs on all Apple stuff. Software I will be using is Topaz software and Canon Imageclass MF wireless scanner/printer. Epson V500 Scanner oh Pixlemator Pro. Thats about it. Simple things so I'm pretty hopeful this update will be smooth for me. I'll turn off AI for sure though.
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Given that a sizeable number of features were moved into the .1 release, this shouldn't be a big surprise.
I don't care if it's released early. I want it released when it's as close to perfect as software can get. Every MacOS release (to say nothing of iOS & others) under Federhigi has been plagued with bugs, glitches, half-baked gimmicks, over-promised features, under-delivered features lazily appearing at "a later date" and so on.
Apple needs to jettison this yearly update nonsense and go back to releasing things when ready. If it takes two years then so be it.
Sadly I don't see that ever happening under the current regime.
Apple needs to jettison this yearly update nonsense and go back to releasing things when ready. If it takes two years then so be it.
Sadly I don't see that ever happening under the current regime.
I upgrade at least half a day after the newest MacOS version comes out, but I always do a Time Machine backup of my Mac BEFORE the upgrade, just to play it safe. So far I've been lucky when it comes to my M1 MacBook Air.
I could see them releasing iOS 18 and Sequoia at the same time since both Operating Systems will support the iPhone Mirroring.
Likely not. Like iOS 18, it'll probably be in a .1 release in October most likely.