macOS Ventura and iOS 16 Let You Edit Suggested Passwords for Site-Specific Requirements

[velocityg4]

This made me recall when I keyed a password correctly and gmail said “You changed that password 2 months ago” and Apple gives “your password can’t be the same as your last password”.

Had it been someone else trying to get into my account, they both just confirmed that I’ve used that password recently so they can go trying that in another other account of mine they might know about.

It was then I started using keychain. I use it along system of password creation “rules” to ensure I don’t forget and that they are unique. Other times I let Safari create it and adjust it manually if it needs special characters. This new ability will help out in that area.

Dang, I’ve never caught on to that. That really is messed up since they essentially confirm a password. Which would affect those who use the same password everywhere.

Not that it effects me. As I’ve been using unique passwords for a long time. Started with an encrypted spreadsheet.

 

[javanate]

Yay! I sent in this suggestion with a bunch of other people I hope. A password manager is a perfect platform lock in, I have no idea why Apple doesn't spend more time on theirs, especially the keychain UI

 

[smartwittyname]

Yeah fantastic. If, you know, you trust Apple like that.

 

[btrach144]

Honestly might be my most anticipated feature

 

[NYCValkyrie]

Good stuff but macOS Ventura really needs a separate Passwords app, or entirely redesigned Keychain Access app.

I had really hoped they'd buy 1Password. lol

 

[Ruggy]

I always write my password down first then copy and paste it. Using Mail works fine for this.
It saves a lot of problems. Firstly, because most sites expect you to retype your new password and they only display ********** so your chances of getting it right with a complex password are small- for me anyway. Takes ages too, retyping it
But secondly because the password managers sometimes do mess it up, it doesn't fit requirements or they shorten it in which case having a record of what you did is very useful.
Also if you are too quick and miss the 'do you want to save this password' dialogue then you will waste a lot of time . But I regularly don't save it that way anyway until I've gone out of the site and tested it's working.
It's a workflow that saves you a lot of time and problems.

 

[lowbatteries]

I swear it has always done this. On very stringent websites, the generated password is always accordingly far more complex.

Password fields can have an HTML attribute that gives the password rules. So sites can make sure password managers always give passwords that fit.

 

[lowbatteries]

Good stuff but macOS Ventura really needs a separate Passwords app, or entirely redesigned Keychain Access app.

There is already a Password pane in System Preferences right now. No need to use Keychain Access any more.

 

[cyanite]

I had this very issue while changing my iCloud password.

How and why would you put the password protecting the keychain in the same keychain?

Yeah fantastic. If, you know, you trust Apple like that.

Well, if you don't you can always use something else, or buy a different device.

 

[NightFox]

While I really appreciate this... I need Apple to collect a list of all the **** websites that don't accept their password conventions and... warn me this doesn't support their password creation policies, publicly list them... something to get them to change.

Whilst playing nicely with Apple's password manager is a welcome convenience, Apple should never be permitted to force their own password conventions onto the WWW, that would be a very worrying precedent. If Apple did want to encourage web sites to be easier for Apple users to authenticate on, they should just encourage more use of 'Sign in with Apple' as an option in additional to the traditional ID/password.

 

[NightFox]

Yeah fantastic. If, you know, you trust Apple like that.

Not sure I fully understand your point. If Apple wanted to do something nefarious like steal your passwords, they could just build something deep into the operating system anyway. There'd be absolutely no need to go to all the trouble of launching a legitimate service to gain access to them.

 

[Cesar Battistini]

Finally! That was a big pet peeve I had!

 

[svish]

Very happy to see an option to edit the suggested password.

 

[nutmac]

There is already a Password pane in System Preferences right now. No need to use Keychain Access any more.

The Passwords pane in System Preferences is not easily accessible. I want a dedicated Passwords app with categories, keyboard shortcut, menubar, and a resizable window.

 

[Treq]

How and why would you put the password protecting the keychain in the same keychain?

I didn't. That's the point. It didn't save it. It changed it, but didn't save it. I still had access to the keychain on signed in devices but it wasn't there. For some reason I had a different password for an iCloud email account that wasn't in my keychain so I went to change it with a secure randomly generated password and it changed my entire iCloud login password and just forgot to save it in the keychain. After trying to get in and change it back a few times it locked me out for a few days. Real pain. If it had just saved it in the keychain I could have fixed the problem but it did like it does with some sites and just forgot to save it. If it is going to randomly generate a password and not even let you see the whole thing when it does, then it HAS to save it for you 100% of the time. No matter what. It doesn't do that. Hopefully it's fixed that issue.

 

[OliOliOliOli]

Apple’s releasing Passkeys with iOS/iPadOS 16 and macOS Ventura later this year.

In effect, Face ID or Touch ID will become your easy, secure sign-in credential with the web browser, os and website handling the background complexities.

A new WWDC 22 video showing it working was published today: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2022/10092/

Do we will still need few passwords to set up a Mac and same for an iPhone and other devices?
I saw the hell with my mom 65 years old, to try to remember them, then the SIM card too, etc..

I’m helping a lot older people and in 99% of the issues are coming with passwords.

They stress when they have to confirm on a site they always go on and Safari don’t recognize the url, so don’t get the password window, tape the wrong password, then the password recovery dance start and the big mess is starting!

 

[Shin-Ra]

Do we will still need few passwords to set up a Mac and same for an iPhone and other devices?
I saw the hell with my mom 65 years old, to try to remember them, then the SIM card too, etc..

I’m helping a lot older people and in 99% of the issues are coming with passwords.

They stress when they have to confirm on a site they always go on and Safari don’t recognize the url, so don’t get the password window, tape the wrong password, then the password recovery dance start and the big mess is starting!

I haven’t seen any hint of changes to how device-passcodes work on iOS or macOS. In iOS there’s the same four options:

4-digit numeric code
6-digit numeric code
Custom numeric code
Custom alphanumeric code

Apple should probably look into Accessibility alternatives like NFC tags (physical wallet card, wristband, mats etc.) that work as an alternative to writing down device passcodes.