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App developers aren’t forced to market their products through Apple. They just don't like the size Apple‘s cut for marketing their products and want to be able to pocket a bigger share of the take. The irony of greedy app developers calling Apple greedy. I wonder when they can be expected to complain about governments getting their sales or value added taxes. Are‘t the governments being greedy too and, disproportionately more greedy?
 
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Is it just me ? I honestly don't see the need for any app to read news.

Is there something wrong with their website ? What can their app do that a website cannot ?
You're completely missing the point of News. All different sources in one easy to navigate app.
 
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Shut Up. Pay Up. And enjoy your easy life.

You get to sit in your undies and code some app that you toss into a store and rake in the money and you gripe at the company that has to innovate, market, sell, and service the device that you want free access to.

I don’t disparage anyone who is able to or does this but complaining that the company making it possible should do it for free is ludicrous. Apple will ultimately lose this battle, but I wish them well in the fight.
 
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Exhibit A: An android device. Look at the crapware on it. Look how much privacy you need to give up to use them. Apple has a ton of useless apps on iOS, but on android the crap rises to the top. If Apple does not control the ecosystem of app development things get bad, real bad. I have no further questions. Case closed.
This is really just about the App Store 15% (or whatever it is now) fee. The rest is a distraction.
 
It's really painful to watch how all the moronic fanboys defending Apple in this forum fail to see how they are arguing against their own interest and how this conglomerate is absolutely right.
 
I’m concerned about what’s happening to quality news sources, and Apps are probably part of the solution, but the platform provider should be compensated for being part of the solution.

There’s a reasonable parallel here to how the iTunes Music Store gave the music industry a platform to save their dying industry.
 
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It's really painful to watch how all the moronic fanboys defending Apple in this forum fail to see how they are arguing against their own interest and how this conglomerate is absolutely right.
"Things should be free" is not in anyone's interest. It's not sustainable.

Even the Soviets never got as far as a true "from each according to their abilities to each according to their needs" society and I'm not so sure things would have gotten better for them if they tried.
 
If Google can bring Stadia to iOS devices through a web app, surely publishers can do the same with their content and payment methods.
 
Is it just me ? I honestly don't see the need for any app to read news.

Is there something wrong with their website ? What can their app do that a website cannot ?
An app can track you in many ways Safari might consider unnatural.
 
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I think a milestone, like maybe .1% of all developers, is going to be required. They should reach that in about 30 years when Apple’s App Store isn’t even a thing anymore.
 
Analogy: I am going to take my wares to my local Target. I demand: shelf space, security, monitoring, customer service, returns and check-out services all be provided free of charge by Target, and I refuse to give anything to Target.
False analogy. It’s more like you want to sell cell phones with plans at Target. They offer shelf space, security, monitoring, customer service, returns, and check-out for free, but they want to be paid 30% of the customer’s monthly cell service payment. However, thats only if they activate the phone in the store. If they just take it home and activate it there, you don’t have to pay Target anything.

So now what do you do?
 


A group of major U.S. news publishers have joined the Coalition for App Fairness, a collaborative organization set up to highlight issues with Apple, mainly from developers (via TechCrunch).
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The Coalition for App Fairness was founded by a large group of companies, such as Epic Games, Spotify, Tile, Basecamp, Blix, Blockchain, Deezer, Match, Prepear, ProtonMail, and SkyDemon, many of whom have had major disagreements with Apple over various issues.
Article Link: Major U.S. Publishers Join Coalition for App Fairness
I just wonder what proportion of those in this “coalition” represent significant Chinese interests, investment, or both. When the “Epic” thing first blew up, all of the companies that added themselves to the complaint had significant Chinese ownership.

It’s not difficult to see that China would not want to have its surveillance efforts made more difficult by all Apple’s push for privacy.
 
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The group for big babies.
Sadly it’s almost certainly more sinister than that. Privacy is a big thing, as is becoming increasingly evident by the size of the fuss that is happening now that Apple is highlighting the issue.

There is clearly something fishy going on when the likes of FaceBook try to tell me that they are working in my best interests. And they are supported by the Murdoch media, as well as Chinese owned companies ... ?
 
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It's really painful to watch how all the moronic fanboys defending Apple in this forum fail to see how they are arguing against their own interest and how this conglomerate is absolutely right.
You’re funny! FaceBook has my best interests at heart. Murdoch wants a direct caring relationship with me and my data. And the Chinese companies such as Epic want to save me from being lonely because I have too much privacy.

So tell us again how giving up our privacy is in our own interests, please. This should be interesting.
 
You’re funny! FaceBook has my best interests at heart. Murdoch wants a direct caring relationship with me and my data. And the Chinese companies such as Epic want to save me from being lonely because I have too much privacy.

So tell us again how giving up our privacy is in our own interests, please. This should be interesting.
You're on the wrong thread dude. This is not about privacy, this is about app store fees. Which are too high and stifling competition, and Apple has become too large a platform to just decide upon those fees on their own with no limitations.

How you and others here so fiercely defend the ludicrous fees Apple charges companies to use its platform baffles me. You do realize that we're all better off if there is an incentive for Apple to charge lower fees, do you?

And stop pretending all those companies can be so grateful that Apple built such a great platform for them. It's also just as much the other way around. Without all these companies, Apple's platform would be worth nothing.

The problem is that one large player has just over-proportionally much negotiation power over many small players (which is why there is such a thing as unions). So it absolutely makes sense that the small players form an alliance.

Just stop always defending Apple at all cost without thinking three feet ahead. Ridiculous :rolleyes:
 
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You are going to replace BBC, NPR etc.? Ambitious! Also, I am afraid if all app publishers (Facebook, Instagram, game developers etc.) leave iOS you might remain the only iOS customer.
They are on IOS because they get something for their time and effort in creating an app. These publishers want to be on IOS on their terms and not Apples' terms. Want to use Apples' hard work for their gain. If they leave, it will be a monetary loss for them.
 
You're on the wrong thread dude. This is not about privacy, this is about app store fees. Which are too high and stifling competition, and Apple has become too large a platform to just decide upon those fees on their own with no limitations.

How you and others here so fiercely defend the ludicrous fees Apple charges companies to use its platform baffles me. You do realize that we're all better off if there is an incentive for Apple to charge lower fees, do you?

And stop pretending all those companies can be so grateful that Apple built such a great platform for them. It's also just as much the other way around. Without all these companies, Apple's platform would be worth nothing.

The problem is that one large player has just over-proportionally much negotiation power over many small players (which is why there is such a thing as unions). So it absolutely makes sense that the small players form an alliance.

Just stop always defending Apple at all cost without thinking three feet ahead. Ridiculous :rolleyes:
Really. Let the market speak for itself. Apple already lowered it's fees with it's new program. If Apple eliminated fees people would still be criticizing Apple over not allowing third party app stores. Apples' fees are in line historically with other retailers/etailers.

Epic should be grateful they made hundreds of millions of dollars on the ios platform. And true it goes both ways, but it seems publishers want to use Apples' work as they see fit.

So I see people defending Apple at all costs as well criticizing Apple at all costs. Runs both ways.
 
I am totally with Apple with this, and they can thank themselves. For some of their subscriptions I had to almost beg to a support agent via chat to terminate.
 
Apple has become too large a platform to just decide upon those fees on their own with no limitations.
How large is “too large”? Like, if they don’t offer their iPhone 13 in the US and only offer it in other countries, would that make them “small” enough? What if they avoided selling iPhones in the US for 4 years? That should CERTAINLY shrink the US marketshare such that they’re no longer “too large”.
 
Now watch how the regulators put the squeeze on Apple and Apple starts whining in turn. The customers will win though.
I don't think consumers will win. First, Apple doesn't own the smartphone market so there is no monopoly issue that I can see. Second, I think opt-in is the way all privacy issues should be handled. I am not a product. advertising Worked before targeting, it will work afterward.
 
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