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macOS Sonoma Tidbits: New FaceTime UI, Safari Profiles, Screen Sharing Improvements, and More
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Sadly no offline access. I went offline and was able to add notes to Keep, but when I closed it and reopened, it wouldn’t let me in without internet. And when I reconnected, none of the offline notes were there. I even tried soft close (Cmd W/Red button) but no dice.
Yes, they automatically show in Launchpad and in your user Applications folder (not in the general Applications folder with the other apps).
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have you any idea of a cross platform app that works offline? being a mac/ipad/android user is hard dude
thank you so much for trying brother
have you any idea of a cross platform app that works offline? being a mac/ipad/android user is hard dude
gotcha, just like chrome webapps then! it also means they're installed just for you, and not for all users, while regular applications are available to ANY user./profile
but can you NOT move them to general applications folder, manually?
No problem. I hear that, no sorry, it sounds like there should be but I’m not aware which ones.
Interesting, yes, they can indeed be moved over. I just dragged them over and they moved over completely.
The first thing I am doing when I upgrade is creating the Macrumors web app.
Tab Groups are also insanely useful. In my job I have to work on multiple projects and frequently have half a dozen tabs open for each. Now (as long as I'm careful), I can just switch from project to project in a single browser window. When I come back to a project, the tabs are exactly as I left them. SO much better than just leaving stuff open or trying to make bookmarks for groups of tabs.
Works great for personal use as well. If I'm researching air conditioners, I can open 15 tabs related to that, save it as a tab group, and then close the whole window knowing I can come back to it any time. Also, all this syncs with iCloud so you can start on one Mac (or iPhone or iPad) and pick back up on another.
perfect. moved over completely,meaning they aren't just copied, and disappeared from user applications, right? they're now only in /applications
PWAs (Web Apps) FTW. It took Apple long enough, but it appears they have fully committed. Thanks Apple. Not many remember, but this comes full circle. Steve believed in web apps promise and Apple committed to them initially, but the tech was not there hence XCode & the App Store. Now PWAs are really amazingly powerful, and most apps in the App Store could and should be PWAs -- notably since browsers have been working a long time on privacy protection while running in a very unfriendly environment (the www). Anyway, I now have to go update my app instructions re: running it as a PWA on Mac which previously noted the strange lack of PWAs on Safari Mac (while they are quite good on iOS & ipadOS). Edge & Chrome can now take a back seat to Safari - yeah.
Correct, I dragged them over and they moved to /apps. No longer in user apps.
Does Sonoma finally bring us the Volume Indicator at the SIDE of the screen?!?!? I thought we were gonna get that years ago. Long overdue.
Remember, Safari is still running the web app as if it were a web page. The difference it that it appears to be a stand-alone app, and all the HTML, JS, CSS, etc. files get downloaded, and your app local storage area is now separate from your browser content. The latter point is very important because local storage can be deleted somewhat arbitrarily by your browser, and is much safer re: deletion if it is a web app.
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I think you're confused about what PWAs (Progressive Web Apps) are. Safari isn't magically converting websites into PWAs. Safari on macOS has supported PWAs for years. This Sonoma feature is simply the same as what iOS does when you add a website to the Home screen. It creates a mini "website wrapper" app that loads that specific website when launched. Third-party solutions have solved this for years, and now it's a native macOS feature.
PWAs requires that a website be built in a certain way to allow for "offline" usage. The app can continue to operate via JavaScript-based "web workers" without an internet connection, and can then send data to the server once that connection is re-established. It brings a more natural "native-like" behaviour to web apps.
Yes — when a web app IS built as a PWA, and then it truly does behave like a local, native app, but these are two different technologies at play.
You're thinking about PWAs (Progressive Web Apps), which is not what this Sonoma feature is. The website itself would need to be built as a PWA to work offline. This Sonoma feature works for EVERY website — regular websites, regular web apps that require a server connection, and PWAs, which can work offline.
This Sonoma feature is not some magical PWA wrapper. The developer of the web app still needs to implement the web workers to make it a true PWA.
To answer your question, this is like a "mini web browser" for a single web app/site, so yes, all of the standard browser features would be there — caching, history, etc. But it's isolated from the main Safari browser, and would have a simplified interface.
Who remembers the days when you had to purchase the next macOS release? We live in an entirely different (and spoiled) world now.
I don't know how many bugs they fixed in mail, but there is a new one. When the system wakes up, mail looks like has crashed during sleep.
FaceTime UI and Reactions
Apple has changed the way FaceTime integrates with the menu bar. The video effects options no longer appear in the Control Center, and instead have a new home in a dedicated green FaceTime menu bar item, which also includes a mini webcam view and buttons to trigger Reactions.
Reactions include Love, Like, Dislike, Balloons, Rain, Confetti, Lasers, and Fireworks. Some reactions are even triggered automatically by the user's physical actions: One thumb up triggers a Like, and two thumbs up are attended by Fireworks. Similarly, one thumb down counts as a dislike, and two thumbs down initiates a rain shower.
Infantilization of the UI continues...
I'd gladly go back to paying for a rock solid, de-emojified and bloatware free macOS.
The yearly updates have destroyed the core stability of the OS while adding superficial "features" no one asked for.
thanks for clarification , but it could still allow cahing like pwa right? if the website dev adds service worker , it could work offline, too
I was wondering why no manifest was needed. I guess Apple has replaced the service worker with something else. Still happy that Apple has perhaps "extended" the concept of a web app. The manifest, service worker etc. were a layer of complexity that perhaps is not needed. Making "any page" a web app is a really good solution (as long as local storage independence stays the same). Will test our setup soon re: new Safari.
Not sure why/how you mean this. Here is what Apple support site says prior to current Safari update:
...However, you can't with the Safari browser. Apple are sadly years behind with allowing this but if you can bring yourself to do it......
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Does Mac Safari(16.1) support PWA to add … - Apple Community
We looked for a means to instruct users how to install our page as a web app with Safari, but could find nothing. All web content related to this issue said Safari Mac did not support PWAs. Likely we missed something, but if it was that hard to find it was of no use to parents looking to install our FOSS math app as a PWA.
Meh, back in the day every WWDC had a big long list of new iChat and Photo Booth effects, this is no different.