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I disagree the new laptop is too light. It does not take much at all to disconnect the MagSafe. Even at two pounds you have to realize it is flat on a surface. The laptop isn't standing up vertically, so the weight is distributed.
I can drag my 3.5 lb. 13" rMBP across my glass desk by the MagSafe adapter's cord, even with the rubber feet on the glass providing resistance. The MagSafe magnet is pretty strong. It would be much easier to do with the 2 lb. MacBook.
 
Intel processors specifically underclock and don't reach their full potential when not plugged in. With a CPU as crap as the Core M, this is so important.

Not only that, why would I specifically want to burn through battery cycles when it's not necessary?

I very much doubt the cpu/gpu will throttle due to power it'll be thermal throttling. I'll be sure to test it tho lol
 
Intel processors specifically underclock and don't reach their full potential when not plugged in. With a CPU as crap as the Core M, this is so important.

The entire point of "Turbo Boost" is to negate that. The processors are "allowed" to underclock on battery power, but are still willing to turbo up to their top speed, as long as there is thermal headroom to do so. It has nothing to do with power usage, solely heat.

Core M is the same architecture as the latest Core i7, just designed for lower power usage/heat generation. With Turbo Boost, it is capable of "short term" performance nearly equal to that of the higher-power-usage models. No, it won't be as good for gaming, or constant video editing, but for nearly everything else that an "every day user" would use it for, it'll be fine.
 
Magsafe has always been a marketing gimmick. And people keeping drinking the cool aid Apple give about how wonderful it is.

At the end of the day, one universal connector for both power and everything else makes more sense.

There is so much wrong with these 2 sentences.
 
I actually think he was referring to the dgpu machines that drain the battery whilst on charge when demand exceeds the ac adapter
That may be what he's thinking of, but that would be the opposite of what was stated. Rather than underclock on battery power, on notebooks with removable batteries, they would underclock if the battery was removed, as there are occasions when power demands exceed that which is available from AC power alone, and power is drawn both from AC power and the battery.
 
Removal of the MagSafe "definitely" is a step back. Apple should've kept the magsafe (or made it thinner) and had the USB-C port for the rest (everything besides power) I agree that data in and out from the magsafe would be risky but I can't tell you how many times my laptop's life has been saved by the MagSafe for the past 5 years.

Since the Macbook that was announced yesterday is underpowered for my needs, I won't be getting one but let's hope that this charging via USB-C malarky doesn't move on to Macbook Pros eventually.

I mean, why even USB-C Apple? Why not lightning? Or USB-C after 30-pin with the iPhone 5? Why give us even more adapters?
 
I can drag my 3.5 lb. 13" rMBP across my glass desk by the MagSafe adapter's cord, even with the rubber feet on the glass providing resistance. The MagSafe magnet is pretty strong. It would be much easier to do with the 2 lb. MacBook.

Interesting that you have this experience with your MagSafe. Currently, I use a 11" MBA and my wife uses a 13" MBA. Our cords get knocked out by our toddlers and dog all the time. The laptop literally does not move.

Perhaps it's different base on laptop?
 
I find it hard to believe with how much Apple played a part in USB C's specification that they couldn't come up with an omnidirectional magnetic power AND data connector. Think of it as MagSafe on steroids.
 
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Interesting that you have this experience with your MagSafe. Currently, I use a 11" MBA and my wife uses a 13" MBA. Our cords get knocked out by our toddlers and dog all the time. The laptop literally does not move.

Perhaps it's different base on laptop?
It doesn't appear to be much different. Both models have the 4 rubber feet on the bottom.

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The new MacBook doesn't appear to have these, although the units that actually ship may include them. If they don't, it would make the new MacBook even easier to pull off a desk by the cord.
 
It doesn't appear to be much different. Both models have the 4 rubber feet on the bottom.

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The new MacBook doesn't appear to have these, although the units that actually ship may include them. If they don't, it would make the new MacBook even easier to pull off a desk by the cord.

I don't mean difference in terms of design. I mean different MagSafe connection. I have never used a MBP so I can't compare the MagSafe connection. I just know my cord gets knocked off all the time and my laptop does not move whatsoever. And, I know for certain I can't drag my laptop across any surface with the power cord! That's just not happening. My dog's tail can knock off my cord!
 
I don't mean difference in terms of design. I mean different MagSafe connection. I have never used a MBP so I can't compare the MagSafe connection. I just know my cord gets knocked off all the time and my laptop does not move whatsoever.
Of course, it would depend on the position of the cord. If the cord is pulled at an angle, it's easier to disconnect, but if it's pulled directly out, it takes more effort to disconnect.
 
I can drag my 3.5 lb. 13" rMBP across my glass desk by the MagSafe adapter's cord, even with the rubber feet on the glass providing resistance. The MagSafe magnet is pretty strong. It would be much easier to do with the 2 lb. MacBook.

Sure, I was able to drag my MBA across the table if I tugged at the MagSafe cable. TThe magsafe won't come out when I gently pull on it. However, if I yank at it, make a suggest jerk on the cable, like if someone tripped over the cable, then it comes out easily and the laptop doesn't move more than a few millimeters. It's a balance - it should come out when accidents happen, but stay in place during regular movement.
 
Magsafes are fantastic.

If you have ever put 30 laptops into a cart and have them plugged in you would apriciate magsafe vs Lenovo or Dell cables.

(the fact that the Bredfort cart had provisions for the power adapters out front for each was an icing)
 
I agree with you, however with the 11" MBA I notice that sometimes the computer is too light for the magsafe to pull off instead of moving the computer. So it wouldn't surprise me if they couldn't get the magsafe connector to work with this light of a computer without it being too easy to accidentally pull off, so for this particular model not having it may not be a huge deal.

That's a very good point.

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So far so good - hope I haven't jinxed myself.

Me too! Glad it's been of benefit to you and your daughter.

Most people that talk about Apple marketing gimmicks don't use Apple products.

Very astute observation. And yet they go out of their way to troll Apple forums, looking for opportunities to spread a little bile. I don't understand the mentality, frankly. It's not like their team winning the pennant or something.

Thanks.
 
I can't help but think that the MB has been designed with wireless charging in mind. Skylake is supposed to push that platform, so I would not be surprised if the 2016 MB will not even need any wires at all.

When that day comes I'm definitely interested.
 
I can't help but think that the MB has been designed with wireless charging in mind. Skylake is supposed to push that platform, so I would not be surprised if the 2016 MB will not even need any wires at all.

When that day comes I'm definitely interested.
I've been looking forward to that day for decades! I've always hated wires and look forward to wireless power and also to the day when "all day power" means 24 hours, not 9 or 10 or even 18. For that reason, I'm not upset that there's only two ports on the new MacBook, and would love to see the day when there are none.
 
I've been looking forward to that day for decades! I've always hated wires and look forward to wireless power and also to the day when "all day power" means 24 hours, not 9 or 10 or even 18. For that reason, I'm not upset that there's only two ports on the new MacBook, and would love to see the day when there are none.

110% agree!
 
The "lack of weight" is probably removes some of the benefits of MagSafe since a cord tug would likely result in a flying computer. BUT... the problem here is that it sets the stage for Apple to remove MagSafe in the next gen Air/Pro where MagSafe is a life saver. And if the next MBP/MBA lacks MagSafe then thats going to be a sad day.
 
The "lack of weight" is probably removes some of the benefits of MagSafe since a cord tug would likely result in a flying computer. BUT... the problem here is that it sets the stage for Apple to remove MagSafe in the next gen Air/Pro where MagSafe is a life saver. And if the next MBP/MBA lacks MagSafe then thats going to be a sad day.

I understand your thinking but there is room for the ports on the air and the pro. You couldn't fit the MagSafe port on the nmb.
 
I've been looking forward to that day for decades! I've always hated wires and look forward to wireless power and also to the day when "all day power" means 24 hours, not 9 or 10 or even 18. For that reason, I'm not upset that there's only two ports on the new MacBook, and would love to see the day when there are none.

I'm not sure if my "Sarcasm Detector" is off or if you actually believe this, but that doesn't even make sense. How does having a port option = having a wire? Wouldn't simply leaving unused plugs empty equal "Wireless"? Isn't a 2011 MacBook Pro with everything unplugged is equally "wireless" as a 2015 MacBook with nothing plugged in?

Also, according to the Apple site then the new MacBook has 9hrs of power which is equal or less than the current other MacBook options.
 
I'm not sure if my "Sarcasm Detector" is off or if you actually believe this, but that doesn't even make sense. How does having a port option = having a wire? Wouldn't simply leaving unused plugs empty equal "Wireless"? Isn't a 2011 MacBook Pro with everything unplugged is equally "wireless" as a 2015 MacBook with nothing plugged in?
It's not sarcasm and it does make sense. I'm referring to eliminating the need for wires altogether, which isn't just about not having ports or things plugged in, but having other devices and power and connection technology advanced to the point that running without any wires is feasible.
Also, according to the Apple site then the new MacBook has 9hrs of power which is equal or less than the current other MacBook options.
That's my point. I look forward to the day when "all day" means "all day", not 8 or 9 or 10 hours.
 
I don't get why people beg and beg for wireless charging for their devices. My understanding of wireless charging is simply inductive charging like my toothbrush. I don't use my toothbrush when it's charging so I'm happy to plop it on the charger overnight. With phones/tablets/laptops, I do use the device while it's charging. I can plug it in and use it corded. If it were wireless, I would have to hold my device and the charger, which is still corded and plugged into an outlet. If I'm simply using leaving the device on the table to charge, the cord of the charger is still able to be pulled/tripped on.

So what is the convenience? It's a slower charging method that still requires a cord, just not directly into the device.
 
The best Magsafe is the first Magsafe. The Magsafe 2 sucks; it's too thin and not deep enough and falls out too easily. This new USB C would be nice; it wouldn't fall out all the time; but it would break easily. Expect a lot of people going in Apple Store Genius Bars and AASPs with broken ports :D
 
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