Anecdotes rule!
Should I start looking at Dell too?
Look, but don't touch.
This thread has been about nearly everything else but the topic, so why not cooking?
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Anecdotes rule!
Look, but don't touch.
This thread has been about nearly everything else but the topic, so why not cooking?
How about something really "sick"?
"Questionable: Highly Inappropriate zzZune Ad"
http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/questionable_highly_inappropri.php
A worthless article. And it's the only one which gets wheeled out every time
I've got some periods for you, courtesy of the Sesshi purchase ledger over the last ~ twelve months: 12 Apple notebooks - 11 Applecare'd / DOA replaced. 18 Sony notebooks - 3 in for repair. And these are only the notebooks I bought for purely my own use!
Then why do you still use Macs? Why are you even here? Seems to me that if almost 99% of Macs you bought were defective, yet you still buy them and hang out here, Apple is not the problem- you are.
That said, I've owned 5 Macs- all flawless.
You know what thats called? Bad luck.A worthless article. And it's the only one which gets wheeled out every time
I've got some periods for you, courtesy of the Sesshi purchase ledger over the last ~ twelve months: 12 Apple notebooks - 11 Applecare'd / DOA replaced. 18 Sony notebooks - 3 in for repair. And these are only the notebooks I bought for purely my own use!
Why is it a worthless article, because it proves something that you disagree with?
Yep- how exactly does one person need 30 notebooks for their own personal use? For a business, sure. But all by yourself?
A worthless article. And it's the only one which gets wheeled out every time
I've got some periods for you, courtesy of the Sesshi purchase ledger over the last ~ twelve months: 12 Apple notebooks - 11 Applecare'd / DOA replaced. 18 Sony notebooks - 3 in for repair. And these are only the notebooks I bought for purely my own use!
I've got a Macbook, one issue, cracking palmrest. Called up, sent me a box the next day, mailed it in, back within 3/4 days of me making the call.
12ish iMacs in my media class at college, not a single issue with any of them. My teacher, 2 Macbooks and a 24" iMac, one dead battery which they replaced in 30 seconds in the store.
Me, 2 iPods, my friend, 1 iPod, my teacher, 1 iPhone, no issue with any of them.
Thats 2 minor issues out of 20 Apple products.
But why should I believe you, why should you believe me, thats the point of an independent survey. To disregard the evidence in favour of your own experience makes me laugh. And you know as well as I do that Apple's DOA and damage rate is definitely not 100% that you claim, thats why I am correct when I say you did have bad luck.
I have more
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=16183
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20061019143213.html
http://www.laptops.co.uk/news/2009/Jan/apple-laptops-voted-most-reliable.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/156459/apple_belkin_trendnet_make_most_reliable_routers.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2005/oct/06/news.uknews
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobil...ne-Most-Popular-US-Handset---Most-Reliable/p1
nick, give it up - you do realise half the time you (and everyone else like you) are linking to the same irrelevant source, don't you?
Over how many years?
I can understand how to some it might be a poser. Are you picturing me with a stack of them? It doesn't quite work that way. I said all the notebooks I bought in a year. My average replacement frequency of a notebook is around 9 months for every category of notebook I have - UMPC/HPC, subnote, thin/light, mainstream, ~17" - and I have multiples of them at the places I work and live in. I also don't Boot Camp - as Macs can't actually run Windows, so an OS X machine is just an OS X machine. Factor that and you'll see how you can hit the low double digits quite quickly. I've tried working with less, but it hasn't worked out.
In 2008-9 I bought (for my own use for work and home) Air's, UB and non-UB MBP's in both 17 and 15 inch guises and the aforementioned UB MB's totalling 12 machines. Of them, just one of the new MB's has not yet encountered a DOA, FOA return, FOA, multiple-defect return, or just something which cropped up requiring Applecare (in some cases, repeat visits). The POS Air's are gone, the UB MBP has been returned, while other machines are either still with me or have been diverted elsewhere.
Currently between work and home the notebooks I actually spend time in front of are four Dell Precision Covets, one Dell Studio XPS 16, two Dell Studio's, four Sony UX's, three TT's(1 faulty - screen), four SZ's (2 faulty - free fall sensor + battery), two Z's, two UB Macbooks (one defect free, one damaged on arrival), one Penryn 17" (On the 'last Applecare before replacement' repair), 1 Merom 17" (Applecare'd at least 4 times in it's life), and two 15-inch Penryns - which are currently spending a lot of time in Applecare, which is why I've fished out two Santa Rosas from spares. Both of these actually need Applecaring themselves but their faults don't need immediate attention.
The problem with these "discussions" is that it's exactly the logic of for example, someone calling an SUV reliable because it works great for them in their shopping run, or the guy who runs a moderate-duty city fleet saying the same - and turning on a contractor for saying it's a piece of junk when they bought a fleet to deploy with cross-country. In fact, this is a perfect illustration of this ongoing particular 'discussion'.
A similar situation goes for those customer surveys - given a level consumer playing field, you're comparing a disparate number of very low-end Windows machines against Apples. I'd like to see a corporate version of the survey - I suspect that Apples will fare significantly less well in that respect. The problem also with digging up these surveys is that many of you have no idea what the surveys are actually measuring, and how they are doing so - but like so many other 'discussions' in this forum, the levels of ego doesn't account for that eventuality. All it does, is actually make you look pretty much like a dumb fanboy who has no concept of the wider world. Of course I know that Apple buyers get the feelgood factor. And if you don't do anything that critical / substantial on these machines (and if you think Applecare's support terms are acceptable, you don't) I can understand how it seems like the best brand in the world.
Any computer these days should be pretty much flawless if all it does is what most of you do (and I won't even put "likely") in the course of the day, and you aren't a complete idiot. Both of my kitchen iMacs were/have been flawless too - mainly because it's used solely as a glorified TV. The main issue is the surprisingly low level of 'system stress' at which things get pear-shaped. I fully realise that many of you never cross that level.
Quite apart from the Macs themselves, I've spent more on OS X development to date than almost any of you will spend in a lifetme on personal technology. The need to leverage and recoup that is what keeps my XServes and client machines (some of which are Sony's running Hackintosh in a VM) humming - let alone anything else. Thanks to the recession, unfortunately it looks like you won't be rid of me in 2010 - the year I'd intended to discontinue all business use of OS X.
I don't actually think that badly of the OS itself and I think it works just fine for the uses I need to put it to - although the choice, nature and broad quality of the applications are too narrow to be a fully rounded platform. It's the hardware that makes the deal extremely painful for me - even for home use, and that is the most surprising thing of all perhaps.
Over how many years?
I can understand how to some it might be a poser. Are you picturing me with a stack of them? It doesn't quite work that way. I said all the notebooks I bought in a year. My average replacement frequency of a notebook is around 9 months for every category of notebook I have - UMPC/HPC, subnote, thin/light, mainstream, ~17" - and I have multiples of them at the places I work and live in. I also don't Boot Camp - as Macs can't actually run Windows, so an OS X machine is just an OS X machine. Factor that and you'll see how you can hit the low double digits quite quickly. I've tried working with less, but it hasn't worked out.
In 2008-9 I bought (for my own use for work and home) Air's, UB and non-UB MBP's in both 17 and 15 inch guises and the aforementioned UB MB's totalling 12 machines. Of them, just one of the new MB's has not yet encountered a DOA, FOA return, FOA, multiple-defect return, or just something which cropped up requiring Applecare (in some cases, repeat visits). The POS Air's are gone, the UB MBP has been returned, while other machines are either still with me or have been diverted elsewhere.
Currently between work and home the notebooks I actually spend time in front of are four Dell Precision Covets, one Dell Studio XPS 16, two Dell Studio's, four Sony UX's, three TT's(1 faulty - screen), four SZ's (2 faulty - free fall sensor + battery), two Z's, two UB Macbooks (one defect free, one damaged on arrival), one Penryn 17" (On the 'last Applecare before replacement' repair), 1 Merom 17" (Applecare'd at least 4 times in it's life), and two 15-inch Penryns - which are currently spending a lot of time in Applecare, which is why I've fished out two Santa Rosas from spares. Both of these actually need Applecaring themselves but their faults don't need immediate attention.
The problem with these "discussions" is that it's exactly the logic of for example, someone calling an SUV reliable because it works great for them in their shopping run, or the guy who runs a moderate-duty city fleet saying the same - and turning on a contractor for saying it's a piece of junk when they bought a fleet to deploy with cross-country. In fact, this is a perfect illustration of this ongoing particular 'discussion'.
A similar situation goes for those customer surveys - given a level consumer playing field, you're comparing a disparate number of very low-end Windows machines against Apples. I'd like to see a corporate version of the survey - I suspect that Apples will fare significantly less well in that respect. The problem also with digging up these surveys is that many of you have no idea what the surveys are actually measuring, and how they are doing so - but like so many other 'discussions' in this forum, the levels of ego doesn't account for that eventuality. All it does, is actually make you look pretty much like a dumb fanboy who has no concept of the wider world. Of course I know that Apple buyers get the feelgood factor. And if you don't do anything that critical / substantial on these machines (and if you think Applecare's support terms are acceptable, you don't) I can understand how it seems like the best brand in the world.
Any computer these days should be pretty much flawless if all it does is what most of you do (and I won't even put "likely") in the course of the day, and you aren't a complete idiot. Both of my kitchen iMacs were/have been flawless too - mainly because it's used solely as a glorified TV. The main issue is the surprisingly low level of 'system stress' at which things get pear-shaped. I fully realise that many of you never cross that level.
Quite apart from the Macs themselves, I've spent more on OS X development to date than almost any of you will spend in a lifetme on personal technology. The need to leverage and recoup that is what keeps my XServes and client machines (some of which are Sony's running Hackintosh in a VM) humming - let alone anything else. Thanks to the recession, unfortunately it looks like you won't be rid of me in 2010 - the year I'd intended to discontinue all business use of OS X.
I don't actually think that badly of the OS itself and I think it works just fine for the uses I need to put it to - although the choice, nature and broad quality of the applications are too narrow to be a fully rounded platform. It's the hardware that makes the deal extremely painful for me - even for home use, and that is the most surprising thing of all perhaps.
Come on, it's not very likely that someone who uses computers enough to justify this kind of turnover is going to be guilty of USER ERROR.
But isn't that just it? No matter what the topic of the thread may be, some will always drag the discussion towards their own personal hobby horse issues.
Back to the original post...
I've found that there's just a certain tone or flow or flavor to the Apple Community over the years, and it can take some getting used to. Once you sort of find that vibe, you can filter out exactly what you're talking about (and I partly agree with). What's left is a tremendous resource of information and easy access to people that are so involved, enthralled and committed to this particular tool in their life, that they get passionate about it's very existence and future. Like sports-nuts or gear-heads...only...you know....better.
I've found that there's just a certain tone or flow or flavor to the Apple Community over the years, and it can take some getting used to. Once you sort of find that vibe, you can filter out exactly what you're talking about (and I partly agree with). What's left is a tremendous resource of information and easy access to people that are so involved, enthralled and committed to this particular tool in their life, that they get passionate about it's very existence and future. Like sports-nuts or gear-heads...only...you know....better.
Corrected for you.
I've tried telling him in another thread, he, for some strange reason, didn't believe me, and called me a Apple fanboi.
Whatever, let him do his thing with his 30 laptops, we got better things to do with our flawless Macs
And just for fun, I'm just sayin': Had in my possession for varying lengths of time, 8 Macs (a mix of desktops and laptops) throughout the past 7 years (still have two of them), all worked (and working) flawlessly.
Heh, now you spilling complaints onto my thread where I didn't want to hear it. haha
Glad you can see the funny side , I hoped you would , welcome back from the dulldrums
My post will have nothing to do with the original question, but this thread is pretty fun to read from start to finish.
Especially the one about "only being able to read my own posts" That cracked me up..........
Especially the one about "only being able to read my own posts" That cracked me up..........
I find it hard that he never seen this:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html
either that or I hope he is sarcastic or drunk.
Get off your high horse, sesshi. WTF do you think most of us here do for a living? Or do you think we all just sit around unemployed and post all day? My entire office (I'm in advertising) of over 200 people is completely Mac based- even the servers (except for a few lame Dell servers, which go down constantly). They work extremely well. Our computers rarely need repairs. As a matter of fact, never in my entire ten years working for this company have I ever heard of anyone's computer dying.
Now you can sit here and insult our intelligence all you want, but the fact is that most of us use Macs because they're damn good products- products I've been using since 1996. Yes, those five Macs I mentioned I've bought over those years, and they've been great for freelance design and video editing. One I had for almost 7 years, and I bought it used.
And please stop talking down to us like none of us "push" our computers, because we DO. THAT is why we use them in the first place. You're not the only professional on this board. A lot of us indeed know what we're talking about, so give it a rest.
And here's looking forward to 2010.
Yeah, this site has a lot of whiners and people that post just to post. It is why I rarely post even though I have been coming here longer than most. But hey, people love to feel self important. So, take what info you can from here, answer questions no one else is and ignore the BS....
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