Macworld to Stay in New York?

[mstecker]

Trust me, Steve Jobs not attending the "MW creative pro" show in NY had everything to do with thumbing his nose at their attempt to move the show to Boston.

Think about it - had all of this not happened, don't you think that the G5 would have been announced at MWNY rather than the WWDC, held only a few weeks earlier?

If the show officially decides to stay in NYC, I'll bet my life that we see full Apple participation and a SJ keynote again.

And who says that they haven't introduced interesting stuff at MWNY?

 

[eclipse525]

Good point "VITA" but I have one more comment. I personally thought the whole "CreativePro" sponsership was STUPID. Now, being a Graphic Designer myself, it may sound strange me saying that BUT I really feel that Apple need to reach a broader range of the market, with ofcourse not neglecting the Creative/Publishing community. They need to intrench themselves in the business/corporate/scientific communities more and more. It's the only way to break that MS headlock they have on the industry. I know the issue is alot more complex than that but I think having a more general sponsership MacWorld will send a different message. I believe the Server arena might be there next big thing.

How's this...."Sybase MacWorld Expo" or "Oracle MacWorld Expo"...Hmmm.....



~e

 

[stompy]

Originally posted by Neotronik

Dude whether or not macworld stays in NYC or goes; doesn't matter to me anymore. After Steve not attending; it changed my mind about alot of things.
NYC needs macworld with or without steve because of it's economical status since 9-11.
Steve not attending angered alot of people and we simply responded by not attending.

Steve's not attending was most likely due to his feud with IDG. If you haven't followed the whole story, here's a summary:

--IDG announced that summer MacWorld will move back to Boston in 2004.

--Apple responded that if MW moves to Boston, Apple will not even have a booth.

--IDG issued a major press release, saying "Oh yeah?"

--Apple fired back, saying that their presence at 2003 MWNY will be de-emphasized.

--IDG responds with, "Well, we don't want you anyway. And Steve, I absolutely HATE your socks."

And so on, and so on. The result was this years "Name of the week" Expo. Apple wants to decide the location of the east coast expo, and Apple wants the show in NY. Apple seemed to let the events play out as they did to 'put IDG in its place.' Whether you agree with that tactic or not, it seems clear that Apple wanted more power to make expo decisions.

Don't take offense. If you want to continue having MacWorld in NY, I'd say Apple agrees with you. Apple felt a mediocre 2003 show was the price they'd have to pay.

 

[vitaboy]

Originally posted by eclipse525

How's this...."Sybase MacWorld Expo" or "Oracle MacWorld Expo"...Hmmm.....
~e

I definitely agree that Apple needs to start targeting other markets where the Mac has definite advantages, such as the scientific and engineering markets. But probably the best way for Apple to do this is by attending existing trade shows that are already out there for those industries. There is already an OracleWorld so the easiest thing for Apple to do is have an effective presence there rather than setting up their own, which would ostensibly attract only Oracle users who use Macs (a pretty small market at the moment).

In fact, Apple's been doing just that this year. They announced Final Cut Pro 4 at the national broadcasters conference and have had strong presences at education conferences. Seybold is coming up in September. I think by slowly increasing their presences at these highly vertical conferences, Apple gets most of the benefits of a specialized MacWorld without the cost.

 

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by mstecker
It all comes down to:

1) Macworld is nothing without Apple going in 100%

2) Apple wants it in NY

3) Apple was willing to walk if it wasn't in NY.

It will be in NY, and not this crappy "creative pro" nonsense either. I can't wait for another <real> MWNY.

Yeah really, I want a MacWorld New York like 2 years ago, even 1 years ago i would go for, but this sad, sad state of 'Creative Pro' was almost to much to bare.

I was one of the only MacRumors people to go, I think I was 1 of the 2 people who went...



Look, Apple Told the Major Companies to *not* go to their unless they really wanted to, when the economy is better (pray) next year Companies will afford to show off their products again, like before.


We all know creative pro was lame, but if Apple Goes Back to their Norm Next year they can erase a bad show from my memories.

 

[Neotronik]

well eclipse;
it's a done deal with me; Macworld NYC used to be huge; I can't tell you all of the friends that I've bumped into at Macworld and 2001 was my first. I bought my Ti-book right after the show; I was siked man. Attending the keynote was amazing. Seeing and hearing what was ahead really tuned me in to apple. I literally abandoned the wintel pc's. Audio became a very big problem in osx. The year after he killed os9 at macworld. I didn't enjoy that at all. I never invested in a powermac because of the bigger brother saying you have to buy a whole new mac to get the latest processor etc....
There was a problem with adobe at last years macworlds too I believe as well as macromedia. Hmmm; then steve doesn't attend this years macworld; that's alot of dissapointment.
He should have showed up and showed IDG that New York is the place to be. And show support to the East coast mac loyalists; new owners and future owners of mac products. This economy bites but hey; I was ready to buy a dual 2ghz g5. I don't want to support a company who's ceo all of a sudden decided not to attend one of the biggest conventions on the east coast for whatever his reasons were. Things like that will be the likely reason that apple will never equal or surpass the market share it's competitors now hold. Macworld is his stage to convince those would be switchers or new people to the market that Apple is different. I felt proud to be among apple bretheren; proud to be a part of something special; thinking; hey this company is different; the ceo is here and people started lining up yesterday to get to this keynote presentation. It was like steve telling the world this is what we have to say about apple and your platform and why ours is better and these are the people that are going to help us say it. With Steve not attending he showed how alike he was with the ms wintel pc bretheren.
I just wanted to share the impact that it had on me. I am seriously awaiting Amd's announcement and release date before I make the final decision on platform.
Sorry Steve; I'm thinking different now; but it's thinking differently about apple.

 

[Flowbee]

Originally posted by Neotronik

I just wanted to share the impact that it had on me. I am seriously awaiting Amd's announcement and release date before I make the final decision on platform.
Sorry Steve; I'm thinking different now; but it's thinking differently about apple.

Does AMD's CEO do a cool 'standing room only' keynote presentation on each coast every year? I agree that Steve's keynotes can be very exciting, but it doesn't seem like a very solid reason to choose one computing platform over another.

 

[Neotronik]

No; Amd doesnt' do the trade show thing and that's exactly why I state that steve showed how much he wasn't different than his wintel pc counterparts. (amd doesn't manufacture computers or software anyway)
It was that attitude and boldness on his part that drew me to macworld and I was inspired enough to try out a very expensive Ti-book.
My point is that if he choses to act like his pc bretheren than I'll go with the favorite in that category whom i happen to like; the inexpensive yet powerful alternative to an apple computer who seems to get praise from apple users as well;
AMD and MS and hi quality shelf pc parts that i can pick and chose and still come out cheaper.
I thought I wrote the post clearly when I stated how his not attending affected me and it showed his behavior to be like all the other cold corporations.

 

[reggiejax]

Looks like new leadership at IDG is having some real results. This Greco character just seems bitter that his ploy to end MWNY may not happen.

For Mac users up and down the East coast, let's hope that Apple and IDG patch things up. I think this is the first step.

 

[phillymjs]

Originally posted by Neotronik
Hmmm; then steve doesn't attend this years macworld; that's alot of dissapointment.
He should have showed up and showed IDG that New York is the place to be.

Actually, by NOT showing up he showed them that New York is the place to be. Apple have already said they will not be participating in MacWorld Boston. The New York pullout this year was to show IDG the kind of drawing power their show will have without Apple there. Since IDG is now reconsidering the Boston move, it looks like they got the message.

I've gone to every Expo in NYC since 1999 specifically to see the Stevenote, and this year I sat it out specifically because there was to be no Stevenote. Judging by the attendance numbers when compared with last year, I'd say a lot of other people were of like mind.

I've been to a Boston MacWorld (in '95), and it was not that much fun. I had to spend 8 hours to drive there from Philadelphia, I had to sit in Central Artery traffic for three hours in 95 degree heat, and I had to wait in large crowds for shuttle buses between the two expo halls. Oh, and I had to cough up for someplace to stay overnight. I know the Big Dig will be winding up and they've got a new convention center, and that will take care of two of my gripes, but going to Boston is still a disruption of my life, whereas New York is a long but pleasant day trip.

For New York, I get up at about 3AM, drive on empty roads to Princeton, and catch the first NJT train of the day into Penn Station. From there it's a nice walk to the Javits Center to get in the Stevenote line with the rest of The Faithful shortly before 6AM. See the Stevenote, wander around the show floor and meet friends from previous jobs for lunch, then at about 3:30PM I walk back to the train station and head home.

New York makes more sense than Boston for just that reason-- it's a lot easier to justify "day trip" to your bosses than "lodging required"-- though since 2001 I've made my annual jaunt to NYC part of a mini-vacation, and I pay for it all myself. Also, for the New York-based companies, a bigwig at MacWorld is only a subway or cab away from the office if anything Really Bad happens.

~MJS

 

[Neotronik]

Philly MJS:
That was a great post. I do hope that was the reason Steve didn't attend Macworld NYC. It would have been nice to go out with a bang though
Still in the thinking man's position as far as Macworld Nyc and my G5 that's on order.

 

[Ambrose Chapel]

then there's this:

''The early signals we're getting are not good as far as the show coming to Boston, and as far as the future of the East Coast show in general,'' said Jim Rooney, executive director of the Massachusetts Convention Center Authority. ''We'll regroup, though. It's one show, and there's a big marketplace out there.''

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