The iPadOS UI is beautiful, intuitive, and modern. I love it! macOS has a lot to learn from iPadOS. Because iPadOS does it right and there’s a reason it appeals more to modern users, just saying… 🤷🏼♂️. Bring on the “iPadOS UI”, because I absolutely love it! 👍🏻
It’s interesting to read of different perspectives like this.
I think the roundness is an aesthetic preference thing, but I just find it to look more modern. Similar to more modern OSes like iOS, iPadOS, ChromeOS, Android, etc. I like that it looks closer to iPadOS, It just seems more modern to me. 👍🏻. I’ve never really been a fan of blocky UI, I hated Windows 10s design language because of all the hard square blocky design elements. Windows 11 is slightly better, but still not as good as iPadOS design in my opinion. iPadOS is my absolute favorite platform, especially in terms of aesthetic. 👍🏻
you can customize the toolbar to 'show icons & text'...
Making MacOS more iPad like makes MacOS less user friendly. People use their Macs to get work done, not just scroll through Instagram and take photos like on iPad. They should have different UI/UX as they are used differently - especially at the input level.
Interesting! I agree with you on the iOS side of things because, with these being generally smaller devices and having a different OS, I find the roundness makes sense with my natural finger-to-screen association. Also, I like how the roundness compliments the nature of the device form itself.
What does it look like with 'show icons & text' applied?
I disagree. Many users have an iPhone or iPad before they own a Mac, so making the system more consistent makes more sense in my opinion. And people use their iPads to get work done. Many use iPads for productivity, and not just “scrolling through Instagram and taking photos”… 🤦🏼♂️🙄. I use my iPad for productivity, to manage my business and do professional freelance graphic design work, as well as 3D modeling, sculpting, some video editing, audio editing, etc. Many others use the iPad productively as well…
For buttons, I don’t think buttons need to be square. Buttons house glyphs that only take up so much space. Most glyphs can equally fit in a circle or a square. So a round button shape vs square doesn’t really make any difference. You don’t really need hard corners for most software buttons, they stack next to each other in a row the same. It’s just that the square buttons waste more space for the button kind of needlessly… Like insisting a base for a lamp on a desk must be square instead or round because “it’s more space efficient”, when, in reality, it just adds extra material to the base to add corners onto it… 🤷🏼♂️
That’s fine, I respect that. I get that most desktop monitors and the older MacBook models have hard corners, but I think part of this is because newer MacBook models have rounded display corners, and I wouldn’t be shocked if the next Studio Display has rounded corners, along with the next iMac. So for many current and probably most future models of Mac, I think it does make sense. Though if you’re using it on a display with hard corners, it may not be quite as visually appealing. To be honest though, to me, I like the rounded corners even though my desktop monitor I use with my Mac Mini has hard corners. I just generally like the way it looks. 👍🏻. But as this is a matter of preference, I totally respect that others may not find it as appealing. 👍🏻
Personally, I really don’t see much difference in utility to be honest… 🤷🏼♂️. I don’t usually need to read the whole title of a document while I’m working on it, I just need to do that when I open it initially. So I don’t really understand how that would make any functional difference, but it does mean that it’s easier and more intuitive now to find the save and export options for documents now because you just click the button next to the tile, and you get those options right there in the UI just like on the iPad. Personally, I think that is nicer. 🤷🏼♂️
Perhaps, or, make the buttons smaller, though I really don’t know why large buttons are an issue for a cursor. They make it faster to click buttons because you don’t need to be as precise. I mean, for something where lots of options need to be surface level, by all means, make little buttons. But I don’t really know why we should purposefully make buttons needlessly small just to make it “cursor optimized”. Personally, I value the UIs being more similar for ease of switching between the platforms. It’s more convenient when I need to make an edit to a document and I happen to be at my desk without my iPad, and then I can essentially use it exactly the same. All my muscle memory carries over. I like the unified approach. 👍🏻
I had an iPad Pro as I fell for the marketing about how productive you could be as a designer when in fact I found it to be the complete opposite. Getting content onto the device and into the apps was a lesson in frustration, especially with no real robust file manager (Files app is not robust). Font management and precision working another tale of despair. After 3 months I sold it. That's just my experience of course Im sure others may agree with you but quite a few of my designer friends fell into the same trap as I did and subsequently sold theirs or use it simply to consume content while they create on their Macs.
Singularly a circle takes up less space I agree, sometimes the ambiguous tick in a circle on its own looks good, however If you have two or more then you start wasting space. The analogy of a lamp on a table doesn't work against my argument as Im talking about the extra padding required to separate all the circles so they look 'ok' together. If they're too close together it looks messy. With squares and rectangles you can sit things closer together (or touching) and they look far neater while using less space.
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He was not “booted from the company”, he left for other opportunities at other firms. There is no evidence I’ve seen anywhere that he was “booted” or that there were “internal fights” or any of that…
I don’t really see any difference between Finder and Files. They’re nearly identical in terms of UI. But to each their own. I’m the opposite, I couldn’t really replace my iPad with a MacBook. Not at least without dramatic compromises and downgrades for my workflow… 🤷🏼♂️
I don’t really see any difference between the padding. Circles can be touching or near touching as well… 🤷🏼♂️. And the squares are actually using more space, because they’re adding unnecessary corners… 🤷🏼♂️
I don’t know that that is going to make much difference for most web development… 🤷🏼♂️.
That is very interesting, perhaps that’s why I‘ve always preferred more rounded UI elements over blocky ones. Rounded corners feel more organic and smooth to me. And they feel more modern. 🙂👍🏻Do observers like curvature or do they dislike angularity? - PMC
Humans have a preference for curved over angular shapes, an effect noted by artists as well as scientists. It may be that people like smooth curves or that people dislike angles, or both. We investigated this phenomenon in four experiments. Using ...
That article certainly supports some of the assertions that the extra roundness in Liquid Glass has some calming effect (window corners and toolbar icons). It's interesting that the extra rounding of the window has introduced the need for an exaggerated sharpness effect.
Does anyone have a reference to Steve Jobs talking about how they chose the window corner curvature? I've read that he made the point that it was a carefully made decision. I wonder if he discussed the psychological trade-offs.
I don’t understand how this UI would work for a touchscreen-based Mac.
I’n sure some will find that helpful. In the macOS era, I find that I often have to rely on the combination of icons with text such as in Mail. However, text under icons in Tahoe adds another layer of obscurity where content and controls blend.
huh? how does text add 'another layer of obscurity'? if you can read this post, you can make use of text in the pages toolbar. this option can also be found in safari, mail... it's not new ('show icons & text')
yes, in Mail. still not getting how the toolbar in Pages showing 'icons & text' adds 'another layer of obscurity'? how so?
I am a professional freelance graphic designer. I don’t do web design, but am familiar with it, and have dabbled some with html. I design static works like brochures, posters, etc. And I have a friend who is a web developer, he doesn’t have any issue with the rounded window corners either… 🤷🏼♂️
