MacWorld Boston 2004

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by psxndc


No one said this. One poster said they didn't feel safe in NY anymore and others turned it into a 9/11 issue.

As for where the hojackers came from, I'm not above admitting I was wrong. I thought they all came from maine. My apologies. Regardless, saying "It's Boston's fault" is bs. It's the US ****ty foreign policy that is to blame. That and fanatical lunatics that go against the teachings they claim to believe in.

-psxndc

Bull****!!! What the hell do you think those posters were alluding to? NY street crime? PLEASE. And by the way, Logan Airport, American Airlines and United Airlines all share in the responsibility of 9-11. If they were more responsible, it might have been averted.

And you were wrong......

 

[touchsky]

The idea is to get visitors right?

Lets see...what is Apples biggest markets, hum...lets see....umm....Graphics, Publishing....moving into Video....alway been leader in Audio....sure this makes since....of course Boston has all of these things in so much abundance...my god it is the Media capital of the world....I see why they are making the move...(They're Freakin' idots) Prediction...Attendance down...20%

NYC is much more easily accessible from DC, Philly, Boston....there is a reason that 1 8th of the the US population lives within in a 100mile radius of the City...it is the HUB. As far as feeling safe....there are more cops in NYC then any other city in the country. I have lived in NYC area most of my life and have never felt scared except for 9/11 and I think everyone in the country felt scared that day. I might be biased but I don't think any other city could have survived that day as well as NYC.

This move is based on Money plain and simple, Boston gave the better kickback. Screws most of the Mac community but hell someone is getting rich from it.

 

[psxndc]

And you were wrong......

Very mature of you. Anyways...

Though NY and DC were the targets of 9/11, people fearing them predates it. I specifically didn't go to NY for New Years in 2000 because if **** went down, it was going to go down there. Likewise, even if 9/11 didn't happen, and for whatever reason we were on Al Quada's ****list, NY and DC would be the primary targets due to population and cultural/political significance.

My point of "people turned it into 9/11" was because one poster said he didn't feel safe if NY. Then another poster went off about how it was Boston's fault, blah blah blah. Everyone needs to get the "it was Boston's fault" chip off their shoulder.

The posts about revenue down because of NY's population or makeup or media business importance are valid discussion points. Taking potshots at an entire city are not. I've obviously not made friends here, so until the conversation turns back to actual discussion about MacWorld instead of 9/11 and fault, don't expect replies from me.

-psxndc

 

[Djk515]

Dammit

Well this sux! I've lived in the Boston area all my life and been interested in Macs since I got my first Peforma when I was 11. I've followed MWNY every year since then and now when Macworld finally comes to Boston I'll be down at Parris Island Marine Corps Recruit Depot for Boot Camp. That sux. What kinda luck is that? eh well.

 

[BigBurd]

not so

"Prediction...Attendance down...20%"

I disagree. The Boston area is still the educational hub of America. I would guess that, just because of this fact, the Boston area has many more Mac users per capita. Therefore, I think that attendance will not be down.

Anyway, why be so bitter? This isn't the end of the world. Pack your bags for Boston. You may fall in love with the city.

Hope to see you there.

 

[Wyvernspirit]

Sorry...

I didn't mean to single out 9/11 when I said I did not feel safe. I do not feel safe in ANY city. Never have. And don't get me started on Police. All the police in the world mean nothing if all they do is eat donuts and drink coffee.

And for those of you "speculating" as to why it came back to Boston, well first: it was always meant to. NY was just a temp host till boston got a "real" expo center, and Second: the reason that is, is becuase the event planner is from Boston and has family heer.

Anyways, I'll shut up now. At least now I can go.

 

[scem0]

9-11 shouldn't have anything to do w/ mw boston 2004.

 

[macsurfer]

Apple will NOT be attending Mac Expo in Boston

http://www.macminute.com/2002/10/17/appleboston


Apple will not attend Macworld Expo Boston in 2004
October 17, 2002 - 11:22 EDT__ In a statement issued to MacMinute by Apple PR, the company confirmed that it will not make the move to Boston in July 2004, and is "re-evaluating" its participation in the New York show next summer. "Today IDG announced plans to move Macworld New York to Boston in July of 2004. Apple disagrees with this decision, and will not be participating in Macworld Boston. Since IDG is no longer investing in New York, we now need to re-evaluate our participation in Macworld New York 2003. Apple will continue to participate in Macworld San Francisco in January."

 

[macsurfer]

Re: Sorry...

Originally posted by Wyvernspirit
I do not feel safe in ANY city. Never have. And don't get me started on Police. All the police in the world mean nothing if all they do is eat donuts and drink coffee....and Second: the reason that is, is becuase the event planner is from Boston and has family heer.

Are you one of those shut-ins that won't go outside either?


Heer?

 

[touchsky]

Thought So...

Well....the Apple statement pretty much sums up what I had heard from Apple friends. They didn't agree with the move for the same reasons which I said before. Boston isn't a big enough market for what Apple is and has been focusing on and that is Media. Hope IDG doesn't P@#$ off Apple to the point they pull out of NYC also.

 

[BigBurd]

re: thought so

The announcement, by Apple, didn't state why they disagreed with the move to Boston. (Please, everyone, don't jump in and say that the reason is obvious. You'll just start more arguments.) I'll be interested to see exactly why Apple won't participate.

I just had an interesting conversation with a friend. He said that he wouldn't care if Apple participated at any of the Macworld Expos. He said that Apple will probably still make announcements regarding new products while the Expos are running, or make them immediately prior to the event. He even said that he never spent much time at the Apple booths. He spent more time at the 3rd party vendor booths.

Interesting.

 

[touchsky]

re:thought so....

This was not based on speculation...this was based on information from Apple employees...pretty reliable and high ranking....

Peace.

 

[yamadataro]

It's business guys!

IDG is in the trade fair business!

And moving to Boston was a pure financial decision, am I right? Any other factors ? Well then, on the other hand, Apple made a pure marketing decision not to attend Boston one.

I'm not so sure what Apple's marcketing department is thinking about, maybe the key elements would be mental images of cutting edge New York culture, the creative industry in NYC and the fact that people can do tourist thing after attending the show (like Las Vegas). I used to live in NYC and never been to Boston, so I'm not sure if qualified to say this, but I feel that Boston does not have this Las Vegas quality? Prove it to me if I'm wrong.

Are there any good reasons for Apple to do a show in Boston than in New York?
I don't know.

Are there any good reason for IDG to do a show in Boston?
Hell yeah! M-O-N-E-Y!

I personally feel that MW Expo will not be the same without Apple's attendance. I mean MW without Steve Job's keynote??? No way! Needless to say Apple's gotta go what it's gotta do.

Anyway how was it like to have a MW show in Boston back then? Does anyone care to comment?

 

[NicoMan]

I think Apple is understandably upset at IDG for moving the show to Boston:
1. Media/publishing/creative presence is a lot stronger in NY than in Boston.
2. MacWorld Boston doesn't feel as 'glamorous' as MacWorld NY, especially to us non-US residents. I don't mean any direspect to the Bostonians out there but just the fact that there is New York in the name gives it a special ring, as if to say it is for the whole world (anyway that's how it feels to me).
3. The fact that (i guess) people are more enclined to travel to NewYork for other reasons, so they can kill 2 birds with one stone.

That being said, i don't believe that Apple will stay away from that tradeshow: i think they are trying to renegotiate some deal with IDG and using this as a sort of threat to get what they want... In a way it backfired with IDG threatening to keep Apple out of MWSF, but then who is going to believe that IDG would do it anyway (that would be pure suicide).

All in all, i don't think that the tradeshow makes a massive difference to the Mac community. Most of us are fanatics that follow Apple's every move on the Web and through a multitude of Websites. We don't wait for tradeshows to get news.

I think Apple is trying to give its presence at those tradeshows (including SJ's keynotes) a higher profile (like when Bill gates presents his new OS or TabletPc or whatever),especially for the non-Mac users (switchers, anyone ?), and they probably believe that it is in NY and SF that this can be achieved.

My 2 cents.


Nico

 

[wdlove]

Originally posted by scem0
9-11 shouldn't have anything to do w/ mw boston 2004.

I agree! Charlie Greco wanted to move MW to his backyard. To him it was getting the best deal, just business!