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Macrumors , an Apple fan site has become the most toxic Apple community I have seen and almost anti Apple
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It has become pointless calling out such people for who they because I have seen it time and time again in this forum, members leaving posts saying they have reported trolls but no action taken against them. In my opinion many many members have become disillusioned with this forum because of it and have therefore stopped being an active member of the forum.
On the contrary: I’ve learnt a bit from the arc of this particular thread and considered some points in slightly changed lighting. I find that both edifying and instructive.
You believe that "Apple has just released one of their most innovative tech products ever" and on this site you are forced to read that a majority is not unconditionally falling in love with them and are expressing critics. Poor you...
Falling in love (or, with material and cultural items, falling in desire) should happen organically.
That it may not, at scale, is neither a failing nor a character flaw by those who aren’t enchanted by that item.
Serious question, not trolling: how will this decision affect your Contributor status? And do you feel that MR does not value feedback from Contributors?
This 100%.
This is Macrumors mods:
User A posts wildly false anti Apple tirade.
User B posts "You're dumb"
User B is permanently banned. User A is promoted to super member.
It is pretended "wildly false" mostly because they have absolutely no experience outside the golden Apple cage.
Should I want to take a record of all wrong statements made on "Windows" or "PCs" from clueless Apple users, I would need a much bigger SSD.
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Seriously… I think some haven’t looked around at the options in a good long while.
This is not the Windows 8 era any longer
I can't downvote you, because Macrumors says no.
I can't simply respond "No", because Macrumors says no, even though that's all this warranted.
So I guess thanks for highlighting more reasons why Macrumors is terrible.
I don’t agree with many of the points made. And whatever one feels about the company should translate into a toxic environment here on MR.
I’m sure some feel as the above and others feel differently. With a few billion customers it’s for sure there will be different feelings.
What’s the exact dollar amount?
There’s nothing in the quote above that should cause someone to get angry enough and make MR a toxic environment. It’s more do the positives of apple outweigh the negatives?
This statement is highly dependent on what products you have.
Software always catches up to hardware.
If apples iPad product line doesn’t work for you I’m sure there are alternatives.
This should be part and percent the two eeek evaluation period — to figure out if you can live with a locked down ecosystem.
It’s true some people post outrageous things. But plenty of members discuss the subject and not the poster.
I agree with this and it is immaterial whether one is a critic or fan.
Yep.
This makes me sad because I’ve always enjoyed posts from both you and @Timo_Existencia. I totally get it though. I just read posts about the Persona improvements hoping that some folks trying the beta would chime in. I don’t need to tell you the kinds of posts that were most prevalent. It was a lot to wade through to the point I just started looking for any people like you who I recognize. You’ve both said it well so I’ll add my Me Too. My thought was to just log out and focus on news and ignore comments.
In my nearly 30-year internet use, this is one of the most toxic forums I have encountered. The OP calls MR an Apple Fan Site. That is somewhat true, but not specifically; you expect a heavy sway towards members being part of the Apple cult. I note the suggestion by the OP that it's almost anti-apple, but I'm afraid I have to disagree with that. What I see is more and more Apple users being disheartened by Apple. That's an ebbs-and-flow thing with Apple over the years, but it appears more prevalent now.
I have used Apple products longer than many members have been alive, long before the iPhone made them famous and most members became interested. I have never added up just how much I gave to Apple, but it's well into six figures.
Yet if I suggest something I don't like, I invariably get the response, "Buy Windows or Android then", or if I comment I am not buying a new product, it's often met with "Nevermind the rest of us can afford it" or something similar.
Many members think they are part of some elitist group because they own products, shares and staunchly support Apple. Yet they still only use their $4k MBP and latest iPhone for visiting porn sites, watching Netflix and telling me to buy Android instead. I am willing to bet most of them use Spotify and have a FaceBook account that they will never admit.
Am I bothered by any of this? No, not at all. I don't visit as often, and when I do, I read more than reply.
Interestingly, when I visit, the first place I go to is the Alternatives to Mac Hardware Forum. That is the great little corner of this site. Why? Because the people that use that forum are tech enthusiasts, they are not so much pro this or that. Many use Windows and Mac, and some use only Windows, but everyone seems to get on more than anywhere else. There are excellent discussions; each other's views are accepted and discussed, and there is no falling out, abuse, or other nonsense unless a hardened Apple supporter strays in. The key to why that works so well is the people, the tech enthusiasts; we see value in all tech. Whoever makes it.
Be more like the tech enthusiasts.
I have used Apple products longer than many members have been alive, long before the iPhone made them famous and most members became interested. I have never added up just how much I gave to Apple, but it's well into six figures.
Yet if I suggest something I don't like, I invariably get the response, "Buy Windows or Android then", or if I comment I am not buying a new product, it's often met with "Nevermind the rest of us can afford it" or something similar.
Many members think they are part of some elitist group because they own products, shares and staunchly support Apple. Yet they still only use their $4k MBP and latest iPhone for visiting porn sites, watching Netflix and telling me to buy Android instead. I am willing to bet most of them use Spotify and have a FaceBook account that they will never admit.
Am I bothered by any of this? No, not at all. I don't visit as often, and when I do, I read more than reply.
Interestingly, when I visit, the first place I go to is the Alternatives to Mac Hardware Forum. That is the great little corner of this site. Why? Because the people that use that forum are tech enthusiasts, they are not so much pro this or that. Many use Windows and Mac, and some use only Windows, but everyone seems to get on more than anywhere else. There are excellent discussions; each other's views are accepted and discussed, and there is no falling out, abuse, or other nonsense unless a hardened Apple supporter strays in. The key to why that works so well is the people, the tech enthusiasts; we see value in all tech. Whoever makes it.
Be more like the tech enthusiasts.
Maybe I'm getting old, but I am surprised there is still this much angry platform evangelism going on. I will hold up my hand and say for many years I bought into that. But I have been using all the major platforms and OSs for so many years now, both at home and at work, that I almost don't remember a time I was a single-platform advocate. Interoperability has improved so much, I feel the distinction for most critical tasks is fairly trivial.
That all goes for personal computing, of course. Granted, Apple is more a mobile/lifestyle device manufacturer now, so that complicates things.
In my greater-than-30-year tenure of internet use, I would heartily disagree. Yes, certain parts of MR contain the same strains of toxicity you see across the internet, but across the breadth of the forum you will find a core of civil and well-spoken members that rises well above the average standard of behavior in my experience.
To be fair, I don't post as widely across the site as I once did, and the new product announcement threads have always tended to get get a bit heated and, sometimes, silly (especially in retrospect - I'll never forget the people confidently pooh-poohing products like the iPod and iPhone when they were announced - go read those ones for a good laugh).
But of course the central purpose of the site was as a place for informed or at least thoughtful speculation on what Apple had up its sleeve next. It wasn't an Apple evangelist forum per se, and never has been as far as I am concerned. I've criticized Apple plenty here over a couple decades and, apart from the odd individual knucklehead, I've never felt there has been a culture of retaliation against that.
That all goes for personal computing, of course. Granted, Apple is more a mobile/lifestyle device manufacturer now, so that complicates things.
In my greater-than-30-year tenure of internet use, I would heartily disagree. Yes, certain parts of MR contain the same strains of toxicity you see across the internet, but across the breadth of the forum you will find a core of civil and well-spoken members that rises well above the average standard of behavior in my experience.
To be fair, I don't post as widely across the site as I once did, and the new product announcement threads have always tended to get get a bit heated and, sometimes, silly (especially in retrospect - I'll never forget the people confidently pooh-poohing products like the iPod and iPhone when they were announced - go read those ones for a good laugh).
But of course the central purpose of the site was as a place for informed or at least thoughtful speculation on what Apple had up its sleeve next. It wasn't an Apple evangelist forum per se, and never has been as far as I am concerned. I've criticized Apple plenty here over a couple decades and, apart from the odd individual knucklehead, I've never felt there has been a culture of retaliation against that.
Perhaps you need to appeal to the MacRumors team to set up a verified Vision Pro Owners only section.
The product seems to have produced a whole new level of sensitivity on these forums and its users clearly need some sort of protection.
Notwithstanding the overlapping community of the Early Intel Macs and PowerPC Macs sub-forums, I concur with you.
I own 7 or 8 Apple products. Still criticize them. I, a considered-lower-middle-class-in-the-Bay-Area citizen, do not shill for the largest corporation in the world. They do lots of things that bring me joy, but they also do things that frustrate the **** out of me.
What's it to anybody else?
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I have noticed that. It's interesting that you suggest users/owners need some protection. It's that bad, yet many posting here recently don't seem to see it. Maybe they are not looking that closely or are interested in the product, but the VP has taken discussions to a whole new level, which is not a good way.
It’s an interesting idea. I don’t know the logistics of that.
I like how today there a section for politics which basically says keep politics out of the regular, product posts.
Maybe an owners area. It seems like it would be difficult to prove ownership unless they wanted to have an app only available on specific products.
I don’t mind at all someone who doesn’t like the product. But when it’s a thread about something specific like Environments it’s really disruptive to try pick out the useful posts that are swamped by the negative ones.
Just my opinion, for what it’s worth. I would enjoy reading any post that talks about your joy or frustration with the products. For one thing, you actually own the products so you’re not just talking about what you’ve heard from others. Plus, it doesn’t sound like you have any agenda. You like some things but not others.
That‘s in sharp contrast to the frustrating posts I see. I see people who create an account then immediately post a dozen negative posts with a clear agenda and no facts. There are also many posts about people rather than products. The shaming about someone who might not be able to afford a product is just as bad as the overtly antagonist posts about the idiot who would buy a particular product because they have money to burn.
This stuff has all been said in this thread before. I just don’t want to give the impression that (speaking for myself) everyone has to love everything. I often spend coffee talks with tech friends venting about bugs or lack of features.
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