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Things were much worse in the early days of OSX. Leopard (10.5) would lose your files if you started a move and then cancelled it. One minor point upgrade caused a kernel panic on my quicksilver powermac G4 and could only be recovered from by downloading a special and applying it while shelled in. Back then, there was no time machine and no automatic updates like today. CCC was your only savior, but at least you could roll back easily or even boot from another Mac's drive through firewire.
 
Was there a specific reason or this or just an abundance of caution?
The audio industry has always been obscenely slow to upgrade their software and hardware to accommodate new computer tech and OS upgrades. Those in the industry just know to never update anything on the first version – in fact, most of them wait until a full version passes before updating. And even then, there can and almost always is a remaining compatibility issue or trade-off involved.
 
The 13.6.5 update is causing trouble with the bridgeOS (T1&T2) chipped Macs. Crashing on shutdown. In the past I was seeing this with iMac Pros and certain Thunderbolt devices attached. Now I get it on a 2019 i9 MacBook Pro as well, that was fine before the update. Now I get error messages after every reboot stating there was a crash and an error referring to the bridge system.

All my audio and video apps and pluggies are working fine. But I am NOT updating the primary DAW to 13.6.5 yet. No way I'd be on 14 yet.
Zero issues with Logic Pro and multiple VSTs and AUs on my 2019 Mac Pro running 13.6.5. It is also running surprisingly flawless on my 2012 MBP thanks to OCLP.

I also have a 2020 and a 2019 iMac on 13.6.5 at home (both also running smooth as butter)

I do agree with your last statement though, and will NOT be moving any of my machines to Sonoma anytime soon.

Tim Cook and Federighi need to resign ASAP.
 
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Yes. I toggled off the setting in Trackpad Settings and it seems to have fixed it, at least for now... Strangely, it started happening after I charged the trackpad, not after I upgraded..
Now it's stopped working again...... It's like being back on Windows..... Trackpad off and back on - not working. Oh, wait, toggle on and off the setting, try a few times. Nothing... Now it's suddenly working again.....
 
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"...Found a workaround by granting Full Disk Access to certain processes"... This, somehow at the behest of Microsoft and HP? Two poster pets (used to be "poster children" until philanthropists and advertisers recognized that we all respond more favorably towards pets) of sloppy design and quality control, dirty dealing, loophole threading and malicious compliance?

Oracle had a very pretty Americas Cup Racing Cat. I haven't tangled with Java lately, but I remember JRE was chronic boil on Security's butt.

Not to let Apple off their hook for sloppy design and quality control, dirty dealing, loophole threading and malicious compliance. But it's just possible that lots of software happened run by leveraging the vulnerabilities that were patched.

Some software/hardware publishers are aware they're coding on thin ice, but wait to be FORCED to make repairs, to dodge potential shareholder retaliation over the potential product cadence delays.

All that said (because I can't help myself), 14.4 is running fine on my 2019 MBP. HP laser printer drivers, audio loopbacks, displays and bluetooth, scanners and digital camera via USB. I probably wouldn't have been aware there was a problem.
 
In my case, the universal control disconnection issue was resolved after the update. (MacBook Pro M1max)
 
Lately I find more reasons NOT to upgrade than upgrade, that's bad I think. I'm still running Monterey and sporting an iPhone 8! I use to get a new iPhone every year and ran Beta software after WWDC every year until iPhone 8. Nothing seems to be worth the upgrade to me. I just don't like change if it's not going to help do what I need it to do, or do something amazing, or worse just break things I use!

Apple use to pull off crazy new updates so I wanted to upgrade, but lately nothing magical or crazy has happened. Sometimes I feel an upgrade is a downgrade.

If Apple starts to innovate more, push things to the limit, I'm on board even if it breaks things. If Apple pulls off AI on device and it's real good...I see a new iPhone in the offing, even at the expenses of losing my beloved Touch ID. I have the M1 iMac and was ready to buy the new one "if" it had just added promotion, or a larger screen, maybe offer more memory.

I just wish Mac upgrades were more intriguing, faster, less bugs, less loss of functionality. But I guess it's my fault for having older software and peripherals, but I get tired of the quirks or having to fix things that were not broken.

Maybe I'm just old. er. but I'm starting to hate new things, more settings and too many choices, I just want it to work, that's why I switch to Apple like 16 years ago, there was less options, less things to look into, every new OS seemed like something HUGE was added and I had to upgrade.😆
 
Ventura was solid on my MBAir M1. Maybe a crash every 3 to 4 months at best, and probably because I did something dumb. After Sonoma... it kept crashing, sometimes 5 times in one day, often at random. Updates fixed some of it, but it still crashes periodically after being put to sleep. I'll start it up, it'll run for minute, I'll get the spinning beach ball, and boom - down it goes. So much for Apple's vaunted hardware and OS integration that was so reliable for years.
 
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I'm leaving the apple platform if they don't roll out a new OS every year....Said. No one. Ever.
Apple seriously needs to consider a longer gap between major macOS releases. Consider the last time we had more than 1 year gap between releases was between Mountain Lion and Mavericks. And Mavericks definitely cleaned up a lot of problems that started with Lion. Every release since then seems like it is a rushed hobble of barely tested tweaks trying to keep parity with messaging features in iOS, or update a Mail app that I am going to guess less than 20% of the install base actually uses.
 
FIRE THE BETA TESTERS YOUR OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
10 days late and millions already updated tsk tsk...🤷‍♂️
 
Tim Cook and Federighi need to resign ASAP.
I'll bet both of them get a really sad when they get down to your comment on page 6 of a thread they would never read in the first place. How insensitive can a person be..? Then Craig will see his reflection in the monitor and forget all about it.., unless he has nano texture, but would he ever select nano texture when it clearly doesn't reflect well on him..?
 
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Printer Operation
Removed or Corrupted Drivers
The update may remove or corrupt printer drivers. Specifically, the core CUPS software for printing operations over a network seems to be removed.

That's a pile of nonsense. There is no suggestion in the linked article that CUPS is removed. None of the people reporting the issue have that problem. This is at least the second time you've gotten this wrong.

The problem is with Microsoft Defender, probably due to some screwup Apple introduced, but possibly due to a Microsoft error. Defender seems to be blocking access to CUPS' socket. There is a workaround described in the article as well.

(Oh, and CUPS is not "for printing operations over a network". Though it does do that.)
 
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hat said, there's no way a group of a few thousand beta testers can anticipate everything that hundreds of millions of endusers may be doing with their Macs.
Sorry but I disagree. Firstly one argument for the Apple tax and their relatively limited range of products/control of the OS is exactly that they CAN make a better fist of it than a typical Windows machine, that could be high quality or dog excreta in terms of compatability.

Second, only a few thousand beta testers? From casually looking even at Macrumours it seems to be a metric F tonne of people bragging about using a beta milliseconds after it comes out [well you get the picture...] Maybe not all betas are equal or distributed to the "masses", and I guess out of that F tonne of hobbyist testers, most just use it for the latest emoji pack and bragging rights that they are on build 5433 rather than current stock. The why to such is best left to psychologists to wonder about.

But release after release with Apple's legendary software QA and attention to detail, it seems that there are many issues that are hardly obscure, e.g. Calendar closes with an error if you enter a date of 13 March 1975 and write in the subject line of the entry "Perkele".

If only a fraction of Cook's nose for nickel and diming could be used on software QA, maybe even focussing on the important real core stuff and reliability then "woohoo another 150 emojis and a talking head animation program" we might actually get some half-decent release.

I've been only using Macs personally for a shade under 30 years. Before that I used them at work, swore AT them and not BY them, as those lovely bombs used to love coming just before production deadline. Many commentators have noted that there was a golden time for stability and some feature development. Now it is a tacky lottery. There are no doubt some features I personally don't care for, or use, that I accept might be useful for some. A lot of "new stuff" seems to be polishing around the t--d though.

Have a sprint for stability and get a bedrock back again. And fix the bloody Finder for once and for all. It's a joke of a GUI if you do more than click a file on your local drive every so often. [slight hyperbole, but Finder users will know it is not rock solid by any means, especially with those new-fangled network accesses].
 
How long did that take you? Five minutes can seem like forever to some.
Might have been five minutes for you [or me]. It could be hours for my father before he phones me and says the Internet is broken... It might cost 50-100 dollars/euros for someone without a support network and no real clue about computers [the market Apple used to brag about targetting as "It just works"] to get a computer store to [try to] fix it and not upsell them another computer etc - there are rogues out there. "Oh that machine is too old/not supported longer/that's why the printer stopped working -- here's a nice new supported shiny shiny only 1500 euros with Apple tax..."
 
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you could rest assured that heads rolled... He ran a much tighter ship.
It feels that only two departments now get the full support.

1. Nickel and diming department, reporting to T Cook.
2 Boasting about support to "good causes" and the like, reporting to T Cook.
3. Emojis and tacky animation sh-t - reporting to some veep no doubt. Craig possibly.

Engineering, QA, etc... pah, cost centres. We're a mega trillion dollar company with a captive/sheepy audience on the main. They'll be back with their money regardless because "Wow MacOS Wholesale District is coming, with 500 emojis including with our demands for total equality everywhere transsexual Asian-looking Finnish horses."




* For the avoidance of doubt, and it is sad you have to point this out to the "can't read" generation, but this point is satire and does not seek to dismiss the trans lobby, but merely points out some things go in extremis.
 
I'll bet both of them get a really sad when they get down to your comment on page 6 of a thread they would never read in the first place. How insensitive can a person be..? Then Craig will see his reflection in the monitor and forget all about it.., unless he has nano texture, but would he ever select nano texture when it clearly doesn't reflect well on him..?
You could be sure that if Apple does have some poor intern trawling social media and forums for "sentiment" they probably wouldn't incorporate "There is a growing sentiment of unhappiness with Apple's OS upgrades and reliability with some calls being made for senior management including the CEO to be dismissed due to their alleged incompetent leadership and supervision."

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This is why Microsoft splits up their feature and security updates.
That's why I still run Monterey.

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