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macOS Tahoe still terrible with bugs even with 26.2
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jchap
macrumors 6502a
We been hearing about executives leaving @Apple, perhaps competent programmers too?
Has anybody else experienced switching between apps with editable text, like Xcode, the moment you switch to it the text selection is jumpy? Also sometimes even typing text to Terminal is laggy.
If I make that app's window go to background and make it active again fixes it.
If I make that app's window go to background and make it active again fixes it.
Andy_2341
macrumors 6502a
Is it so bad to have a playful OS instead of it feeling blocky and boring? Blocky and boring is a good part of why I hate windows. What’s wrong with a bit of round and flowing?
Man, I can't agree with the cut of this thread's jib more.
As of 26.2 Tahoe is in a bad way, and on an M4 Macbook Pro I just bought!
(I also think Liquid Glass is kind of ugly? I mean, who knows, really, because--as with the rounded corners--it just isn't implemented consistently across Mac apps. Alan Dye's departure suggests to me that some love may have been lost over it?)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As of 26.2 Tahoe is in a bad way, and on an M4 Macbook Pro I just bought!
- For me, the 26.2 update brought with it annoying rendering bugs all over the place. With a dark wallpaper and no background on the menu bar, a single-pixel-wide white line creeps across the top of the screen as you run through menu options; renaming files in the finder pushes the rename cursor and text box for the file into the sidebar; dock animations slow if you've got something next to the trash; etcetera etcetera etcetera
- I lost my ability to speak a few years back to cancer and I rely on my iPhone's accessibility "Live Speech" feature to interact with people who need to hear a spoken voice from me. It's a little glitchy on the iPhone (for some reason, it uses much less sophisticated voice models than "spoken text" and other accessibility features) but it works for the most part, particularly on telephone calls. On the Mac, on Tahoe, however, it's a complete non-starter, a non-functional dumpster fire. The biggest problem is security: whether you like it or not (there's no feature enable / disable switch) everything you "speak" with your phone gets sent to iCloud and synchronized down to your Mac--in *an unencrypted flat text file* that ends up in your user/library/preferences folder. Is this information encrypted on iCloud? Who knows. And remember, that's my "voice" we're talking about, everything I speak with people out there int he world, and everything I "say" while "talking" with people on the phone. Oh, but it gets worse! (!) The iCloud sync that you can't control actually syncs everything you've said on the phone TO THE WRONG PLACE on the Mac: it shoves literally everything you've said into the app's "saved phrase" bin, which was intended for you to have a couple of quick bookmarked things at the ready ("Yes" "No" "Please" "Thanks" etc). And, because the sync that you can't turn off is shoving everything in the wrong place, you can't use the App UI to delete these phrases. AND then they get synced BACK to the "saved phrase" bin on the iPhone, screwing up that functionality. I mean, geez. The whole thing . . . it's just so agonizingly clear that nobody ever tested it. Or even thought about the security implications of recording everything someone might "say" to a text prefs file in iCloud that you can't control or delete . . . .
- The new rounded app corners SUCK so hard, in part because only a fraction of apps--even a fraction of APPLE'S OWN APPS--actually comply with that change! So if you've got Safari open in front of Numbers, for example, you get Safari's more rounded corners cutting across Numbers's less-rounded corners. Like . . . what's the point of UI standards if you aren't consistently following your own?
- I dunno about you guys, but iCloud Private Relay still reliably cuts my download speed in half and knocks my upload speed to about 10% of its potential.
- Apple Pay on the Mac gets confused about computing sales tax by location and fails most of the time. (Is that because I have iCloud Private Relay on and therefore my reported location isn't exact? Interesting conflict within the company there?)
- As on the iPhone, updating continues to "Darkpath" a bunch Apple features they want you to buy into, but you may not want or need. Like how everytime I updated my iPhone (even just a point release) for the past five years, live photos and game center were turned back on. If I had the phone set to LTE, that got pushed back to 5G Auto. And the default "call" app got switched from cellular to FaceTime. Anyway the Mac is doing the same thing now, with the update automatically engaging both File Vault and auto OS updating. I turned both of those things off for a reason. Why can't they respect that?
(I also think Liquid Glass is kind of ugly? I mean, who knows, really, because--as with the rounded corners--it just isn't implemented consistently across Mac apps. Alan Dye's departure suggests to me that some love may have been lost over it?)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
jchap
macrumors 6502a
I think that some people are finding it a bit exaggerated compared to previous OS versions. Some comparisons have been drawn to toys for small children, for instance, which tend to have smoother and rounder corners for safety's sake. Other people find that the rounded corners are harder to grab with the pointer, although I'm not sure if that's really a valid point or just a perceived annoyance.
As I mentioned in a previous post, I'm not a big fan myself of the extremely rounded corners, but they don't bother me enough to make me want to whine on this forum. It's not a design choice I would have preferred, but if you like the new design language, enjoy! Haters will hate.
It's interesting to note that the radii of the rounded corners seem to match that of the MacBook Pros and Airs they are selling now.
MAC (not the fruity variant) don’t change their address, not for your Ethernet, nor for wireless. One could spoof MAC addresses depending on software/tools being used but you MAC (the fruity one) wouldn’t do that by itself.
n-evo
macrumors 68020
We had a bit of that before. Now they just went overboard. Also I really dislike all the different radiuses. Looks messy.
Bungaree.Chubbins
macrumors 65816
This is just the latest iteration of the same complaint levied against macOS since OS X 10.0. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
iSuzan
macrumors 6502a
Working with my MBP M1 Pro on Tahoe 26.2 and can open all MS programms like Outlook, Word, Excel, Teams... in fact I worked the last days (and also since the first version of Tahoe) with them without any problems.
Probably your versions are too old? Have to tried to update them?
SilentSpecter
macrumors member
Oh my god, I literally had this issue while reading MacRumors forums just now. 😂 And I thought, this is so old, I kinda accepted it as a fact of life.
ThomasJL
macrumors 68020
Tim Cook is not interested in fixing bugs. The less resources he spends for hiring people to fix bugs, the more profit Apple makes. His priority is maximizing profits, not making profits while simultaneously providing user-friendly software.
After always using safari on iPhone and Mac, there are that many issues I've downloaded Chrome!
It shouldn't have, but what caused me to have a breakdown was 'open link in new tab' and the far right tab in the menu bar would always be empty! I had to scroll past the end tab to bring it back to life and then it would update with the site icon and text. 26, 26.1, 26.2 all the same. Pointless reporting bugs as Apple never listen.
It shouldn't have, but what caused me to have a breakdown was 'open link in new tab' and the far right tab in the menu bar would always be empty! I had to scroll past the end tab to bring it back to life and then it would update with the site icon and text. 26, 26.1, 26.2 all the same. Pointless reporting bugs as Apple never listen.
jchap
macrumors 6502a
If bugs aren't fixed, this leads to decreased customer satisfaction.
Decreased customer satisfaction means less repeat purchases and less loyal customers, not to mention a worsened reputation. No company wants that.
Do you have a hotline with which you can call Tim Cook and check on his opinions regard fixing bugs? What do you know about his priorities? Have you personally checked with him on the above?
I get it, people are upset about bugs. I would doubt, though, that the CEO of Apple has no interest in fixing bugs. It's a very specious argument at best.
I would agree that Apple is profit-driven. I might even agree that Tim Cook is profit-driven, but based on what we have heard him talk about in news interviews and at the WWDCs, I wouldn't agree that Tim Cook is all about profits to the exclusion of creating a reliable product. Apple cannot maintain a profitable status without satisfying their customers and creating reliable products. Even within Cook's tenure at Apple, they've seen major reliability issues that did finally get fixed. It's not a perfect company, nor do they make perfect products. If Apple's products were so unreliable that they could not stand up under regular use, no one would want them in the first place.
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Populus
macrumors 604
So… I need another mac to put an Apple Silicon Mac into DFU mode?You need to DFU restore your Mac.
How to revive or restore Mac firmware - Apple Support
Rarely, a Mac with Apple silicon or the Apple T2 Security Chip might experience an issue that requires its firmware to be revived or restored by another Mac.support.apple.com
I still haven’t migrated from my old Intel Mac but I’m so used to do fresh installs using my bootable USB pen-drive… I do it once or twice per year.
So I’m guessing there’s no easier way to perform a clean installation of a macOS version, even if it’s a posterior version, on a Mac using a bootable USB thumb drive?
Trust me, I understand your frustration about not being able to downgrade to an older software since I was cussing left and right when iOS 7 came out because I hated the new UI it was super glitchy and how but Apple kinda has a reasonable reason for not being able to downgrade since those operating systems are, what, two-three years old and Apple knows that to be working on at the same time wouldn’t be feasible because older software, and partly hardware since they kinda do go hand in hand, can get obsolete somewhat quickly. And that can create SO MANY bugs and vulnerabilities
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-BigMac-
macrumors 68030
Apple first introduced its ongoing Public beta software in 2015. 4 years after Steves death.
Did he resurrect to implement it did he?
Instead of fancy useless graphic modifications Apple should focus on fixing bugs... but it seems that most Apple users are more interested in the looks than in usability...
Parowdy
macrumors 68000
The mouse pointer bug is so uncalled for. I don’t think even Windows has something like this.
And no, of course it’s not fixed.
SilentSpecter
macrumors member
Isn't this a trend nowadays with everything. It seems to me everything is superficial. Or maybe I'm getting old.
allan.nyholm
macrumors 68020
I think this is overkill. Just download macOS Sequoia and create an USB drive to install from. If the Mac came with Ventura or Sonoma, then it's entirely possible to just create a USB thumbdrive containing macOS Sequoia and install from that.You need to DFU restore your Mac.
How to revive or restore Mac firmware - Apple Support
Rarely, a Mac with Apple silicon or the Apple T2 Security Chip might experience an issue that requires its firmware to be revived or restored by another Mac.
Bigwaff
Contributor
Your right. For some reason I had thought they were also trying to downgrade firmware along with macOS.
csalm87
macrumors 6502
The main issue I have with the extreme rounded window corners is they are not consistent across non-apple apps, even ones that have been updated for Liquid Glass. They are MORE rounded than non-liquid Glass UI, but don't match Apple's built in apps. Liquid Glass is a work in progress and will improve over time, just like Aqua did over many iterations of Mac OS X. Give it time. It will improve.