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i used to wipe my drive & start over, i haven't done that in years. i updated last night (16june) and anticipated sorting out issues today; instead, am just working. and my mac is running fast & stable (well, so far).

nice for a first beta 👍
 
I'm tempted to upgrade, but I'm afraid of encountering issues that could affect my work, as happened when I upgraded to the first developer beta for Sequoia.
 
I'm tempted to upgrade, but I'm afraid of encountering issues that could affect my work, as happened when I upgraded to the first developer beta for Sequoia.

To be fair, it's never recommended to install any beta on a primary device, especially one used for work. Some people are willing to take that risk, but for every one of them, there's easily thousands who can't afford the risk.
 
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To be fair, it's never recommended to install any beta on a primary device, especially one used for work. Some people are willing to take that risk, but for every one of them, there's easily thousands who can't afford the risk.
II understand, and I've learned my lesson from last time. Therefore, this time, I must be patient. :p
 
II understand, and I've learned my lesson from last time. Therefore, this time, I must be patient. :p
Obviously ymmv, but I have a personal MBP 16 M1 Pro and a M4 Air at work. (I'm the IT admin). I have been happy enough with the perofmrnace of the beta on my personal machine, I may install it on my work laptop
 
Day 7 of full production work. Only issues I have encountered are: (M4 Max/128GB/4TB)

1. Safari stops loading randomly. A refresh of the page makes it work
2. If you start a file copy (large transfers), the mic and audio system gets corrupted during zoom and team calls. Just stopping the file transfer clears up the issue
3. Random slow downs which go away on their own
4. slow exports from capture one

When I upgraded the experience wasn't that great. A clean install did wonders in performance.

Everything else is working great for me. I know it's a dev beta and am not complaining. Just sharing my observations. and yes, I am stupid enough to run beta version on production work. I've done it since my first Mac in 1998 and don't intent on stopping.
 
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I told myself I was going to wait until the public beta to try it out, but I lost that bet pretty quickly. So I backed up my system drive, made a recovery drive for Sequoia, crossed my fingers and hit it.

Tahoe in my opinion is the experience tying the redesign together. I was trying out iOS and iPad OS already and while I liked some of the new visual design elements, they didn't seem like something big. Just more transparency, moving a few elements around, etc. But Tahoe is a dream to use. The layered glass interface, the floating left panels, the subtle colouring hints pulled out of the wallpaper, the rounded everything, it's gorgeous honestly. All the ideas present in the iOS and iPadOS interface redesign get taken a few steps further in macOS, and you start to get why they bothered changing it all at once. It's going to be a massive change, and the best way to learn your way around, is to be immersed in it, hence the updates being coordinated.

And I figured with a change this big there were going to be some major bugs present, but to my surprise, I haven't run into anything so far. iOS has been buggier than macOS has been. I haven't gotten numbers yet but apps like games feel like they're a little snappier. I'm glad I gave it a try, looking forward to it getting even better in the meantime.
 
Just wanted to share my experience with the macOS Tahoe beta so far, and honestly, it's the best beta performance I've ever seen.

For context, I'm running an M3 Max with 48GB of RAM, and after installing the system, I did a full factory reset for a completely clean slate. This might be contributing to my amazing experience.

The responsiveness is incredible – everything feels super snappy. Safari is flying, and I haven't experienced any crashes or issues with other software. As for the design, it clearly has a lot of potential. It feels like a perfect blend of modern aesthetics and some of the beautiful elements from older macOS versions.

For developers out there, all my developer tools and Homebrew installed without a hitch, so you likely won't encounter any problems if you're coding. And for creative professionals, I've had no issues whatsoever with Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro.

And a special shout-out to the new Spotlight – it's absolutely fantastic! It seriously boosts my productivity and allows me to work 2-3 times faster. On top of that, applications themselves seem to open much quicker too.

Frankly, I don't see any reason to roll back. This might be one of the most enjoyable macOS updates for me personally.
Well duh, you're running it as a clean install on an M3 Max with 48 GB RAM. The fact that it runs well isn't exactly impressive even for a beta...

The bigger question is, how does it run on Intels? I haven't seen anyone with an Intel report back yet. If Apple is making this the last version to support Intel it better be usable...
 
If I'm having issues, I usually create a new user. That gives a pretty fresh start. Since this was a 1st beta of a new system and I recently created a new user, I did erase and install and it has been much better. Looking forward to the next update.
How do you transfer everything from your current user efficiently?
 
How do you transfer everything from your current user efficiently?
Just using iCloud puts it all in place for me. Make a new user, sign in to iCloud with the same account and it all shows up! Time Machine is almost a thing of the past for me now with iCloud.
 
I told myself I was going to wait until the public beta to try it out, but I lost that bet pretty quickly. So I backed up my system drive, made a recovery drive for Sequoia, crossed my fingers and hit it.

Tahoe in my opinion is the experience tying the redesign together. I was trying out iOS and iPad OS already and while I liked some of the new visual design elements, they didn't seem like something big. Just more transparency, moving a few elements around, etc. But Tahoe is a dream to use. The layered glass interface, the floating left panels, the subtle colouring hints pulled out of the wallpaper, the rounded everything, it's gorgeous honestly. All the ideas present in the iOS and iPadOS interface redesign get taken a few steps further in macOS, and you start to get why they bothered changing it all at once. It's going to be a massive change, and the best way to learn your way around, is to be immersed in it, hence the updates being coordinated.

And I figured with a change this big there were going to be some major bugs present, but to my surprise, I haven't run into anything so far. iOS has been buggier than macOS has been. I haven't gotten numbers yet but apps like games feel like they're a little snappier. I'm glad I gave it a try, looking forward to it getting even better in the meantime.
I wouldn't even be mad if this was the final release, I've been using it as my primary OS for a week and it's incredible with almost no bugs. Extremely surprised.

Best macOS in decades for me, and I agree the UI seems more tied together here than e.g. on iPad currently. They have a lot of work ahead of them for those other platforms but I feel like Tahoe could be buttoned up in a few weeks. I've used .0 releases that were far worse than Tahoe Beta 2.
 
I just created a boot disk for Tahoe and formatted the drive/reinstalled. https://mrmacintosh.com
For a clean install, is there a way to find the InstallAssistan.pkg on Apple's dev site? I can only find the ipsw-files, but non-Apple sites, such as the one quoted, list the full URL to InstallAssistant. Or does upgrading to the beta via system settings download the full package I can then create install media from as per usual?

EDIT: After downloading via system settings, and naively running
Code:
sudo find . -mtime -1 -size +1G
here and there in user/root library and system dirs there are some candidates as to where system settings downloaded OS data, but nothing that can be immediately used, like the old installer dmg, or the mentioned InstallAssistant.pkg.
 
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For a clean install, is there a way to find the InstallAssistan.pkg on Apple's dev site? I can only find the ipsw-files, but non-Apple sites, such as the one quoted, list the full URL to InstallAssistant. Or does upgrading to the beta via system settings download the full package I can then create install media from as per usual?

EDIT: After downloading via system settings, and naively running
Code:
sudo find . -mtime -1 -size +1G
here and there in user/root library and system dirs there are some candidates as to where system settings downloaded OS data, but nothing that can be immediately used, like the old installer dmg, or the mentioned InstallAssistant.pkg.
i put commands in another thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/make-bootable-tahoe-usb-installer.2458565/post-33976133

to display such links in terminal
 
For a clean install, is there a way to find the InstallAssistan.pkg on Apple's dev site? I can only find the ipsw-files, but non-Apple sites, such as the one quoted, list the full URL to InstallAssistant. Or does upgrading to the beta via system settings download the full package I can then create install media from as per usual?

EDIT: After downloading via system settings, and naively running
Code:
sudo find . -mtime -1 -size +1G
here and there in user/root library and system dirs there are some candidates as to where system settings downloaded OS data, but nothing that can be immediately used, like the old installer dmg, or the mentioned InstallAssistant.pkg.
I always use direct Apple links from here


Also has instructions to create a bootable USB
 
As said, there is no point in doing this, and erasing the entire internal disk can brick your Mac, because the other volumes, like the PreBoot, are essential.

The OS is effectively a disk image, on a read-only volume. It doesn't get altered by anything you do to it. If it is modified, it will not boot. You're not going to have bits of Sonoma left over, after you've installed Sequoia.

The Data volume is where everything is written, and just erasing that makes it "factory". Same as an iPad or iPhone.
How exactly do you just erase the data volume without having to reinstall the OS? Where is this setting? For ages, I've installed on top of previous versions of macOS, and I would like to start clean w/o having to wipe my entire SSD and reinstall when macOS 26 is released later this fall.
 
How exactly do you just erase the data volume without having to reinstall the OS?
System Settings > General > Transfer of Reset > Erase All Content and Settings.

This does exactly that. It erases the data volume, starting the user stuff over again from scratch. At the same time, it leaves the OS "factory fresh" (which it always is anyway).

So this fall, when macOS 26 is released, you could perform the upgrade first and then erase all content and settings. Or you could do it by erasing all content and settings first, and then upgrading. If you choose the second option, I think you'll be prompted to upgrade during setup before recreating your user account. Either way, the end result will be the same.
 
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I always use direct Apple links from here


Also has instructions to create a bootable USB

Thanks both of you, the .sucatalog plist-files seem useful! (someone must have figured out the sucatalog-url to beta3 by now - the file isn't index-36beta-1.sucatalog or index-36seed-1.sucatalog at least :p) I guess I had hoped to find InstallAssistant by simply browsing the dev site, as opposed to only ipsw-files.

Anyway, downloading via system settings stages the upgrade to happen on next reboot so I guess I'm stuck for the moment and have to do a clean install at a later point. Maybe I won't reboot for a while... but then again, I almost never reboot.
 
System Settings > General > Transfer of Reset > Erase All Content and Settings.

This does exactly that. It erases the data volume, starting the user stuff over again from scratch. At the same time, it leaves the OS "factory fresh" (which it always is anyway).
This seems practical, iOS-style! So if this deletes or "factory resets" everything on the writable volume, it *should* be the same as a clean install, right?
 
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For ages, I've installed on top of previous versions of macOS, and I would like to start clean w/o having to wipe my entire SSD and reinstall when macOS 26 is released later this fall.
The separation of the OS and "everything else" means just erasing the Data volume is a "factory reset', just leaving the OS and an empty volume. Of course, the "clean install" will only be as clean as what you install. If you restore your entire disk from TM, then you're back where you started!

(I haven't done a clean install since 2004. 🤣 )
 
Thanks both of you, the .sucatalog plist-files seem useful! (someone must have figured out the sucatalog-url to beta3 by now - the file isn't index-36beta-1.sucatalog or index-36seed-1.sucatalog at least :p) I guess I had hoped to find InstallAssistant by simply browsing the dev site, as opposed to only ipsw-files.

Anyway, downloading via system settings stages the upgrade to happen on next reboot so I guess I'm stuck for the moment and have to do a clean install at a later point. Maybe I won't reboot for a while... but then again, I almost never reboot.
it is in index-36seed-1.sucatalog for beta 3

do this in terminal

Code:
for file in $(curl -# https://swscan.apple.com/content/catalogs/others/index-26seed-1.sucatalog | grep com_apple_MobileAsset_MacSoftwareUpdate.plist | grep -Evw '(com_apple_MobileAsset_MacSoftwareUpdate.plist.integrityDataV1)' | sed -e s/"<string>"//g -e s/"<\/string>"//g -e s/\ //g); do
curl -s $file | egrep -A 1 -m 2 '(>Build<|OSVersion)' | sed -e s/"<string>"//g -e s/"<\/string>"//g -e s/\ //g | sed -e s/"<key>"//g -e s/"<\/key>"//g -e s/\ //g
echo $file | sed -e "s/com_apple_MobileAsset_MacSoftwareUpdate.plist/InstallAssistant.pkg/g"
done

and u see this

Code:
            Build
            25A5306g
--
            OSVersion
            26.0
https://swcdn.apple.com/content/downloads/61/52/082-72240-A_VHBIKMBYNV/rg76pd3i6jfl1zpi4uy7spxgcnrb7e1olo/InstallAssistant.pkg

that's beta 3
 
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