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Bruce Lee said:
How on earth can this be bad?

All economic arguments favor going with Intel chips.

Any rational power users will be fine with either Intel or PPC chips. In principle and on paper, I prefer the PPC architecture and altivec. However, in practice it's just never delivered the goods for Apple and never will, since Apple doesn't buy enough chips to influence IBM. I think it's a wash as far as performance is concerned for all but (perhaps) some very very specialized applications.

As far as consumers, they couldn't care less about Intel vs. PPC. They'll buy Macs because they are easier to use, things work better, they own an iPod, the OS is a bit more secure, whatever. Sure, I agree that it's a little harder to differentiate Macs now that the chips are the same. But how many consumers do you really ever think bought a Mac because of the processor?

Personally, I find my Powerbook's 1.5ghz G4 chip to be an embarrassment and I am looking forward to getting an Intel-based powerbook as soon as the second rev of Apple products come out.


Hail the other voice of reason. :cool:
 
bosrs1 said:
Except you have 2 years. No one who isn't a moron is going to wait 2 years. If you need a Mac now there is no reason to wait. You're computer will be obsolete in two years regardless of the Intel change or otherwise.
I'm still using a 5 year old Mac - got a problem with that?

What I want to know is, if I buy a dual G5 soon, will it still be supported in 3 years by developers - or will ALL apps be optimized for intel CPUs?
 
mcgarry said:
Well come on! It tells you what's inside: that's important. If it wasn't there, how would you know? Man, I can't wait for my own Intel sticker. I hope it's really cool looking like that one on my pal's Dell. Plus, my homemade "Freescale Inside" nametag-sticker is showing its age.

Well for some obvious reasons I am hoping that we don't get 'Intel Inside' stickers, but if they do it, they had better make it a transparents, multi-use biometric security and retinal-scanner sticker that also takes fast-food orders and balances my checkbook. If it doesn't do ALL of those things and more, it's getting peeled off, just like all the other PC crap gets...peeled off.
 
nhkader said:
Apple are utilising the superior performance of Intel processors (speed, heat, production yield).

Uh, why don't you read what you just typed.
If you mean speed by performance, Intel lost that in the latter portion of 2003 to the Athlon 64. Any variation, 754, 939, 940.

By heat? A Prescott has the thermal wattage of a space heater.

Production yield? Ok, well that one is actually correct.
 
from the whole keynote, the thing i'm most happy about is the release of the quicktime 7 windows preview.

i'm sure many will agree with me here :) it was overdue.
 
bosrs1 said:
Except you have 2 years. No one who isn't a moron is going to wait 2 years. If you need a Mac now there is no reason to wait. You're computer will be obsolete in two years regardless of the Intel change or otherwise.

I disagree once again....Im on an imac G3 with 256 mb ram running panther.....Ive had it for 3 years now and its good for everyday stuff. I even do 3D animation on it. So I expect my ibook G4 with 512mb to last another 2 years
 
Bruce Lee said:
But how many consumers do you really ever think bought a Mac because of the processor?
More than you would think I would bet!
A LOT of people hate the intel jingle for one! - I hope they get rid of it before the Macintels come out!
 
efoto said:
Well for some obvious reasons I am hoping that we don't get 'Intel Inside' stickers, but if they do it, they had better make it a transparents, multi-use biometric security and retinal-scanner sticker that also takes fast-food orders and balances my checkbook. If it doesn't do ALL of those things and more, it's getting peeled off, just like all the other PC crap gets...peeled off.

maybe peel it off and put it on the cat ... might be less painful than your original plan
 
"Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far," Jobs said. "It's been ten years since our transition to the PowerPC, and we think Intel's technology will help us create the best personal computers for the next ten years."
That's what I wanted to hear. I want OS X AND Mac hardware. I don't care if I pay a premium for a computer who's components are controlled by the operating system marker (and look spiffy).
 
James Philp said:
More than you would think I would bet!
A LOT of people hate the intel jingle for one! - I hope they get rid of it before the Macintels come out!


Are you serious?? You buy a computer with a different processor because one of them has a cheesy jingle?? Dude. You guys need to calm down a bit and think rationally. Half of the people out there to whom macs are traditionally marketed to 9easy to use etc) probably can't spell PROCESSOR and think INTEL is a underwear company.
 
nhkader said:
Good God! The number of stupid posts on this topic is just frightening.

The move to Intel does NOT mean that it will be an open architecture box. It does NOT mean it will be a PC. Apple are utilising the superior performance of Intel processors (speed, heat, production yield). The rest of the hardware is going to be APPLE designed and Apple specific.

Why is it so hard for people to see this!

You will NOT be able to load Windows on such a computer (other than through some sort of Virtual PC emulation).

Bottom line is that it will be a Mac running OS X and running it a lot better than with the current processors.

So don't be fooled that you can buy a Dell and stick in the OS X DVD and load the software. Apple are not that stupid.

A brilliant move by Apple and with the promise of WiMax in the future from Intel, I can only see upside.
Short term yes, Apple will be designing the complete computer -- and possibly the chipset will be modified completely to their specs.

But as years go on, Apple will do their best to bring their prices in line with other PC vendors.

There is also a good chance that Apple will exit the chipset business rather rapidly. Just dump the PC BIOS in exchance for Open-Firmware.

I still see Apple making boards and enclosures.

But this is most likely a first step in putting the Mac OS on every PC, they'd be dumb not to.

I didn't think Apple felt they were strong enough to take on MicroSoft directly -- but they are moving rapidly in that direction.

Should be interesting.

And yes, in the short term... the Mac OS will be something you buy to run on a Mac -- but eventually it'll probably be just another PC OS.

Which isn't a bad thing considering the bad press MS keeps getting.
 
James Philp said:
I'm still using a 5 year old Mac - got a problem with that?

What I want to know is, if I buy a dual G5 soon, will it still be supported in 3 years by developers - or will ALL apps be optimized for intel CPUs?

Excellent point. Regardless of all this latest news, I still cannot help but want a DP PM as long as there is hope that things will continue to be supported for years to come. They are saying that there are going to be developer support for both systems, but how long will that last if the x86 version of OSX takes off and no one buys PPC OSX anymore?
 
anonymous161 said:
Yeah, except it's not going to be "perceivably" twice as fast. I just see a Best Buy employee "Yes this Mac is fast, but over here we have this HP (with a bigger margin for Best Buy) that costs half as much but is just as fast. It runs Windows XP, which everyone uses and the Mac runs OS "ecks" which you can't buy any software for and isn't compatible with Microsoft Office or the internet.

There is more margin in any Apple than any PC that Best Buy sells.

Anyone who has worked in a big box retailer knows that there is no margin in PCs. We are talking 1-5% tops.

Anything made by Apple is sold that Apple's suggested retail price - it is Apple's requirement for being an Authorized Retailer. It is called a "price lock" and it does not mean there is no margin in it, in fact, it usually means there is more and the manufacturer is trying to prevent a retailer from selling it waaaay below MSRP to get the sale.
 
I also think that maybe I'm missing someting here and it's not all that bad...

Surely the announcement made was "Apple to use Intel CPUs in their computers" rather than something like "OS X to run on x86"?

Meaning the situation won't be changed much from what it is now: OS X to run on Apple hardware only with a CPU made by a 3rd party manufacturer (now Intel rather than IBM)
 
Uh, why don't you read what you just typed.
If you mean speed by performance, Intel lost that in the latter portion of 2003 to the Athlon 64. Any variation, 754, 939, 940.

By heat? A Prescott has the thermal wattage of a space heater.

Production yield? Ok, well that one is actually correct.

They will use a Pentium M. Faster, lower power consumption, better yield.

Intel is not only Pentium 4.
 
James Philp said:
I'm still using a 5 year old Mac - got a problem with that?

What I want to know is, if I buy a dual G5 soon, will it still be supported in 3 years by developers - or will ALL apps be optimized for intel CPUs?

it's a checkbox - who's going to turn that checkbox off and limit their own market?
 
I bet the Leopard ( or the next version of OS X) is for all Intel/AMD PCs,
not just Macs made by Apple.

OS X percentages will be ~ 30 %.
 
AppleinJapan said:
I don't even recongize 80% of those companies (mother boards)....ummmm
like i said $300 PC vs a $1200 Apple - what are you gonna do ???

Yeah, Abit, Asus, Dell, Intel and MSI are all marginal players in the PC world. Who's heard of any of them [/sarcasm]
 
oh yeah

eVolcre said:
Are you serious?? You buy a computer with a different processor because one of them has a cheesy jingle?? Dude. You guys need to calm down a bit and think rationally. Half of the people out there to whom macs are traditionally marketed to 9easy to use etc) probably can't spell PROCESSOR and think INTEL is a underwear company.

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Qianlong said:
It's all your fault IBM

IBM screwed Apple again...1st they take over the PC business then they con Apple into a chip contract then they don't make enough chips.....where's JFK in all this ???
 
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