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MacRumors Poll: iPhone 4 Signal Loss by Region

Why are we arguing with each other???!!!

http://api.ning.com/files/TAQisU8LB...a=X&ei=EnsmTNb9JufsnQfAu6niBQ&ved=0CBYQ9QEwAA

If your phone doesn't work like you think it should, take it back. It's that simple. If enough people do this, Apple will fix it, offer refunds, etc. If not, they won't. Why waste your time arguing this much in a forum that won't amount to a hill of beans.

But, on the other hand, if you think this forum will change Apple's mind, if you think I'm a troll or fanboy or Steve himself, if you think your time is well served here - keep at it. It's fun to watch at least.
 
poll is ok!!!!

tintoy said:
This poll is completely flawed. It assumes an equal distribution of respondents across all region, which is unlikely to be the case, given that there are many time more iPhone users / mac rumour regulars in the states than in the UK (or other regions). Also the presentation is vague, suggesting, for example, that only 6% of UK users have problems (when what it actually means is that 6% of respondents who voted live in the UK). The poll needs 2 dimensions to be provide a basis for meaningful analysis :

1) do you have signal problems and
2) where do you live.

You could then chart percentage of respondents that have issues verus those that dont, broken down by region.

Pull this nonsense before somebody gets sued! :(
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There are so many people confused about the poll.

The poll is fine!!!!

Let me explain:
The poll tells us how many people are having problems in any single region vs how many people are not having problems in that same region.

For example:
Currently in the UK 2,198 ARE having issues and 1,804 are NOT having issues.

Ignore the poll's percentage for a moment...If you want a percentage, just make a fraction using the "number of votes" figures:

=2198/(2198+1804)
=2198/4002
=55% ARE having issues
(and 1804/4002=45% ARE NOT having issues).

What is the issue with the poll???
The percentages shown in the poll are calculated differently but if you can look at the data (no of votes), then it is not that hard really.
 
chinesechikn said:
There are so many people confused about the poll.

The poll is fine!!!!

Let me explain:
The poll tells us how many people are having problems in any single region vs how many people are not having problems in that same region.

For example:
Currently in the UK 2,198 ARE having issues and 1,804 are NOT having issues.

Ignore the poll's percentage for a moment...If you want a percentage, just make a fraction using the "number of votes" figures:

=2198/(2198+1804)
=2198/4002
=55% ARE having issues
(and 1804/4002=45% ARE NOT having issues).

What is the issue with the poll???
The percentages shown in the poll are calculated differently but if you can look at the data (no of votes), then it is not that hard really.
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Off the top of my head, there are a number of issues reagarding the poll.

a) Impossibility to check truth of claims: Some people like to whine and will post wrong info in order to feel more legitimate to complain in the forums. Or even fans/owners of other brands will do that, in order to make their product look superior. This has also happened with Engadget polls, both related to Apple and HTC phones.

b) Non-representative sample of the general population: It is much more likely that people with issues will come here and complain than people without issues will come here and not complain. People with the problem have a higher probability of coming and posting, as they have an extra-reason to come: to get help. Being so, the ratio between issues/non-issues is overestimated.

c) Inespecifity of answers: To "have the issue" could be regarded both as getting a single bar-drop after covering the iPhone with both hands, feet, and the buttcheek, or as having "No service" by simply touching the lower left corner. It is not clear what "issue" means, and as such, leads to bias.
 
The Vulcan....

iPhone Pinch...
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chill1n said:
Ok... if you can repoduce this standing under a cell tower, then there is something wrong with the phone. Otherwise, since no one seems to be concerned with the vitally important variables, like the state of the tower or the number and kind objects between the phone and the tower, all reports are meaningless. Without reference, you can't make sense of it, and no valid conclusions can be made.

Maybe there is something wrong with the iPhone 4. However, all this "evidence" that people are reporting is not evidence at all.

It means nothing if your phone dropped a call

There is no way to tell if something is wrong using this kind of unreferenced, unsubstantiated, unverifiable evidence. This entire exercise is absurd.
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And the APPLE APOLOGIST OF THE YEAR AWARD goes to...*drum roll*

chill1n.

Really this goes in my signature...a classic post already.
 
chill1n said:
oh? You have the missing information? The location of the phone? the distance of the phone to the tower? the number of opaque objects between the phone and the tower? The number of calls connected on that tower when the video was made? The number of incoming, not yet connected calls? The number of outgoing calls that haven't been connected? And what the Sun's corona was doing about 7 minutes prior to the video?

I'm calling everyone insane (actually, "hysterical") because they are making invalid conclusions based off of incomplete and fractured observations. If the author of the video would care to repeat the exercise under a tower with no obstructions, then I will pay attention.
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Maybe I will.. I am the author.
 
Digitalclips said:
Just think about basing any scientific study based on what 'people' think or believe :eek:
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Strawman - this is about what people know - they know they are getting dropped calls when they didn't before with their previous phone. And if you are going to go the route that they only 'think and believe' they are, not a good path.

But lower people talk in generalities and I think some are talking about other things. We aren't talking about Gizmodo's 'dropped bars' in the context of an end in itself but only as a precursor to predicting the call will drop very soon.

People near towers don't have this problem - the iPhone 4 seems to be able to maintain a strong enough signal regardless of anything going on outside the phone. But if your signal is weaker and you need the antenna to keep connected holding the phone in a normal left handed grip that has worked with all previous iphones makes its call performance unreliable.

Might be a bit hardware, might be a bit software, but its a problem and has to be fixed - waiting for Apple to fix it without talking about it is just saying you don't want it fixed at all.
 
I purchased two iPhone 4s, one for me and one for my wife. We both had 3Gs and 3GSs and never had the number of dropped calls that we have experienced in the last two days. Many of the places we had dropped calls were the same places where we talked with the previous iPhones with no problem.

I love the new phone but this is unacceptable.
 
BobbyCarbn said:
I purchased two iPhone 4s, one for me and one for my wife. We both had 3Gs and 3GSs and never had the number of dropped calls that we have experienced in the last two days. Many of the places we had dropped calls were the same places where we talked with the previous iPhones with no problem.

I love the new phone but this is unacceptable.
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that,s what happens when the company use young unexpireance engineers (low cost) verses old expireances onces, eny ideot old man knows when you tuch with your hand an antena you are interfeer with the reseption.
 
AttilaTheHun said:
that,s what happens when the company use young unexpireance engineers (low cost) verses old expireances onces, eny ideot old man knows when you tuch with your hand an antena you are interfeer with the reseption.
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thi,s what happens when ppl inexpieranced in engrish poest.
 
Kuro said:
I think the reason this is affecting some people and not others is not a case of location, but a case of the person using it. I get signal loss on my UK iPhone 4 so I went back to the store and they had no idea what I was on about, they said their demo phone was fine. I try their demo phone, signal gone within 30 seconds. The store manager then went on to try my one I'd been experiencing the issue with, nothing happened.

I think this is caused dependant on how conductive you happen to be, does anyone scientific have any idea if humans can be more or less conductive than one another?
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Interesting. It would seem Apple have royally ****ed up their design though. It's looking more an more likely each day.
 
absynth said:
And the APPLE APOLOGIST OF THE YEAR AWARD goes to...*drum roll*

chill1n.

Really this goes in my signature...a classic post already.
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I couldn't care less about Apple. I fight for truth. Gizmodo spread garbage everywhere, and you and others have eaten it up. I'm trying to purge you of this poison. All fractured reports mean nothing. There is no science in this poll, nor can it tell us anything useful, other than that people will believe anything.

Honestly... screw Apple. But get them on actual, legitimate screw ups, not this cell phone reception FANTASY.
 
I had some signal issues when I first got the phone but as soon as I but a case on it no problem works awesome, WAY better signal than my 3gs had with the same type case (ifrogz Plastic case) I have full 3g bars in places I only used to have edge service. I have heard that the signal problems are caused by your body acting as an extension of your antenna when you cover it and since your body is not a good conductor of radio signals your antenna essentially fails solution get a bumper or case, it worked for me!!!
 
aggiesrwe03 said:
I had some signal issues when I first got the phone but as soon as I put a case on it no problem works awesome.
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So you have hidden the issue. When you go to sell the phone in a few years time make sure you inform the buyer before they give you the money that they'll need to use a case or they'll have trouble making calls, wait and see if they are still interested, then.
 
tintoy said:
This poll is completely flawed. It assumes an equal distribution of respondents across all region, which is unlikely to be the case, given that there are many time more iPhone users / mac rumour regulars in the states than in the UK (or other regions). Also the presentation is vague, suggesting, for example, that only 6% of UK users have problems (when what it actually means is that 6% of respondents who voted live in the UK). The poll needs 2 dimensions to be provide a basis for meaningful analysis :

1) do you have signal problems and
2) where do you live.

You could then chart percentage of respondents that have issues verus those that dont, broken down by region.

Pull this nonsense before somebody gets sued! :(
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^Someone who knows what they are talking about.


smarch said:
I wish all of the reporting on this "issue" would stop! like steve says all phones have some signal loss when you hold them different ways, I love my iPhone 4 more than life itself, I want everybody else to get one, i want apple to sell a billion, and stupid people LOVE to feel 'smart' they aren't getting one because they heard 'doesn't that phone not make phone calls when you hold it hahaha blahblahblah. my phone loses some signalwhen you cover that gap, but I just don't hold it there and it works fine for the most part even if I do. it's just like with other iPhones when I would sit there trying to figure a good way o hold it when I was in a basement or something

STOP MAKING THIS THE STORY. THE STORY IS THAT THE IPHONE4 IS AWESOME!!!!!
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^Someone who does not. I really hope that's all sarcasm.

There should be no excuse for this to be happening; I'm not going to train myself to hold a phone in a specific way so my signal doesn't get dropped. Hence one of the reasons why my 3GS suits me perfectly fine at the moment.
 
It's two antennae, not too antenna. I said this again, can anyone please correct the main article?

Why is it that people running this forum are so hard to take suggestions from others even if it's to their benefit, and when they obviously err?
 
We're in the Pasadena / Altadena area of Los Angeles County, California. My wife and I can confidently report a serious degradation of signal quality over the past two months. To the point where Apple replaced our 3G iphone twice in as many months, and our 3GS once. Since owning a pair of "4's" we have not experienced any connection issues in the above listed area.
 
It's pretty simple folks. If you have PERFECT reception then you most likely will not be impacted by this. If you have lower reception, then you definitely can reproduce this every time. Good times.
 
LeoFio said:
^Someone who knows what they are talking about.




^Someone who does not. I really hope that's all sarcasm.

There should be no excuse for this to be happening; I'm not going to train myself to hold a phone in a specific way so my signal doesn't get dropped. Hence one of the reasons why my 3GS suits me perfectly fine at the moment.
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Well your first clue that Smarch was clearly an uneducated individual is his statement that he loves his iphone4 more then life itself. It just kills me how people value material objects over life in the world today. He's probably the same type of person who could care less about the oil spill in the gulf as long as he has his shiny new iphone 4.
 
I don't think AT&T would establish that until the next iPhone is officially announced or even released

If you want to plan ahead you can call them and start with "In theory, if a new iPhone came out in June what would be the policy on...."
 
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