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macOS Sierra 10.12.2 Removes 'Time Remaining' Battery Life Indicator
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This is not the same - are you being willfully ignorant?
The fuel measure has gone nowhere- that is the battery percentage indicator. What has gone is the estimated battery life left analogous to a car that try to guess the amount of miles you have left. Which for a car is a simple range of MPG, and for a computer is nothing remotely simple. I think they should have left it in but your comment is just trolling.
Oh, the ignorance of it all!
The comments about the TIME remaining for a computer battery has NOTHING to do with the display the remaining percentage of battery capacity.
Can you imagine displaying the miles remaining on your vehicle and then hauling a heavy load in your trunk and becoming upset that you ran out of gas before you drove that load-filled vehicle the distance that was reported before adding the load?
This is exactly why I will always prefer using my computer while it is plugged into an AC outlet.
It's a dynamic display. My car does show me how many miles I have on the fuel left in the tank. Everyone knows it is estimate. It is called if you drive under the current conditions how many miles you have left. Same for the time indicator. I think most people know it was an estimate based on the current processing conditions. It actually reminds me to check if anything unnecessary is running in the background when I see an unusual percentage and time remaining combination.
Would you be happy if one day Apple makes the space bar smaller as most people don't really hit both ends that much?
Where did so much anger come from? Instead of arguing the issue you are just trying to attack everyone with your "ban" comments. That's like a parent saying don't cross the street without looking first and you as a child respond with "I wish I didn't have a dad". You're not arguing the point. Are you just stomping your foot in justification for loving apple even though they have lost their way, or just pure anger towards humanity hoping to silence everyone but yourself, being delusional that you are surely smarter than everyone else.
I suspect the former as reading some of your other posts you don't sound like a moron. So stick with being intelligent and don't write stupid sh.. like that again.
A car measures fuel burn based on miles traveled. Battery estimation is measured by burn based on time. How is this ignorance? Given it's the same formula just different components, I'd says it's a pretty good analogy. Perhaps not MPG but estimated milage left on tank vs estimated time left on battery.
It reminds me of when the post office removed the clocks from their buildings after people complained about the long lines:
US Postal Service Solves Long Waits By Removing Clocks From Post Offices
https://consumerist.com/2007/03/02/...g-waits-by-removing-clocks-from-post-offices/
You know it's a sad day when Apple is looking at the post office for ideas on how to run the company.
US Postal Service Solves Long Waits By Removing Clocks From Post Offices
https://consumerist.com/2007/03/02/...g-waits-by-removing-clocks-from-post-offices/
You know it's a sad day when Apple is looking at the post office for ideas on how to run the company.
Just give Mr. Ive the golden handshake. His thinness-fetish really hurts the company, there needs to be some change! Maybe nobody at Apple dares criticising him for stupid ideas and steps in the wrong direction. Steve at least told him if something sucked. (However, they also made mistakes together like the hockey puck mouse)
Design is nothing without Function!
Please, just stop making MacBook "Pro" thinner every year.. they are already extremely thin. Or just call this **** Macbook Air or MacBook Ive. And give us real Pro devices, with large batteries, more RAM options (replaceable) and MagSafe.
Design is nothing without Function!
Please, just stop making MacBook "Pro" thinner every year.. they are already extremely thin. Or just call this **** Macbook Air or MacBook Ive. And give us real Pro devices, with large batteries, more RAM options (replaceable) and MagSafe.
hahahahaha
In other words "you're using it wrong"
This company has really went to **** the last couple years.
In other words "you're using it wrong"
This company has really went to **** the last couple years.
Pretty sure the Chrome battery draining comments were around for a lot longer than this current model MBP existed and those reviews for it. There are numerous articles about how Chrome uses up too much RAM.
This subject has nothing to do with removing the time remaining indicator.
dxmac99 explained it very well a few posts back. A car's "miles left" and the computer's "time left" are too variable to be accurate and depend on an average usage. If your car says 20 miles left, and you suddenly go uphill for 5 miles, your tank will be empty in 5. Similarly, if your battery indicator says an hour left, but you switch on WIFI and fire up HULU to watch a movie after doing word processing all day, it won't be accurate.
But, it's always been like that so not sure why people are now complaining.
Here's the spin I imagine from Apple:
I've been saying that's their new slogan for a while now. I think they remain the best game in town, by far. Sadly, it's becoming quite a ****** game. At least their build quality seems to remain pretty high. But this hilarious pursuit of super thin tiny machines that are useful only to folks who live in email, facebook and youtube is taking a toll. Users that love having a powerful, pleasant to use Unix platform are seemingly being given a massive middle finger.
I hope Apple returns to machines that can be decently user serviced, with massive displays (17" MBP) and desktops of heroic power (Classic/Cheese-grater Mac Pros). I'm no longer expecting this to happen, so I'm in the coasting phase. My next machines will be on meaningless hardware and likely run Ubuntu Linux. This is not an endorsement to Ubuntu, but that'll be the next best option - especially when Apple inevitably goes to only ARM machines with tiny displays that can't compile or transcode better than my 10yr old desktop. #epicbutthurt
"Rather than coming up with progressively more interesting methods to produce meaningful estimates, we'll just chop it out entirely.
Why? Because **** You."
Why? Because **** You."
I've been saying that's their new slogan for a while now. I think they remain the best game in town, by far. Sadly, it's becoming quite a ****** game. At least their build quality seems to remain pretty high. But this hilarious pursuit of super thin tiny machines that are useful only to folks who live in email, facebook and youtube is taking a toll. Users that love having a powerful, pleasant to use Unix platform are seemingly being given a massive middle finger.
I hope Apple returns to machines that can be decently user serviced, with massive displays (17" MBP) and desktops of heroic power (Classic/Cheese-grater Mac Pros). I'm no longer expecting this to happen, so I'm in the coasting phase. My next machines will be on meaningless hardware and likely run Ubuntu Linux. This is not an endorsement to Ubuntu, but that'll be the next best option - especially when Apple inevitably goes to only ARM machines with tiny displays that can't compile or transcode better than my 10yr old desktop. #epicbutthurt
Come on,this after the 10 hours battery claim is a real fail.I could understand if there wasn't any problem with it but just right after the reality rises is a big No by me.Apple you're really need to respect your users more.
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Unless it's an HP. HP did this about two years ago on their entire line of laptops, at least the consumer models. I blame this on the idiots who probably freaked out when they see low estimated run time and complained, not realizing some background services is hogging the CPU, dragging down the estimated run time.
It probably is for the better. I'm guilty of constantly hovering the mouse over the battery to see the "estimated remaining" time.
Now THAT takes 'courage.'
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Which might be why Apple has banned comments on Sierra in the app store
While I will have my beef with Apple over a host of issues, this isn't one of them (neither are the ports on the macbook pro but that is another post).
I ran my PC down hard the other day and it said I had 1.5 hours and it was more like 25 minutes and then I milked an 8 minutes remaining for about 15 minutes. Stupid download didn't finish anyway.
I ran my PC down hard the other day and it said I had 1.5 hours and it was more like 25 minutes and then I milked an 8 minutes remaining for about 15 minutes. Stupid download didn't finish anyway.
How about 'battery life is whatever you want it to be.' Think different
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Stop that. It makes much too much sense.Why in the world did they just not display it in the drop down menu appearing something similar to:
"Maximum Battery Time: xx:xx"
instead of just removing it. That way users can still use it as a metric, yet understand that its a best case scenario.
They meant 10 hrs when you just put it in sleep mode.
this....thank you for such a logical post. I always tell customers not to think much about the ESTIMATED time remaining because it fluctuates with usage and is therefore kind of misleading. Removing it now is not 'covering up' its just finally ditching a useless, inaccurate "feature"
cmon apple can't promise release dates for its products, you think they're gonna promise how long your battery will last?
It's just gotten to the point (or maybe it was always there) that people just want to complain about anything and want to read way too much from the tea leaves. This is a non-issue. More specifically, it was fixing an issue, but even fixing problems results in negativity. Oh yeah, and we need fodder for "courage" jokes because those are STILL funny, right?
I'm hoping this update fixes some of the actual stability issues with the new machines. I have a 13" Touch Bar model and it's the most unstable Mac I've owned since my first Intel MacBook (that is still the worst Mac I have ever owned in terms of stability, but it got much better over the life of Tiger).
I bet at least half the people here didn't know you could click on the icon and get the remaining battery time guess. And what's really a hoot is those that knew about the "feature" actually think it's accurate.
Wrong analogy.
The fuel indicator is the battery percentage, while the estimated time remaining is like the Range - which is useless most of the time. What if you were going up hill for the rest of the trip?
Why in the world did they just not display it in the drop down menu appearing something similar to:
"Maximum Battery Time: xx:xx"
instead of just removing it. That way users can still use it as a metric, yet understand that its a best case scenario.
Because it's still useless information. What do you base your "max" off of? Idle with minimum brightness? Sleep? This is the problem with the estimate in the first place: there are a TON of variables involved. And even if they used some kind of "realistic" baseline, someone who isn't particularly familiar with all these variables is still going to read it in a totally misunderstood way.
As I have said, the griping should have been that this feature existed in the first place, not that it's being removed.
Well, this is of course disconcerting. Somehow, we'll try to muddle through. We'll straighten our backs, stiffen our upper lips, and try to carry on. /s