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MacRumors WWDC 2005 Live Keynote Coverage

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So now we have:
New iMac with a 3 ghz processor= $1299
New Dell with a 3 ghz processor= $599

How many consumers are going to think that OS X is worth $700, because that is what they are going to see.
At least before you couldn't make direct comparisons.
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Not really. If the power of OSX lets you run apps at a "perceivably" faster speed and also has no spyware and viruses, well then the direct comparison is good right? You could , for examle, buy a 1.5 ghz machine that gices you the same effective speed as a Dell 3.0 machine.
 
efoto said:
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If a PB or PM or any Apple product comes out with "Intel Inside" I'll eat my foot, shove a live cat up my arse, and then divorce whomever my future wife may be (sorry honey :p ).
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quote hereby immortalized. I think you should be ready to apologize to the cat too.
 
whooleytoo said:
Actually, that is a very interesting point. With less of a difference between the hardware, the price difference is going to be all the more noticeable now. Apple's margins are really going to be squeezed.
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Since 47% of apples profit comes from hardware.... How can this be a good move of Apple?
 
anonymous161 said:
So now we have:
New iMac with a 3 ghz processor= $1299
New Dell with a 3 ghz processor= $599

How many consumers are going to think that OS X is worth $700, because that is what they are going to see.
At least before you couldn't make direct comparisons.
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Thats right !!! ummm normal people just will look at the intel logo and go ummm why $700 more ??? lets get a dell
 
AppleinJapan said:
I understand what you are saying but I don't see it that way...it will be Apple hardware only.....me think
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Yes, see here, pick for example motherboards and "show non-working", and you can see that this isn't going to be something people will be able to load onto any old PC aqnd expect it to work.
 
I would have bought a Mac last year...but with Intel trash on the inside? Forget it.

Thanks alot Jobs.
 
asif786 said:
i hate to use profanities, but in all honesty, that was one of the shi*tiest keynotes i've ever seen.

intel move: ok, great. faster macs. i hope the transition goes well.

other than that, THANKS FOR A WHOLE LOAD OF NOTHIN' STEVE. no new ipods. no new macs. not even any speedbumps! no new airport express.

geez, i wish i didnt just waste a whole hour.
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it was the developers conference, not a MacWorld keynote.
 
James Philp said:
My guess is Leopard will be a build of tiger that will enable optimization of OS X for intel machines. No new major features. Hence the 12 month time, not longer.
What an hour. What a pile.
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Not sure about that. Remember he did say that it was a requirement that all OS X versions for the past 5 years were compiled/run on x86.
 
You people have to chill a bit....Apple is a business. There is a duty to the shareholders to act in a responsible way and to maximize profit. Obviously the current chipset/design was a deadend and a change was needed. That's it. It's like an airline switching from Airbus to Boeing - a huge expense but done for a reason. I expect the end result to be a better and faster machine from a stronger and more financially stable company. What's not to like about that?
 
eVolcre said:
Not really. If the power of OSX lets you run apps at a "perceivably" faster speed and also has no spyware and viruses, well then the direct comparison is good right? You could , for examle, buy a 1.5 ghz machine that gices you the same effective speed as a Dell 3.0 machine.
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Yeah, except it's not going to be "perceivably" twice as fast. I just see a Best Buy employee "Yes this Mac is fast, but over here we have this HP (with a bigger margin for Best Buy) that costs half as much but is just as fast. It runs Windows XP, which everyone uses and the Mac runs OS "ecks" which you can't buy any software for and isn't compatible with Microsoft Office or the internet.
 
AppleinJapan said:
Thats right !!! ummm normal people just will look at the intel logo and go ummm why $700 more ??? lets get a dell
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"Normal" people don't know the difference between PPC and Intel.

"Normal" people already do what you describe in your post.

"Normal" people neither know nor care that Apple changed from PPC to Intel.
 
iMeowbot said:
Yes, see here, pick for example motherboards and "show non-working", and you can see that this isn't going to be something people will be able to load onto any old PC aqnd expect it to work.
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I don't even recongize 80% of those companies (mother boards)....ummmm
like i said $300 PC vs a $1200 Apple - what are you gonna do ???
 
mcgarry said:
quote hereby immortalized. I think you should be ready to apologize to the cat too.
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Apology is written out and I'm buying a load of KY stock....damn Jobs. He sold out in my mind, but regardless of that, if he sells out on the 'design' and 'feel' of the Apple products, I'm going to kill myself....after fulfilling the pseudo-promise I made that is now immortalized.

Are you serious....we have to have freakin' stickers on our Macs? I mean, sharks with lazer beams is one thing, STICKERS!??? come on.
 
anonymous161 said:
Yeah, except it's not going to be "perceivably" twice as fast. I just see a Best Buy employee "Yes this Mac is fast, but over here we have this HP (with a bigger margin for Best Buy" that costs half as much but is just as fast. It runs Windows XP, which everyone uses and the Mac runs OS "ecks" which you can't buy any software for and isn't compatible with Microsoft Office or the internet.
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Why is that any different from the current state of affairs? From a risk benefit standpoint, if you have the same risk as before but have an arguably quantifiable positive benefit, you would take the risk because of the marginal benefit (however small) you see.
 
Gherkin said:
"Normal" people don't know the difference between PPC and Intel.

"Normal" people already do what you describe in your post.

"Normal" people neither know nor care that Apple changed from PPC to Intel.
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Ok ok - sorry I mean the average "joe" on the street eg: my Parents - Who think price eg: Apple is too expensive !!
 
Gherkin said:
"Normal" people don't know the difference between PPC and Intel.

"Normal" people already do what you describe in your post.

"Normal" people neither know nor care that Apple changed from PPC to Intel.
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AMEN
 
Gherkin said:
"Normal" people don't know the difference between PPC and Intel.

"Normal" people already do what you describe in your post.

"Normal" people neither know nor care that Apple changed from PPC to Intel.
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"Mac heads" wont pay 3k for a system that has been terminated. Sales will drop to nothing in the coming months.
Mac just died... :(
 
bodeh6 said:
How then are they going to keep info like this on their website

Fastest Bus in the West
The G5 features a scalable design that enables it to run at clock speeds up to 2.7GHz. But all the megahertz in the world wouldn’t mean squat if the G5 were stuck talking to the rest of the machine at the 167MHz bus speed of the Power Mac G4. That’s why each G5 features two unidirectional 32-bit data paths: one traveling into the processor and one traveling from the processor, unlike previous designs. Its frontside bus works at speeds up to 1.35GHz for an astounding 10.8GBps of total bandwidth. That makes it over 280MHz faster than even the latest Intel 925XE chipset, which sputters out at 1066MHz.

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Two points:

1/ Read the keynote. These are old figures, and Jobs is comparing power available in 06/07. G5 may be good for selected stuff today, but it's going NOWHERE! The graph you pasted doesn't include 64 bit intel chips or dual core intel chips.

2/ Read the keynote. This isn't just about raw power, but power per watt. We're NEVER going to see a G5 laptop, 'cos they're way too hot. Centrino etc. give power without the heat, so a switch is required.

I don't actually believe that the switch is all positive (I think IBM pushed Steve as much as he jumped...) but I also don't really believe Apple's old performance comparisons, and anyway 2007 is not 2004...
 
AppleinJapan said:
Ok ok - sorry I mean the average "joe" on the street eg: my Parents - Who think price eg: Apple is too expensive !!
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To reiterate, how is that different from the current state of affairs?
 
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