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MacRumors Poll: iPhone 4 Signal Loss by Region
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I've run enough experiments for labs to know you known not of what you speak.
Using your analogy I have owned a string of frogs from the same family before. People who also got new frogs are noticing the same aberrant behavior in theirs that I am noticing in mine. These reports are coming in from people who have no ties to other frog owners and are making these similar observations independently. They observations are reproducible in both my frog and in the frogs of those making verbal reports.
To the rational mind there is a strong indication that something has changed with this generation of frogs for many frog owners. to assume there is no difference in light of all the personal and reported information would be foolish..[/QUOTE]
I doubt that, even the true complaints are not about any unfixable issue. will not want to really pretend this problem doesn't exist, though they will like to fix it without admitting major error I'm sure.
The people saying there is no problem actually inflame the issue more. More likely would like to ask them 'please stop helping'
Fortunately even with what we know that's probably not the issue - isolating the antennas with a 'bumper' bumps us back to just body mass attenuation which is totally within the norm for cell phones.
As to a public apology, I wouldn't hold my breath - if they can do this with a software fix (make the phone handle the rapidly dropping signal in time to keep the call from disconnecting) it will just happen with not much said -the problem will just go away and oddly the next version of the iPhone 4 (or even a stealth upgrade) will have plastic over the stainless steel.
Agreed, but having people knee jerk say there is no problem when there obviously is just make the problem worse. What you do is say 'there is a problem but its going to be a pretty easily fixable one' and people will go 'oh ok'. Because the phone is very sweet - when it doesn't drop your calls.
Yeah and if I lived in the neighborhood I ate dinner in last night I would be having problems either - I had 5 bars grabbing the naked phone (as opposed to 'just 5' when at home and 0 and dropped calls if grabbed naked.
This definitely a 'location' problem, a 'holding' problem, maybe a 'software' problem and maybe even a unit one - some are reporting trading in their phones and then having no problems (though I am incredulous on that being objectively true).
Still ignoring the problem won't fix it or make it go away and if people don't talk about the problem the wrong one might be fixed or the important one might not be fixed at all.
We can surely talk about it here - no one is going to talk to the potential buying masses about what they read on MacRumors.
Well your right, nobody really knows - Apple probably know right now, but I can say iPhone 4, for me, has much superior signal and reception than iPhone 3G - and If that's a minority position right now, again, nobody knows, but I hope any so called 'fixes' don't break that!
Then you know damn well you're full of crap on all the statements you've made previously about your one, single phone. No science. No intelligible information. Nothing. You offer nothing.
Stop right there. You've never been in a freaking lab! You're attempting again to use your memory as an experiment.
ah.. with different frogs, maybe the same species... but distinctly different and separate individuals. And you can't see them for yourself. You must trust anonymous reports.
To the undisciplined mind it might appear that something might be wonky, but the true rational mind says "wait and see." Anything else is foolish.
For my particular iPhone 4, the effect is not identical. I can wrap both hands tightly around my iPhone 4, but with a thin handkerchief covering the left side, and I only lose 3 bars, no disconnect. But I can just barely push my iPhone, sitting on a wood table with no interference, against the edge of a penny touching the gap, and I quickly lose all 5 bars, and the phone goes into search mode. (I'm in a location where I only get 3 or 4 bars on my 3GS, and barely 5 bars on the iPhone 4, so this signal loss makes a big difference.)
The shorting effect detunes the antenna by far more than capacitive loading (which may just absorb lots of signal without detuning the antenna much).
You can call them the same if you want. Primitive hunter-gatherers just don't have names for as many things (except snow
as civilized scientists and engineers.Where I'm sitting, my 3GS gets 3 (maybe 4) bars, my iPhone 4 gets 5 bars, which is superior reception... unless I press a wet palm against the lower left side, in which case I get zero bars.
I happen to think that that's fine, since I can get better reception under my control. They're my hands. I can control how they hold my cell phone.
I admit that when it isn't being grounded out it is much more robust, gives better signals, keeps them as have a number of others - hopefully they won't change that. Again, it seems that if there is a problem its with the switching code, and only is a problem when the attena is grounded out. Not responding fast enough, not responding at all, we don't know yet - but fixing that probably won't change most peoples majority of connect time hopefully.
Did you see the video on the previous page that shows all data reception STOP when the iPhone is touched? I love it when someone who isn't having a problem (yet) generalizes the entire issue and basically calls everyone insane. Nice one.
Dude, relax.
Your posts are contributing little, despite your use of massive fonts.
Practice some of your advice instead of spazzing all over the rest of us.
oh? You have the missing information? The location of the phone? the distance of the phone to the tower? the number of opaque objects between the phone and the tower? The number of calls connected on that tower when the video was made? The number of incoming, not yet connected calls? The number of outgoing calls that haven't been connected? And what the Sun's corona was doing about 7 minutes prior to the video?
I'm calling everyone insane (actually, "hysterical") because they are making invalid conclusions based off of incomplete and fractured observations. If the author of the video would care to repeat the exercise under a tower with no obstructions, then I will pay attention.
it also lacks clarity. how often is it happening. is it only when you hold the phone at an exactly particular spot. does it happen if your hands are dry or damp. did you have signal issues before. are you saying it is an 'issue' if the bars go down or only when you can't make or lose a call.
Left Handed
This really sucks because I am left handed and this is how I hold my phone. I've been doing it this way for years because it's what I'm comfortable with. Anyone who drives standard transmission vehicle probably does the same thing. Yes, I know I guess it's time to find a blue tooth headset that actually works. Bought yet another BT tonight.
This really sucks because I am left handed and this is how I hold my phone. I've been doing it this way for years because it's what I'm comfortable with. Anyone who drives standard transmission vehicle probably does the same thing. Yes, I know I guess it's time to find a blue tooth headset that actually works. Bought yet another BT tonight.
i feel for those that are having issues but it is completely possible that this is being totally blown out of proportion and there is not 'major design flaw' at all.
only perhaps 2-3% of folks with one of these thousands of iphone 4 is having issues at all. and some of them have admitted that it's not 100% of the time even when they try to hold it exactly the same way. and some have said that their bars go down but their actual service seems unaffected
so perhaps the issue isn't a design flaw at all and there's some other factor at play. a glitch in the software that is falsely reporting a signal drop. moisture on the hands etc causing a temporary short, lousy signal in the area. Or if there is actual hardware damage perhaps it's not in the design but was done during transit. how many of these 'bad' phones were online orders and how many were picked up at a store. perhaps this is like those 'bad' imacs last fall that were dominantly online orders and could have been subjected to poor storage and handling causing something to snap inside.
happy folks rarely get online to talk about how happy they are, but pissed off folks will rant loudly and often. and "Apple F's up. Again" makes better headlines and click fodder. but every blog jumping on the bandwagon does not a fact or a major crisis make.
only perhaps 2-3% of folks with one of these thousands of iphone 4 is having issues at all. and some of them have admitted that it's not 100% of the time even when they try to hold it exactly the same way. and some have said that their bars go down but their actual service seems unaffected
so perhaps the issue isn't a design flaw at all and there's some other factor at play. a glitch in the software that is falsely reporting a signal drop. moisture on the hands etc causing a temporary short, lousy signal in the area. Or if there is actual hardware damage perhaps it's not in the design but was done during transit. how many of these 'bad' phones were online orders and how many were picked up at a store. perhaps this is like those 'bad' imacs last fall that were dominantly online orders and could have been subjected to poor storage and handling causing something to snap inside.
happy folks rarely get online to talk about how happy they are, but pissed off folks will rant loudly and often. and "Apple F's up. Again" makes better headlines and click fodder. but every blog jumping on the bandwagon does not a fact or a major crisis make.
To anyone that says this is not a design flaw, I'm calling BS. I have had all 4 iPhone's launch day, and the iPhone 4 by far had a problem. I bough one fro m girlfriend this year, whom had always abused my iPhone, came over from TMobile and now wishes that she had her POS Tmobile phone back. I was out of the store at 7:15 launch morning, on the way home, on the phone with ATT, on a major road in Denver and dropped a call due the "left hand holding" due to driving a stick shift. I'm dropping more than 50% of my calls. I have people ask me everywhere I go about the Ip4 and I can show them on command the signal loss issue.
Dont tell me there's not a design flaw, because there is. Maybe a certain batch? maybe? there's definitely an issue with atleast SOME of the phones, and to say "hey, we going to put a case out for another 30$ that will fix our **** up?" Dont get me wrong I love apple, and am apple 100% but right now, I want my 3Gs back.
My signal goes down, but I never get to "searching.." or "no service" no matter how long I hold it. So, I'm somewhat affected?
The weak link in your argument is 'people'. Forget frogs and iPhones for a moment. Just think about basing any scientific study based on what 'people' think or believe
. It's been shown over and over that if a totally untrue statement is repeated enough on Fox News half the population believe it.Meanwhile, back on topic ... very clever of MR to do this poll the way they did. The more contention and arguments the more posts and therefore hits. This site often simply tries to agitate and the bait is always taken.
Pretty harsh words for someone who is wrong. Antennae is for bugs. Oxford dictionary...
antenna / &n"ten@ / n
a (pl -nae / -ni: /) (Zool) antena f
b (pl -nas) (Rad, TV) antena f
No it does not.
See, I can make blanket statements too. Mine has no problems. So all the 3Gs phones have no problems.
We still don't know this. So far it's looking more like a design flaw that went undetected before they started manufacturing the phone.
Perhaps because they wanted to get the phone out as soon as possible; because testers used rubber cases to disguise the phone as the older model;
and testing the phone inside the lab did not reveal the problem because of the abundance of microcells at Apple's
We shall wait and see.
I like it when someone says their device works perfectly, then they get attacked from folks that do have an issue. There have been plenty of accusations from folks with signal problems that anyone who thinks they don't have an issue is insane.
It's going both ways for sure.