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Originally posted by JesseJames
Well, in response to the Apple Reps. doing the work at Best Buy. I will remain HIGHLY skeptical. If they truly are from Apple then I'll be impressed. If they are just boneheads who are filling in. I'll do this--->:rolleyes:
the apple reps in compUSA (that i have seen) are pretty sharp. i've no reason to assume that the ones put in best buy would be any dumber, or meaner or anything like that.
 
Switch Aisle

I know Best Buy could add a section to the store called "Switch" with nothing but Mac Products and a 52" Widescreen that plays nothing but "Switch" Ads!
 
Re: Switch Aisle

Originally posted by KingJobs
I know Best Buy could add a section to the store called "Switch" with nothing but Mac Products and a 52" Widescreen that plays nothing but "Switch" Ads!
that could get incredibly annoying, especially with the sound on.
 
Re: Re: Switch Aisle

Originally posted by Shadowfax
that could get incredibly annoying, especially with the sound on.

How about also having videos about how to switch with ads playing during commercial breaks. Also, messages from Steve and Phil, and the Macworld Keynote.
 
Re: Switch Aisle

Originally posted by KingJobs
I know Best Buy could add a section to the store called "Switch" with nothing but Mac Products and a 52" Widescreen that plays nothing but "Switch" Ads!
I doubt Best Buy would do any special catering to Apple products, and I'm sure that some pc makers might have issues with there being a special section titled "Switch."
Playing Apple ads periodically on the monitors might not be a bad idea though.
 
Re: Re: Re: Switch Aisle

Originally posted by KingJobs
How about also having videos about how to switch with ads playing during commercial breaks. Also, messages from Steve and Phil, and the Macworld Keynote.
not as bad, but i think that it would be more than enough to just have competent salesmen there.
 
i think it's story time boys and girls.


i used to work at a best buy here in minnesota. so here's the ins and outs.

granted, most of the sales people really don't know anything. but that's only because the people that do know everything aren't really able to get the "good" sales jobs (ie computer department). it's mostly the people who only care about getting best buy the most money and wanting to get a higher position with the company. those people are known as "lifers". best buy is actually a terrible place to work because of these people. the lifers care more about selling the most expensive toys with the most accessories. by the way, accessories is where the numbers are folks!.

speaking of numbers. best buy employees are told that they need to out-perform all other best buy stores in certain areas. each department has it's own goals. the computer department, for example, has goals of selling xx number of MSN connections per day, xx number of UPS backups, xx number of best buy credit cards, xx number of service plans, xx numbert of the most expensive cables, and xx number of blank media (CDRs DVDRs).

moving on to the point about apple representatives in the store...best buy already has lexmark and sprint reps in the stores at almost all times. this is because the employees seem to have a hard time selling both lexmark printers and sprint cell plans. (both of which are pretty crappy). ever since the representatives have been moved in, lexmark and sprint sales have gone really really high. so, the idea of putting apple reps in the store is a good idea...on one condition...they are not turned into apple reps/best buy employees. by that i mean that the apple reps need to be NOT required to sell MSN, best buy credit, etc. customers HATE being offered MSN. apple employees need to be in a position where they are to help best buy employees learn more about macs, yet not be told how to sell PCs.

it's comparison time.

BOSE equipment is and has been sold in best buy stores for some time now. by "sold", i mean customers look at it...and then look away. each store has it's own section, secluded from the theater booths for bose speakers. Bose is known to the general public to be way overpriced. and jsut not necessary. sony, yamaha, and jvc make speakers that are just as good for a lot less of the price. employees barely EVER sell bose equipment in most stores. in the store i worked at, i never, EVER saw any customer buy anything made by bose.

apple computers are known to be a bit pricey. but they are just as pricey as sony vaios. the only way that customers will even see the macs is if they are well-lit and right next to every other computer in the store. not in the next aisle over, not in a corner, right out in the open.

currently, every best buy that i have been in does not have any room for that kind of placement. i can see the macs being put in the next aisle next to the CDRs where everyone runs in and grabs something and runs out as fast as they can so sales people don't try to sell them the overpriced blank CDs.


but then again, the main problem with best buy...
corporate...best buy corporate and microsoft have some of the largest deals together between two separate companies to date. microsoft will NOT allow best buy to start selling a more substantial amount of macs. besides, MSN is not available for macs right? MSN and windows are the two biggest money-makers for both best buy and microsoft.

end of story


but i will continue if you have any questions.
 
I can see it now...

Customer: So Best Buy Employee, show me how this digital device works.

Best Buy Employee: Sure sir! Let me plug it into PC #1!

PC #1: Device ERROR.

Best Buy Employee: Well somebody must have messed with that. Let me try it over here.

PC #2: (Blue Screen of Death)

Best Buy Employee: Ummm..

Chuckling Apple Employee: Here. Gimme that.

Mac #1: Would you like to import your photos?

Customer: Hmmm... lemme see... maybe I'll buy... the Mac.

Oh c'mon. You know it'll happen.

Really though I hope what happens is that they have the computers set up like they do in the Apple Stores. Any time I go to Best Buy it seems like the computer is locked down and you can play with their demo they have running. But you can't use the computer. When I went to the Apple Store I was simply blown away by the fact that I could use all kinds of programs, browse the internet, probably even create a music video in the store if I wanted to and burn it to DVD. I know in Best Buy it probably won't be that extreme but we can at least hope for 1/10th of that or so.
 
I, for one, think that this is a great step for Apple in reaching out to Joe or Jane Consumer. When the average person goes to buy a computer, they will go to their local electronics store, which will, of course, have mostly or only Windows PCs. As the average person appreciates pretty things that work well (I think, I hope :D), seeing Macs there will make them think twice about just buying the cheapest (read: eMachines) computer. A trained and knowledgable Apple rep standing there to help them will close the deal.

Also, I have a friend who works at Best Buy. I see Apple discounts in my future... :D Too bad it's against Best Buy policy...
 
Originally posted by Shadowfax
MSN isn't mac compatible?

Yes it is... Microsoft was handing out CDs at Macworld.

This could be both a blessing and a curse. It may remove some of the problems that Microsoft would have with Apples presence at Best Buy, but it could also mean that the people selling the Mac would be required to push the MSN plans.
 
Originally posted by ibookin'@mwny
Yes it is... Microsoft was handing out CDs at Macworld.

This could be both a blessing and a curse. It may remove some of the problems that Microsoft would have with Apples presence at Best Buy, but it could also mean that the people selling the Mac would be required to push the MSN plans.
i thought it was, heh.

i hate that anyone should have to sell MSN crap. they should just tell the customer about it and say there is a free trial on the desktop/in the applications folder.
 
Originally posted by ibookin'@mwny
Yes it is... Microsoft was handing out CDs at Macworld.

This could be both a blessing and a curse. It may remove some of the problems that Microsoft would have with Apples presence at Best Buy, but it could also mean that the people selling the Mac would be required to push the MSN plans.

ok so between when i worked at best buy and now it has become compatible.

so that means...apple employees get to annoy people at best buy with MSN...

even though, (i forgot to mention this), my best buy store made TWICE as much selling astound and charter cable connections as an MSN DIAL-UP!
 
Originally posted by mnkeybsness
even though, (i forgot to mention this), my best buy store made TWICE as much selling astound and charter cable connections as an MSN DIAL-UP!

I like the idea of pushing broadband services instead of dial-up. It gives the user a better computing experience.

I hate when salesmen push service agreements, though. I know they're required to, but a lot of people get suckered into something they'll never use. 100% profit for Best Buy...

Makes me wonder, though. Will the sales people push AppleCare or the Best Buy plans?
 
Hey mnkeybsness. That's exactly what I mean. I've worked in retail too and it's a soul sucking line of work. Especially in commission driven sales. All the guys who worked on commission were snakes. Even if their personality was laid back and cool that would change when they had a customer "in the box" and went for the kill. I'm so glad I'm not in that world anymore. I'd rather move boxes in a warehouse than go back to that.
 
Selling Macs at Best Buy would definitely turn Emeryville, CA (a small town with about 7,000 residents) into Mac Central, as there is an apple store, Best Buy, CompUSA, and Pixar's HQ within a 1-mile radius. Coincidence? :D
 
Originally posted by JesseJames
I'm sorry but this is a bad idea. Most fools who shop at Worst Buy deserve to buy a crappy computer. Not a Mac.

While the 'best buy' experience isn't the best in the world, Apple would make some killer sales. In the town where I live, hundreds, if not thousands of people come from Mexico every day. The store is constantly packed, and many people from across the border come with thousands of dollars in cash to buy all of their electronics. The CompUSA where I live can't keep their top of the line models in stock because people from Mexico (artists and such) are always buying them, and putting them in 'best buy' would only increase Apple's visibility. If a CompUSA in a really crappy location can sell their top of the line Macs, a best buy that is constantly crowded and packed can do a good job too...
 
Originally posted by ibookin'@mwny

I hate when salesmen push service agreements, though. I know they're required to, but a lot of people get suckered into something they'll never use. 100% profit for Best Buy...

actually, best buy will only make a 25% margin off of selling their service plans because they sell them from a private business who hire the service techs when for when a computer gets in-home service or a product needs to be shipped for service.
 
Originally posted by mnkeybsness
actually, best buy will only make a 25% margin off of selling their service plans because they sell them from a private business who hire the service techs when for when a computer gets in-home service or a product needs to be shipped for service.

this whole thing could get hairy, couldn't it? with applecare vs. best buy's extended warranty, yr effectively competing with BB's cash cow, or annoying the vender who sells the service, as mentioned above.

plus, BB will get very little profit off the hardware sales (margins are small enough as is, apple has garunteed pricing plans, what do resellers get? a couple hundred per machine?), it becomes hard for me to see what's in this for best buy. it's a no brainer for apple; get your stuff out there. but, seriously, what does best buy stand to take home from this deal? selling slightly more printers and usb cables?
 
So mnkeybsness, what's your take (pro and con) on the service agreements, if a customer is face with that decision? I know I've held out from buying an iPod from apple becasue I could get a cheaper deal with BEST BUY...Any horror stories?
 
Originally posted by NavyIntel007
That's good for me. There are plenty of closer best buys to my house or apartment than either compusa or the apple store.

Me too. The closest Apple Store is nearly two hours away...there are NO mac dealers here at all...Circuit City used to be and I loved it but they stopped. Hopefully it'll eventually come to the BestBuy here!
 
Originally posted by trebblekicked
this whole thing could get hairy, couldn't it? with applecare vs. best buy's extended warranty, yr effectively competing with BB's cash cow, or annoying the vender who sells the service, as mentioned above.

Doesn't Best Buy extend the manufacturers warranty? I know if I buy a PC with a one year limited warranty and get the BB 3yr extended, I have 4 years of coverage.

Now apply that to apple care. If I buy apple care, then buy a BB extended warranty, do I get 6 years of coverage?

I do know that BB extended warranty is a great thing. Had a cell phone, got suckered into the warranty. Two months later, cell phone was in jeans pocket in the washing machine. Got it replaced no questions asked.

Granted nobody will want to pay $500 for additional coverage, but why is that a bad thing?
 
Originally posted by chewbaccapits
So mnkeybsness, what's your take (pro and con) on the service agreements, if a customer is face with that decision? I know I've held out from buying an iPod from apple becasue I could get a cheaper deal with BEST BUY...Any horror stories?

by service agreements i assume that you mean "3-year service plan", which they offer on all computers. they are a bit price $150 or more. and on an apple computer...i don't really thing that they are worth it. i haven't heard of nearly the percent of macs needing service as PCs.

but also, i think there will be a little bit of a conflict with the service plan from best buy and the 3-year extended applecare. i don't think best buy would like the idea of them selling a different type of service that they will not make any money off of. but then again, maybe they wil look at what happened last time when people bought macs with the service, only to find best buy not honoring them.
 
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