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I actually just messaged the mods because of the closing of a thread over in the Apple & Industry section, I'm really not sure what's going on lately.
I'm just saying... count me as part of the confused
I'm just saying... count me as part of the confused
Look. Here's the deal. This is a privately owned and operated forum. If you don't like it, leave.
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I know you said you're kidding, but it makes me wonder if this whole thread is about someone upset that they can't make money off forum members.yells: ***** IM SELLING UDID ACTIVATIONS!! COME ONE COME ALL!!!*****
hahaha, JUST kidding
There are rules, your not going to change anything. I can't stand people who think that they can just complain and complain until something happens. You agreed to the rules in the forum upon joining which also says there will be moderation.
You aren't the first one who tries to get his opinion through by "letting the people decide". As mentioned several times, MR isn't a democracy. We have a right to give feedback but that is pretty much it. Even if 99% of MR members thought that giving out UDIDs is okay, it wouldn't mean that it would be permitted. After all, we only think about it from our standpoint, not what issues it might cause for the site.
For example, it is prohibited to ask advice on how much your old Mac or any other device is worth. The reason? Because mods and admins think that it might lead to sales done outside of Marketplace. While that's not so big thing, it might attract scammers because anyone could offer to buy or sell something. Looks like MR has decided that they don't want their users to suffer from possible scams, even though they are not responsible for that. However, it would cause at least some work for the mods and admins when someone starts to whine that he was scammed.
I see the same issue with this UDID thing. You may be offering something for free in the thread but once someone replies, you can immediately start PMing because of course nobody wants to give out their details in a public thread. At that point, you could easily change it and say "oh, I'm running a bit low on money atm so is there anyway you could PayPal me $10 for this". PMs are not usually tracked by mods and they are private so nobody else can report them either. That means there is a good chance of background sales activity which is prohibited. There is also a good chance of scamming.
I find these to cases to be very alike. Even if your aim was just to give them away, there is no way of knowing that. In both cases, someone could also PM you and say I'll pay you $xxx for that. That is pretty common in the price advice case at least.
I'm not saying yes or no for this UDID thing, just trying to make you look it from the site owner's angle as well.
Before I begin I shall address a few things
The rules and policies are not set in stone they are always up for review. However we do ask that people are polite with their requests. How would you like it if someone came into your office and called you ridiculously tight fisted or inferred that you were a douche without any context or seemingly any reason.
I suspect that a lot of the responses you received were because of how you approached the situation.
Complain or debate. As I said before the rules are always up for debate however we would prefer it if people gave specifics, also we would prefer it if people were a little more relaxed with their approach.
You have to consider that a.) There was less than 4 hours between your original posting and this follow up message b.) The mods are global which meant that here in the UK your first post was 11.pm and the follow up at 3am. I was asleep and may European based mods were likely also.
Also one thing to consider is that it took 5 posts of yours before we were actually aware of what you were complaining about.
Doctor Q addressed many of the issues surrounding this. The fact of the matter is that we have had a lot of people signing up to sell UDIDs, a lot of members signing up to buy UDIDs and lots of talk about it all over the place. Not to mention the links to less than reputable websites selling them.
Here is the main difference that I see regarding this issue and why I support the disallowing of UDIDs:
The UDID issue led to a lot of rule breaking. The issues of NDA leads to very little rule breaking.
The rules and policies are not set in stone they are always up for review. However we do ask that people are polite with their requests. How would you like it if someone came into your office and called you ridiculously tight fisted or inferred that you were a douche without any context or seemingly any reason.
I suspect that a lot of the responses you received were because of how you approached the situation.
Complain or debate. As I said before the rules are always up for debate however we would prefer it if people gave specifics, also we would prefer it if people were a little more relaxed with their approach.
You have to consider that a.) There was less than 4 hours between your original posting and this follow up message b.) The mods are global which meant that here in the UK your first post was 11.pm and the follow up at 3am. I was asleep and may European based mods were likely also.
Also one thing to consider is that it took 5 posts of yours before we were actually aware of what you were complaining about.
Doctor Q addressed many of the issues surrounding this. The fact of the matter is that we have had a lot of people signing up to sell UDIDs, a lot of members signing up to buy UDIDs and lots of talk about it all over the place. Not to mention the links to less than reputable websites selling them.
Here is the main difference that I see regarding this issue and why I support the disallowing of UDIDs:
The UDID issue led to a lot of rule breaking. The issues of NDA leads to very little rule breaking.
Do as your told, or be gone! in other words, suck it up. Accept it, MR have rules in place so you can't complain about certain things they do. But it seems they don't enforce this. As I've seen many threads complaining about the way MR is moderated (such as this one), but at the end of the day, Arn created MR, therefore he can do whatever he likes. People complain about how MR is run, but at the end of the day, Arn has the right to do as he pleases, and the internet activists can't do anything to change it.
You're right. Arn created MR and can indeed do whatever he wants.
But if he wants to keep such a high number of people coming to MR for their Apple news, rumours and chat, therefore allowing Arn to charge a premium for advertising space, he needs to listen to users and ensure people don't see the need to 'suck it up'.
It's not Arn but the activity of the users that makes this forum a worthwhile place to visit. If users feel their opinions and thoughts aren't taken seriously, they'll find somewhere else to go and MR could see a terminal decline in traffic.
I would like to point out that some places around the forum need more moderation IE the Marketplace, things have gotten a little out of hand there lately and as a frequent buyer, seller, and reading in that section I find it very annoying some of the shenanigans going on in there.
Report what you are seeing and I'm sure the moderators will take a look. It is possible the moderators don't look in that forum all that much.
This. There is nothing wrong with the way this forum is moderated. At times, yes, it can be a bit "tightfisted", but rules are rules and if you don't like them, the logout button is to the top right of the page.
There are certainly some areas that seem to garner more attention lately, but overall I don't think the moderation here is stifling
Probably like many other members here, I've belonged to a number of sights that were over moderated and the net affect was a forum that lacked a lot of the free discussions we can enjoy.
If this place was less moderated, then we'd see nearly free rain of personal insults, warez sites requests, threads being hijacked. That in of itself is not really conducive to a lively dialog.
Probably like many other members here, I've belonged to a number of sights that were over moderated and the net affect was a forum that lacked a lot of the free discussions we can enjoy.
If this place was less moderated, then we'd see nearly free rain of personal insults, warez sites requests, threads being hijacked. That in of itself is not really conducive to a lively dialog.
I meant to post this earlier, but why was the "Beta 2 Available OTA:No Joke" thread closed in the iPhone section?
It seemed to provide some new info regarding OTA updates...
The guy even took some screenshots...I saw them, they seemed legit
or was it fake?
It seemed to provide some new info regarding OTA updates...
The guy even took some screenshots...I saw them, they seemed legit
or was it fake?
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It was due to a violation of forum rules but under the privacy policy I can't provide the details. Questions about specific cases of moderation are handled privately with the forum members involved, via the Contact Us form.
I'm confused by your mention of a privacy policy as a reason for not disclosing the reason for the thread being closed. Considering these forums are largely [entirely?] anonymous, what is the purpose/significance of a privacy policy?
Moderators constantly scream privacy legislation yet seem to fuel the fire of speculation on a more regular basis... This will probably be deleted and my account warned... Good bye my friends x