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Mac is a PC, OS X runs on a "PC" as does Windows on a "PC" Mac via boot camp. Under that ultra sleak design and sexy interior are components found in dells, HPs etc.

same pig runs OS X and Windows, be it a fashionable pig.




Wrong. Mac is a Mac, not a PC.
It could contains similar, or even identical hardware, but it's not a PC.
OS X is designed with a very specific hardware in mind. Windows is not.
Windows totally lacks any coherence.
I'm using Windows (7, 8 and 10) every day, I'm not saying it's totally bad, but surely is not integrated with the hardware platform like OS X is.
 
This also reminds me when Microsoft made the Xbox 360 and the games for it, guess what Microsoft used to make their games? Mac Pros. They both used the IBM processors.

How ironic is this.

Time changes everything.
 
Wrong. Mac is a Mac, not a PC.
It could contains similar, or even identical hardware, but it's not a PC.
OS X is designed with a very specific hardware in mind. Windows is not.
Windows totally lacks any coherence.
I'm using Windows (7, 8 and 10) every day, I'm not saying it's totally bad, but surely is not integrated with the hardware platform like OS X is.
Everyone knows Mac now is sealed with PC hardware. So Mac is in fact still a PC installed with specific software. Everyone can easily destroy stock Mac OS X environment and install Windows on top of it without bothering messing up with boot camp.

But yeah. Mac is optimised for their hardware. Once it is ok, then everyone would happy. However, I personally doubt this.

Let us see how IBM goes with it by replacing all PC to Mac.
 
Correction. Every time someone on this forum point out the ridiculous hysteria behind every single Apple release, it's labelled as a fanboy ...

I can see very few "opinions" on MacRumors lately, and a lot of whining, crying, screaming ...

A news has not to be "Positive" or "negative": it's just a news.

Apple released a new iMac 4K. Good. It has some disappointing points (5400RPM spinner, no dGPU in every configuration, soldered RAM and so on ....). Good, it is ok to highlight it and discuss over it. No reason to become a drama queen and start the hysteria about "Tim Cook is a nut .... Jobs was better ... Apple is ripping us ... Macs are appliances ... Windows is better".

This is what EVERY SINGLE THREAD is ....
Speaking about users on a wrong site, I think they should think about considering a good Windows centric website, where they can insult Apple and being fully supported.

This happens on every forum, be it Apple, android , Microsoft etc.

Users are passionate about thier products .

You realise many of these people are Apple fans, who do not like Windows and just do not like the direction Apple is taking on certain products . These are not haters.

Support for a company is not black and white.

I say ignore the opinions you disagree with . Debate is good. Balance of users is good. Don't forget the true haters balance the irrational fanboys .... Both as bad as each other.

Let's put down the pitch forks and deal with the irrational haters with intellectual debate I say.
 
what exactly is easier to do on a mac than a pc? i've tried both and macs simply have less customization than pcs..?

Everything is easier on a Mac, but you’re probably an advanced user who has no problem with either system, and that skews your perspective.

So how long until Microsoft switches to Macs while shifting their entire focus to services?

If the Surface Book sells well, Microsoft might switch its focus to hardware rather than services.

I guess if you can't sell enough low budget iwack (latest iMac) and wackPros, I guess IBM would buy it.

Threatened much?
 
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They're using JAMF Casper Suite for their macs.

The last time I looked, if the company does not want to buy additional third party software for that purpose, an IT team would simply use Microsoft's WSUS and Group Policies to distribute software to client PCs. The user would not even have to click anything - the software would just appear installed and ready on his machine. And this is just what built-in features of Windows and Windows Server do for you - of course, there are also other software solutions available that will significantly increase the ease of use, if you want or need that.

The only thing noteworthy here is that some external party developed a software for Macs that serves a similar purpose - and they needed to mention that because everybody in the business already knows that Apple provides no such tools for their own operating system.

Regarding the amount of software calls, there is not even remotely enough data and background information available to make a meaningful judgment. Are those users sitting in the same departments as the PC users doing the same work and using the same front- and back-end software and do all users have admin privileges or are they all restricted users? If there were actual similarities between the user groups, that number might tell us something meaningful about the differences between the platforms. As it is, it's just marketing ********.

I've 35 years of IT background and 20+ years of that in professional IT and for more than a decade I have now worked in large multi-platform environments. I don't care if you throw a Windows or Linux machine at me or a Mac. What I know from experience is that Macs make nice computers at home or in rather small and isolated environments. But in corporate networks, when you need more than just a web browser or simple access to a file server somewhere, they still just don't play well with others and you always have to go the extra mile to make a Mac work well enough with the rest of the environment. So pardon me when my work experience tells me that it's at best wishful romantic thinking when somebody says that Macs need less support than PCs. It's as easy - or hard - to migrate to Linux as it is to migrate to a Mac, and integrating each platform into a corporate environment requires about the same effort. Either Linux has come a long way or OS X hasn't sufficiently evolved where it matters for businesses. The truth remains that only Microsoft offers - out of the box - all the necessary tools to build, maintain and support a large environment where all services integrate well with each other while also providing centralized administration. Yes, there are third party tools for everything everywhere - for a load of extra money, of course. But out of the box, Microsoft still is the unchallenged king of the hill.

The only thing that I see here is the joint marketing machinery of Apple's and IBM's partnership at work.

If the Surface Book sells well, Microsoft might switch its focus to hardware rather than services.

No, they wouldn't, simply because it's not their core business. Their Surface (and Lumia) products should be regarded as reference hardware, not as an attempt to kill their OEM business.
 
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When IBM is fully transitioned to Macs, it’ll be the random PC and Linux box which won’t play nicely with others.
 
No, they wouldn't, simply because it's not their core business. Their Surface (and Lumia) products should be regarded as reference hardware, not as an attempt to kill their OEM business.

It’s not their core business now, but what happens if Microsoft finds out, thanks to massive sales of the Surface Book, that the secret to Apple-size success is in hardware sales?
 
do all users have admin privileges or are they all restricted users?

I've not worked anywhere where I've admin privileges on anything that sits on a corporate network. IF I were the IT guy I'd not let any user have them no matter how knowledgeable there's just to much at stake. I can't imagine IBM lets any end user have admin privileges no matter the OS.
 
This also reminds me when Microsoft made the Xbox 360 and the games for it, guess what Microsoft used to make their games? Mac Pros. They both used the IBM processors.

How ironic is this.

Time changes everything.

No, that were re-branded PowerMacs G5, and those were only needed and used when the Xbox 360 hardware was still under development and not yet released. The Mac Pro didn't yet exist at that time. But if you find that ironic, then you should also find it ironic that Apple moved away from the PowerPC to Intel architecture at the same time. Or that back in the day an Apple Lisa was required to write software for the Mac, because the Mac couldn't host its own development environment.

Both companies had very valid technical reasons for their respective moves. Apple needed mobile processors that were impossible to build with the PowerPC architecture, so they had to jump on the Intel bandwagon. Microsoft didn't need mobile CPUs, but they needed a powerful and affordable custom-made multi-processor technology for the Xbox - and at that time, PowerPC CPUs were widely used in mainframe environments.

What's really ironic here is the fact that Microsoft could put a triple-core G5 processor in a 300 Euro game console when at the same time a similarly poweful Apple PowerMac G5 would have cost you around 2000 Euros...

I've not worked anywhere where I've admin privileges on anything that sits on a corporate network. IF I were the IT guy I'd not let any user have them no matter how knowledgeable there's just to much at stake. I can't imagine IBM lets any end user have admin privileges no matter the OS.

That was basically rhetorical. Except for sys-admins, software developers and certain engineering departments, nobody in a corporate network would normally have local admin privileges.

The question remains why would normal PC-users that by definition due to a lack of access privileges cannot screw up their own machines need more support than Mac (or Linux) users with the same restricted access? If that's truly the case, then maybe it's rather a question of the involved applications than a question of the client platform...
 
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That was basically rhetorical. Except for sys-admins, software developers and certain engineering departments, nobody in a corporate network would normally have local admin privileges.

The question remains why would normal PC-users that by definition due to a lack of access privileges cannot screw up their own machines need more support than Mac (or Linux) users with the same restricted access? If that's truly the case, then maybe it's rather a question of the involved applications than a question of the client platform...

This is probably the case, or maybe that combined with Mac IT support not being mature. It could also be more contented employees.
 
Wrong. Mac is a Mac, not a PC.
It could contains similar, or even identical hardware, but it's not a PC.
OS X is designed with a very specific hardware in mind. Windows is not.
Windows totally lacks any coherence.
I'm using Windows (7, 8 and 10) every day, I'm not saying it's totally bad, but surely is not integrated with the hardware platform like OS X is.

Wrong . It's a PC with optimised software for that hardware configuration . Hardware configuration running PC architecture .

Your rationale seems to be along an Asus graphics card or motherboard not being say x79 PC motherboard or a gtx980 just cause Asus optimised the reference design and loaded tweaked bios / drivers.

They are just PC parts.

Could a power PC Mac run Windows ? I can setup a MacBook Pro to run just Windows , by definition is that not a PC? I believe it is.

Windows runs just fine on this very specific hardware, cause it's a PC :) OS X is tuned for it.

Though at times I've had to use Windows on my Mac cause the OS X drivers did not play well with certain hardware . Pros/cons

Macs make sense for IBM cause they can run Windows . IBM is not switching to OS X , it's a great tool giving you best of both worlds , on the same hardware.
 
Everyone knows Mac now is sealed with PC hardware. So Mac is in fact still a PC installed with specific software. Everyone can easily destroy stock Mac OS X environment and install Windows on top of it without bothering messing up with boot camp.

But yeah. Mac is optimised for their hardware. Once it is ok, then everyone would happy. However, I personally doubt this.

Let us see how IBM goes with it by replacing all PC to Mac.
The very moment you install Windows only on a Mac, it become a PC... because you just lost the optimization between OS and hardware.

This happens on every forum, be it Apple, android , Microsoft etc.

Users are passionate about thier products .

You realise many of these people are Apple fans, who do not like Windows and just do not like the direction Apple is taking on certain products . These are not haters.

Support for a company is not black and white.

I say ignore the opinions you disagree with . Debate is good. Balance of users is good. Don't forget the true haters balance the irrational fanboys .... Both as bad as each other.

Let's put down the pitch forks and deal with the irrational haters with intellectual debate I say.
No dear, I can't see this hysteria on any of the Android or Microsoft forums I'm following (I'm an Android and Microsoft user too), if not when they speak about ...... Apple !

Every time Apple is involved, there are people going nuts.
Debate is good, I agree, but what's happening here is not debating most of the times.

Oh. Maybe I can say I lose Mac and some best software just only for Mac OS X.

Other than that, Mac is still a PC. :)
I'm not speaking about just the software. I'm speaking about the iteration between hardware and software in Apple ecosystem.
They aren't perfect. They are sometimes greedy. They have a mostly walled garden mentality. But they know ho to make iDevices and Mac use an enjoining experience. Every time I have to work with a Windows computer I'm annoyed.
 
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The very moment you install Windows only on a Mac, it become a PC... because you just lost the optimization between OS and hardware.
Oh. Maybe I can say I lose Mac and some best software just only for Mac OS X.

Other than that, Mac is still a PC. :)
 
Wrong . It's a PC with optimised software for that hardware configuration . Hardware configuration running PC architecture .
I think you guys are arguing over semantics.

The Mac is a Personal Computer, i.e., a computer but most people identify PCs to be a windows machine. Either way Apple has advantages because they control the hardware and software and in the past that shown to be a highly integrated environment that runs well.

I think Windows has caught up to a lot of what OS X does without that integration and OS X has lost some luster, at least with Yosemite.

Regardless of which OS you choose, pick one that best fits your needs.

It’s not their core business now, but what happens if Microsoft finds out, thanks to massive sales of the Surface Book, that the secret to Apple-size success is in hardware sales?
The SP3 has enjoyed very good success and the initial rollout of the SurfaceBook has sold out. You now have to wait several weeks (a month?) if you wish to pre-order the SurfaceBook
 
No dear, I can't see this hysteria on any of the Android or Microsoft forums I'm following (I'm an Android and Microsoft user too), if not when they speak about ...... Apple !

Every time Apple is involved, there are people going nuts.
Debate is good, I agree, but what's happening here is not debating most of the times.

You at least have to buy me a drink before calling me dear ;) ease up tiger...

you are correct, it happens more here, 2 reasons, some Apple fans are fanatical, and debates tend to be non technical , a trolls dream!

Ignore these people, but do not put people in the same bucket who have reservations about the evolution of Apple products who are disgruntled fans! The 5400rpm drive in a iMac in 2015 great debate, 16GB iPhone another great debate. Non upgradable / serviceable macs... ****** evolution for long term fans, where tinkering and thinking outside the box was the Apple way etc etc.

I have a love / hate relationship with Apple at times. I am fortunate to be able afford specs in the line up that are not gimped by Apple on purpose, through voice my opinion against say a 5400 drive in a non serviceable Mac or 16gb base 6s....u know what I mean .

You may also notice a few senior posters who are huge Apple fans , have done their part to derail this thread into a debate about Microsoft . These brothers / sisters are just as bad as the haters! Not cool either .
 
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I think you guys are arguing over semantics.

The Mac is a Personal Computer, i.e., a computer but most people identify PCs to be a windows machine. Either way Apple has advantages because they control the hardware and software and in the past that shown to be a highly integrated environment that runs well.

I think Windows has caught up to a lot of what OS X does without that integration and OS X has lost some luster, at least with Yosemite.

Regardless of which OS you choose, pick one that best fits your needs.

You are correct. We are splitting hairs.

my point is just about the hardware.

My MacBook runs Windows 10 and yoshimite like a dream. The OS have pros / Cons.

My opinion is that a Mac is the best optimised PC on the market to OS X .

Though yeah semantics, let's all hug and agree we love our Intel chips :)
 
My opinion is that a Mac is the best optimised PC on the market to OS X .
It is, because Apple controls both the hardware and software. As noted though you can run Windows on a Mac without any major issues. Though I have and sometimes have some minor niggling driver issues.

I also can have some minor irritating issues with running windows on windows machines. I think if you look at the SP4 or the SurfaceBook you'll see a high degree of hardware/software integration with Windows. - at least I have using my SP3.
 
i still cant see a majority of corp america moving to macs. unless they make a docking station, make it easier for in house repairs and upgrades, and Microsoft Office becomes more optimized.
 
what exactly is easier to do on a mac than a pc? i've tried both and macs simply have less customization than pcs..?

You're on the wrong side of the barrier son. You should think in better terms, like how can you do your job faster, more efficient and with fewer headaches. Hence, your macbook pro becomes the sole response to the equation.

If you want customization, stick with your dumb green terminal made by Microsoft and leave these premises immediately, mkey? Don't forget to return your mac for a full refund, so a kid out there would truly enjoy the "refurbished as new" result of efficiency and insight of the greatest designer minds.

"Piece" and out.

i still cant see a majority of corp america moving to macs. unless they make a docking station, make it easier for in house repairs and upgrades, and Microsoft Office becomes more optimized.

Are you positive you're on the right forum? Last I checked this kind of question you'd see on tenforums.com
 
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It's all about specs and spyware.

OSX tends to run fast and not hang because you don't get underpowered or badly configured hardware it's setup to run well. The specs on a mac will always render a system that runs well for any user task in my experience.

Spyware, malware, plugins, registry errors, corrupt drivers etc etc, whatever windows does their OS is under attack from every angle. Every bit of software installs a toolbar or some kind of addon that kills the machine or slows some aspect of performance. There are browser games that backdoor in some crapware and windows users just end up clicking boxes to get rid and end up with more! Windows on a mac is still a terrible experience too.

It's not about being better, sure some windows apps aren't on mac but from using windows since 3.1 i've always spent a lot of my time fixing issues i shouldn't, and all just to enjoy normal functions and compatibility. I've used a mac for 2 years and have had my issues but they have all been related to running bootcamp and windows corrupting mac side (macdrive/paragon) thank goodness for Time Machine. I've had zero issues to sort and fix! none, it's like living in a different reality.

The IT department wants some issues but 40% must be more work than the team really needs.

I'm sure productivity is up too as a result of the reduced IT issues impacting?
 
i still cant see a majority of corp america moving to macs. unless they make a docking station, make it easier for in house repairs and upgrades, and Microsoft Office becomes more optimized.
Agreed, especially when many enterprises have licesnse deals for inexpensive desktops or laptops. The low upfront cost satisfies the bean counters especially when you consider that it will get replaced in 3 to 5 years.

You're on the wrong side of the barrier son. You should think in better terms, like how can you do your job faster, more efficient and with fewer headaches. Hence, your macbook pro becomes the sole response to the equation.
There are long term savings to be had with using Macs over PCs and one other aspect aside from efficiency is managing the computers from a corporate standpoint. That is, you no longer have to worry about Patch Tuesday.
 
Why am i not surprised ? While MS hardware is making real progress, Windows 10 has become the worst privacy nightmare imaginable. They're now doing what Google does, but directly in your OS, wich is even more efficient. Win10 is basically a giant keylogger monetising everything you do on your desktop. They seem to be in a panic, to the point of actually FORCING Win 10 updates on 7 and 8 PCs : http://arstechnica.com/information-...ng-automatically-on-some-windows-7-8-systems/

No business ( or individual for that matter ) wants to have their business secrets in the hands of MS. Not surprised that IBM would start pushing OSX more and more..
I think MS is shooting themselves in the foot with their new I-Wanna-Be-Google-Too attitude. You can expect more and more businesses switching ( maybe reluctantly ) to Macs in the upcoming year.
 
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