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Sure, but as the Air suggested, there are certain functional design changes that needs to be incorporated into the MBPs. What I'd like to see:

1. Multi-touch trackpad
2. MB-style keyboard
3. Magnetic latch
4. User-removable drive
5. SDD + HDD option: Boot volume is on a 16GB SDD for speed and battery conservation)
6. Dual battery option: With Apple pushing the wireless thing a la the MBA, they should offer a removable bay where you can swap out the optical drive for a 2nd battery.

1) 100% guaranteed.
2) personal preference
3) Why not? I think it will happen.
4-6) I hadn't thought about a dual battery option, but I do think the optical bay should be optional. BTO options would include optical drive, second hard drive, SSD, or 2nd battery.

Damn, you could have 12 hours battery, or 600 GB, or 300 GB plus SSD of your choosing. Why doesn't Apple pay us to come up with ideas for them?
 
Blu-Ray rumor : FALSE!

The Blu-Ray rumor.. so false. At $25 a blank disc this technology is not ready for prime time!

I started a thread on Microsoft being behind a Vista downgrade program that was picked up in the opening, Mac vs. PC! So True!
 
I am a bit annoyed they haven't made this dongle work with all recent Macs. Might be a handy thing to have around if a hub cant be found or a machines ethernet is playing up.

Indeed.
I would love to have one to be able to create a 2nd (> 100 Mb/s) ethernet connector on a Mac mini.
 
I really hope the new MBP doesn't have black keys on aluminum. It looks like trash.


It probably will, and like the name change to MacBook and MacBook Pro and the move to Intel, you'll get over it. I'll admit it, I love them(the keys), but I hope they don't make it black either.

The current design is now 5 years old (released 2003, the 12" and 17" PB), not 7+ as stated. Its design is still good and functional.

5 years? Hmm...I did some homework just to make sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook

Interim CEO Steve Jobs turned his eye to the redesign of the PowerBook series in 2000.
A redesign which looked like this:

800px-PowerBook_redjar.jpg


Looks pretty much like the current MBP. So it turns out we were both wrong. It wasn't 5 as you said, and it wasn't 7 as I had said...it was 8! So yes, the MBP case, while it's nifty and all, is coming up on a decade old. I'd say it's time for a refresh.
 
Looks pretty much like the current MBP. So it turns out we were both wrong. It wasn't 5 as you said, and it wasn't 7 as I had said...it was 8! So yes, the MBP case, while it's nifty and all, is coming up on a decade old. I'd say it's time for a refresh.

Wow time flies so quickly. This shows how timeless apple's designs are -- I cant imagine how they could possibly make the macbook pro look better. I also cant imagine how apple is gonna differentiate future macbooks with the macbook air without jeopardizing the air's sales

Also, what apple event would the new macbook pro be announced? WWDC?
 
Looks pretty much like the current MBP. So it turns out we were both wrong. It wasn't 5 as you said, and it wasn't 7 as I had said...it was 8! So yes, the MBP case, while it's nifty and all, is coming up on a decade old. I'd say it's time for a refresh.

If you're going to post a link, READ IT FIRST. That picture, as denoted in the caption, is the final powerbook, so it means nothing, The TiBooks were thought/introduced in 2000/2001, but the aluminum ones, which correspond to today's look of the MBPs was 2003, so it was indeed 5 years.
 
If you're going to post a link, READ IT FIRST. That picture, as denoted in the caption, is the final powerbook, so it means nothing, The TiBooks were thought/introduced in 2000/2001, but the aluminum ones, which correspond to today's look of the MBPs was 2003, so it was indeed 5 years.

You're right, I was a year off. It shows the following:

pbg4.jpg


Aside from the black keys, it's pretty much looks the same idea. So you're right, it wasn't 8, it was 7 (which is what I said in my original post but that was just a lucky guess).

You can argue with me all day (I don't know why you'd defend something like that though) but you can't deny the design is very old.
 
You can argue with me all day (I don't know why you'd defend something like that though) but you can't deny the design is very old.

I don't think most people consider the TiBooks and AlBooks to be the same design...the material itself was different, the keyboard completely different, backlit keyboard, ports are on back vs side, monitor hinge, much more uniform design on AlBook than TiBook. Whatever change comes to the MBP design will be no more than the change between TiBook and AlBook, so I don't see how you couldn't call TiBook -> AlBook a significant form factor change.

But nevertheless, we're on the same page...it's time for a design change. It's inevitable (MBA design pretty much tells it all), it's just a matter of when. Soon, please, soon! :)
 
The Macbook Air is neat but definitely not for the mainstream. I'd miss not having the optical drive built-in.

I'm glad they didn't intro a new Macbook yet with a LED screen though. I just got mine in December and would have been jealous.

Anyway, the AppleTV is more valuable with the Movie Rentals and iTunes integration.

The Time Capsule device is actually something I'd be interested in purchasing. One thing that would make the Time Capsule even better would be to be able to hook a USB printer to it and serve-up network printing via it. Alas, it doesn't seem to be capable of doing that. Maybe next time.

Edit: Never mind they do offer the wireless network printing. I didn't see the device on Apple's site last week. Coolio, I'll be buying one when they are available at the Apple store.
 
Buy a current gen MBP refurbished. If money is an issue and you need it now, it doesn't make sense to wait for Penryn.

Indeed. Keep an eye on the refurbished page. Just yesterday I saw a $1,899 deal on a 2.33GHz MBP that was roughly equivalent otherwise to the current mid-range MBP (different video card). That was a nice drop of the current $2,499 mid-range model. Unfortunately, it's already gone from the store. :(
 
I don't think most people consider the TiBooks and AlBooks to be the same design...the material itself was different, the keyboard completely different, backlit keyboard, ports are on back vs side, monitor hinge, much more uniform design on AlBook than TiBook. Whatever change comes to the MBP design will be no more than the change between TiBook and AlBook, so I don't see how you couldn't call TiBook -> AlBook a significant form factor change.

But nevertheless, we're on the same page...it's time for a design change. It's inevitable (MBA design pretty much tells it all), it's just a matter of when. Soon, please, soon! :)


I couldn't agree more. Here's to buying a new MBP soon!

Cheers!

The Macbook Air is neat but definitely not for the mainstream.

Word. It's definitely a "path" for where the rest of the lineup will follow (circular iSight, keyboard, slim case, etc.).
 
I don't think most people consider the TiBooks and AlBooks to be the same design...the material itself was different, the keyboard completely different, backlit keyboard, ports are on back vs side, monitor hinge, much more uniform design on AlBook than TiBook. Whatever change comes to the MBP design will be no more than the change between TiBook and AlBook, so I don't see how you couldn't call TiBook -> AlBook a significant form factor change.

But nevertheless, we're on the same page...it's time for a design change. It's inevitable (MBA design pretty much tells it all), it's just a matter of when. Soon, please, soon! :)

I understand what you are saying and I have owned both the Ti and AL powerbooks/mbps. But ...

They are essentially the same size, color, very similar keyboard and track pad layout, same screen sizes. They have the same look and feel, glowing Apple logo, etc..

They are definitely in need of a design change. I am thinking carbon fiber case, higher res led backlit displays, re-designed flat square keyed key board and multi-touch track-pad, easily swappable batteries, swappable HDD, removable Blu-ray multi-drive with extra battery option.

Possibly a flash memory OS drive or a separate SSD bay for more high speed performance of the OS. Possibly a slightly thinner profile with a swivel mounted display that could swivel and fold down to resemble a tablet device with the screen acting as a high-res touch screen.
 
So speaking of "what's to come," yes yes the MBP is in need of an update, that is well-known. But I am becoming increasingly concerned about the growing performance gap between the iMac and the MacPro. I hate to be "that guy," but when is Apple going to start realizing that there's a hole whole demographic of users they are missing?

While, yes, there's some debate as to whether or not multitudes of users actually want to upgrade their PCs (or even CAN), there is the perceived desire for a machine that can do this. Why do you think AIOs have entirely failed on the PC-side? Obviously there are millions of idiot-users who buy PC towers who don't need them but they think they do. Just the sheer fact that AIOs are "not PC compatible" should clue Apple in to the existence of the gigantic mid-tower market. Who cares that an xMac will eat a quarter million iMac sales and a hundred thousand Mac Pro sales? It'll open the flood gates for Apple so that their user-base will grow even more - and thereafter their stock price.

"Wah wah, but an xMac would eat into iMac sales!" Of course it would, but you all are blaming that on the xMac when the iMac would be the one to blame for the cannibalization. For far too long, Apple has been trying to fill too many roles with the iMac. If you need power, you need a Mac Pro, and there's no question about it, but the iMac's job description is not nearly as clear-cut. If you need a simple computer that's easy to set up and use, Apple gives you an iMac. If you need a computer that is lighter on power, Apple gives you an iMac. If you need a computer that has a GPU but won't break the bank, Apple gives you an iMac. If you're a prosumer, Apple gives you an iMac. This sort of identity crisis is wreaking total havok on Apple's product line-up! An "I can do anything" computer just does not exist!

Apple needs to make up their mind about the iMac. Either make it a worthy desktop PC - giving it a desktop-grade processor and a decent GPU (sacrificing *some* style for functionality, if need be [and I don't hear anyone complaining that the iMac is still too thick]) - or make it their entry-level PC, starting at $899, kill the mini and make a desktop-class xMac once and for all.

Personally, I think the latter is a better fit. While I don't know for certain, I would venture to guess that the majority of users who want an AIO have simple needs. They most likely don't need the customization ability of a tower because they perform more general tasks. And for the record, the I just asked my wife if she'd rather have an all-in-one like an iMac, or a customizable, upgradeable tower. She said, "iMac." So, no, an xMac wouldn't seriously threaten the iMac's market demographic... not any more than the Mac Mini did when Apple first released it.

If Apple thinks every desktop-user is going to be appeased by either an iMac or a MacPro - oh yeah, or the Mini - they are seriously kidding themselves, and as a prosumer, I am insulted. Certainly our numbers aren't huge, but they are definitely larger than the number of people who need eight cores of server-class processing power.

So in terms of things I'd like to see from Apple:

-- New MBPs with multi-touch trackpads.
-- Tablet/over-sized iPhone.
-- SOMETHING with a desktop-class processor, a competitive GPU, and SOME degree of upgradeability.
-- A keyboard with a multi-touch trackpad. Yes, you heard me right. I hate mice. They fricken require so much desktop space, are cumbersome, and don't even recognize gestures! The only time I like to use mice is when playing computer games, which is rarely. Please, SOMEONE! Make a gesture-sensing trackpad-featured keyboard for desktops!

-Clive
 
You're right, I was a year off. It shows the following:

pbg4.jpg


Aside from the black keys, it's pretty much looks the same idea. So you're right, it wasn't 8, it was 7 (which is what I said in my original post but that was just a lucky guess).

You can argue with me all day (I don't know why you'd defend something like that though) but you can't deny the design is very old.

From what I noticed between the Ti design and the Ai design is several major differences. One of which is the fact that the back of the laptop is where the ports were. The touchpad is also different.
 
From what I noticed between the Ti design and the Ai design is several major differences. One of which is the fact that the back of the laptop is where the ports were. The touchpad is also different.

Do you mean "Ti" and "Al" ?

To most people, though, it makes no difference - the titanium and aluminium cases look essentially the same.

The "non-amateur" Apple laptops haven't had a design change in many years, and they're looking rather stale. So 20th century. Time for a change...
 
I understand what you are saying and I have owned both the Ti and AL powerbooks/mbps. But ...

They are essentially the same size, color, very similar keyboard and track pad layout, same screen sizes. They have the same look and feel, glowing Apple logo, etc..

They are definitely in need of a design change. I am thinking carbon fiber case, higher res led backlit displays, re-designed flat square keyed key board and multi-touch track-pad, easily swappable batteries, swappable HDD, removable Blu-ray multi-drive with extra battery option.

Possibly a flash memory OS drive or a separate SSD bay for more high speed performance of the OS. Possibly a slightly thinner profile with a swivel mounted display that could swivel and fold down to resemble a tablet device with the screen acting as a high-res touch screen.

Wow! Nice wish list. I would love to see such innovation in a notebook that is even smaller than the current model. Honestly, I wouldn't care if Apple made the books slightly larger, or tapered like the MBAs if they could get more hardware into them.

Unfortunately I see Apple putting the flat MB keyboard in the design, but I hope they can at least give me dual HDD options for the 17" and a 512 MB GFX card on the high end and Multi touch trackpad as well. Everything else is extra.
 
I think the only way Apple would put out a mini-tower for the masses is when they actually get serious about gaming on the Mac. And for gaming on the Mac you need people writing games FOR the Mac, not converting PC games to work on the Mac. This is probably one of the main reasons Microsoft dumped OpenGL in favor of their proprietary DirectX code. If game developers are railroaded into using DirectX, why are they going to both developing a secondary version of their games codebase using OpenGL?!?

And from a monetary standpoint, it makes more sense to sell consumers/prosumers all-in-one machines, since these machines become outdated faster than a mini-tower that one could change components in.

(Ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people who purchase a mini-tower specifically with upgrading in mind never actually do so…)

As for me, I want to see Apple come out with a true Apple slate tablet, one with both multi-touch & stylus capabilities. Dedicated graphics would be nice also. I would expect an Apple slate tablet to be much like the Axoitron ModBook, just in a nicer package. This would be great for the majority of users in the business/educational/medical fields.

A smaller Apple tablet, like the iPod touch, but 1.5x larger, would make a great internet communications device. But I would need this device to be a full Mac OS X device, just limited by the CPU & graphics as to abilities. I would expect the standard applications included with Mac OS X to run nicely from this device, but I would not expect to do any serious pixel pushing (PhotoShop, video editing, compositing, 3d) with it.

For me, I could get by with the above smaller tablet, an AppleTV, a Time Capsule, a sweet HDTV flat-panel 7 a set of 5.1 surround sound speakers. Then I can sit on the couch and watch a rented movie or a Season Pass tv show while surfing the web & checking my email. If I need to Remote Desktop to a client machine, I would just pick up my larger Apple slate tablet (15.4" maybe…?) and work from there.

I would also like to see Apple put out an iPhone nano, which would be just cell service, MP3 player, camera phone & a wireless 3G tether to my tablets if needed. Why an iPhone nano some may ask? Well, if I have a small tablet the size of a DVD jewel case, with its attending OS X apps, I would not really need those same abilities in my cell phone.

Time will tell…
 
So in terms of things I'd like to see from Apple:

-- New MBPs with multi-touch trackpads.
-- Tablet/over-sized iPhone.
-- SOMETHING with a desktop-class processor, a competitive GPU, and SOME degree of upgradeability.
-- A keyboard with a multi-touch trackpad. Yes, you heard me right. I hate mice. They fricken require so much desktop space, are cumbersome, and don't even recognize gestures! The only time I like to use mice is when playing computer games, which is rarely. Please, SOMEONE! Make a gesture-sensing trackpad-featured keyboard for desktops!

-Clive

Agree with everything but the part about the mice - I like them, although I could see a MT trackpad as a standalone device. There have been several desktop trackpads over the years, and some of them were very good. MT would be even better, but I suppose they'd have to come from Apple to incorporate the gesture-recognition feature.

A mid-range Mac tower with a couple of drive bays and a replaceable optical drive and video card would probably cannibalize more iMac than Mac Pro sales. But it would also attract many switchers who aren't comfortable with the dead-end AIO iMac or the higher priced/bulkier Mac Pro.

I have a Core Duo iMac that's getting a bit long-in-the-tooth, but neither the current iMac nor the updated Mac Pros fit the bill as a replacement.
 
As for me, I want to see Apple come out with a true Apple slate tablet, one with both multi-touch & stylus capabilities. Dedicated graphics would be nice also.

I've always been disappointed that Apple chose to go with integrated graphics in the MacBook. Even the iBooks had dedicated graphics cards (although admittedly, this was before integrated graphics became popular). I've always known macs to be excellent graphical performers. There's no dedicated graphics chip in the iPod Touch, iPhone, or (more significantly) the MacBook... if there isn't a dedicated graphics card in Apple's entry-level laptop, I doubt there will be one in its tablets.
 
MINI TABLET will be iPhone Pro

Just my 2 cents...

The mini-tablet will be the 3G, 16GB iPhone Pro. Will sell for an extra $199, after the current Edge only iphone will receive a further price drop. Will be announced at the Feb iphone SDk release event.

iPhone: Edge, 8GB & 16GB: $299 & $399.
iPhone Pro: 3G/edge, 16Gb, bigger screen, macbook modem: $499.
 
xMac / upgradeable mini / gaming etc...

To those clamoring for a mini-MacPro, I agree I would LOVE one.

Even if it was just a BTO option in the current huge MacPro case, but with downgraded components instead of upgraded.

i.e: one dual/quad core proc, one optical drive, small hard drive, 2 GB, basic graphics card (not integrated though) maybe for $1600. Otherwise, bring back the cube!!!

But looking ay Apples blistering pace of macbook sales, it seems that hardly anyone cares that they aren't upgradeable or aren't built for gaming (my core 2 macbook has weaker graphics than my G4 mini for instance).

Maybe more likely is that in one of the new buildings going up at 1 inifinite loops apple campus will house a new games division pumping out mac only game titles, that are tailored to take advantage of dual/quad core procs with integrated graphics.
 
I think the only way Apple would put out a mini-tower for the masses is when they actually get serious about gaming on the Mac. And for gaming on the Mac you need people writing games FOR the Mac, not converting PC games to work on the Mac. This is probably one of the main reasons Microsoft dumped OpenGL in favor of their proprietary DirectX code. If game developers are railroaded into using DirectX, why are they going to both developing a secondary version of their games codebase using OpenGL?!?

This is why the loss of Bungie was so tragic for Mac-users. There's no way Apple is going to entice large-scale developers to write Mac-only titles. Their only hope is to convince them to write OpenGL since it's cross-platform. As the Mac becomes more popular, however, developers may find that they'll save development time by using OpenGL instead of DirectX. Blizzard, though they lead the field in writing cross-platform games, still prefers DirectX.

And from a monetary standpoint, it makes more sense to sell consumers/prosumers all-in-one machines, since these machines become outdated faster than a mini-tower that one could change components in.

Maybe it's too much to ask for Apple to be the "bigger person" and not rely on planned obsolescence to make money? They're not in financial trouble by any means... you'd think they could cut back on their gigantic profits and let the quality of the product to carry itself... but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

(Ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people who purchase a mini-tower specifically with upgrading in mind never actually do so…)

Like I suggested earlier, I don't think actual intent matters... it's the ability to do so. If people have made the admission that they will never upgrade their computers, why do AIOs fail on the PC side? People like choice, whether or not they actually exercise that choice.

-Clive
 
My MacBook Pro Wishlist

As I type this from a 7 year old 733megahertz Intel Pentium III with 256mb ram, no graphics card, a CRT and floppy drive I cry: "Listen Apple!". All I want is:

- A 17" LED Backlit Display
- A backlit keyboard (i don't care what type, just keep it backlit!)
- A Blu-ray drive (maybe the new laptop ready one from Panasonic?)
- A graphics card with up to code drivers (you know what I mean)

Is that too much to ask for? One more thing...I want it within the month - just 'cause.
 
ultra portable

I was planning to buy a new laptop but if this ultra portable news is true than I think I will wait for some time and see how worth it is.

Sachin
 
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