Making Lion Act More Like Snow Leopard

[cargath]

I wish Lion still had "Save As" in Textedit and Preview.
Why would they take that out?

Yeah, that's odd. I guess they think we don't need it anymore, because there's versions.

But what's even more annoying: When i opened TextEdit to see if you're right, i realized, that it still restored opened windows, although i deactivated this feature in System Preferences... it even reopened windows, when i reactivated Resume and explicitly choose "Quit and discard windows".

I think all this versioning and resuming is a great idea, but it seems it's still very buggy. I can't predict what my Apps will be doing anymore, no matter if i activate or deactivate Resume. Like this, it's just useless and annoying.

 

[talmy]

I wish Lion still had "Save As" in Textedit and Preview.
Why would they take that out?

Quick question -- when you do a "Save As" what file are you left editing?

"Save As" has been replaced with "Duplicate" which opens a new window with the duplicate. So you can edit either one. You can also close either window when you are finished. If you close the Duplicate window it will ask for a file name. That's how you get the "Save As".

 

[Cole Slaw]

Quick question -- when you do a "Save As" what file are you left editing?

"Save As" has been replaced with "Duplicate" which opens a new window with the duplicate. So you can edit either one. You can also close either window when you are finished. If you close the Duplicate window it will ask for a file name. That's how you get the "Save As".

Ok I see what you're saying there, Talmy.
Using "Duplicate" seems to get Textedit to do what I need it to do.
Thanks.

 

[ChrisH3677]

+1 to that!

Now back to the original question... Poster tackyglue stated that he'd changed Lion to use the old style Spaces and for the Finder to use colored icons in the Sidebar. Presuming that's accurate, would someone please be kind enough to tell us how to do this?

It was only his second post and he hasn't been seen since. I suspect he was just a lying troll.

 

[maprx]

No sound , No Itunes, No lion

I upgraded 2 lion twice, but thanks to my time machine. I went back to the snow cat. Lion does not come with any audio on my imac. It does on my macbook, but no sound on the imac. Reseting smc, pram, nothing, even apple support acted like this never happens. I wasted $30 and have snow leopard to show for it. It reminds me of windows me, and vista. Apple really dropped the ball on this beta version (ie gold master, final,)

 

[frankk]

Liking many of the changes with Lion, although some of the changes will take a little time to get used to.

Major annoyances so far:

- Selecting the bottom item from a list when the slider appears is annoying, there is little 'grab' space.

- Full screen Safari is good, but I always want to see the bookmarks bar for fast navigation without having to make it appear by hovering the mouse at the top of the screen. Isn't that the whole point of a bookmarks bar?

- The magic mouse and touchpad seem to have subtle and annoying differences in the gestures they use (although maybe I haven't set them up correctly). Two finger horizontal swipe on the MM goes to a new space, I really like this feature and I'm using spaces more than I ever have in the past due to the ease of navigating. However, how do I do this on the TP? 2/3/4 finger horizontal swipe doesn't shift to a new space, is it even possible on a TP without going to mission control? (edit: okay, solved this in system prefs, somehow it had locked and didn't allow this in TP but reset when I changed settings)

 

[cargath]

- Full screen Safari is good, but I always want to see the bookmarks bar for fast navigation without having to make it appear by hovering the mouse at the top of the screen. Isn't that the whole point of a bookmarks bar?

When you go into fullscreen mode the "Show bookmarks bar" menu item will change to "Always show bookmarks bar". You have to select it, even if you made the bookmarks bar visible outside of fullscreen mode already.

 

[autrefois]

Yes, but Macs have been able to do accents on US keyboards using very easy key combinations.

For example, to do é you just hit option+e and then E again. To do à, hit option+` and then A. I find this option to be a lot quicker than holding down and waiting for a menu.

But of course, I can understand how I'm a minority seeing as I speak and write in both English and French. And that I can imagine an American just wanting to add an accent to a word now and then (ex: fiancé) will find this method much more intuitive.

Yes, I've been using the method you've described for years and will likely continue using it for at least the time being (it's second nature to me now). But it's good to point it out for people who don't know. (EDIT: This link looks like it covers them well for people who don't know).

That's actually one of the reasons I prefer Macs over Windows machines. Windows' solutions for accents have gotten better over the years but still aren't as elegant and easy as Mac OS in my opinion.

But for someone just learning to type a language like French with accents for the first time, holding down an e for example as a "one-stop-shop" for e with accents aigu, grave, and tréma will be more intuitive as you said than having to remember option + e for aigu, option + ` for grave, option + u for tréma.

And maybe even people who aren't writing in French will be more likely to put the occasional French accent in borrowed words like your example of fiancé, for détente, and possibly even for résumé (instead of resume, resume' or resumé -- maybe I'm being too optimistic, though!).

 

[frankk]

When you go into fullscreen mode the "Show bookmarks bar" menu item will change to "Always show bookmarks bar". You have to select it, even if you made the bookmarks bar visible outside of fullscreen mode already.

Thanks, was looking in the wrong place.

 

[palmerc]

Because for some people time = money and the less time spent with fancy animations means more productivity. Some people work on these machines.

Time == Money. If you want to establish equivalency. Otherwise, you are assigning money to time and I'm pretty sure you need a cast.

The animation is there to visually clue you into the desktop transition. Without it you might not realize that the desktop changed. Apple uses animations to give you these visual hints to make the experience natural and intuitive. In general, Apple uses animation very sparingly.

if you write a simple iOS app with a navigation bar and a table that transitions to a subpage on click and disable the animation, it stops making sense. That animation is needed.

 

[bocomo]

Quick question -- when you do a "Save As" what file are you left editing?

"Save As" has been replaced with "Duplicate" which opens a new window with the duplicate. So you can edit either one. You can also close either window when you are finished. If you close the Duplicate window it will ask for a file name. That's how you get the "Save As".

but it does eliminate a quick way to save a copy in another place

i was working on a Pages doc and saved, then i wanted to save it in my Dropbox folder - which was fast and easy to just do a Save As

now, i have to hit Duplicate, Save As and then close two docs

 

[bocomo]

Time == Money. If you want to establish equivalency. Otherwise, you are assigning money to time and I'm pretty sure you need a cast.

The animation is there to visually clue you into the desktop transition. Without it you might not realize that the desktop changed. Apple uses animations to give you these visual hints to make the experience natural and intuitive. In general, Apple uses animation very sparingly.

if you write a simple iOS app with a navigation bar and a table that transitions to a subpage on click and disable the animation, it stops making sense. That animation is needed.

well said

i also wonder how much time is "wasted" on animations really?

seems like an overreaction

 

[axcurtis]

duplicate

I understand the solution you found using Duplicate, but it seems a bit cumbersome. I write a lot of TextEdit files using the .html extension and this has added some extra steps when saving.

At least, Duplicate needs a keyboard shortcut.

 

[bartzilla]

So, dear Mac users, if you are true user remember - all new functions is always look strange (because they new), but after some time, you will accustomed and THIS new functions became a great canyon between your Mac and others pfsht.

Frankly, I respect the idea that people should give the new features more of a chance - for all that I find quite a few of them frustrating and the Lion bugs annoying the only thing I've disabled is the scrolling.

But I find your insinuation that people who change the defaults are not "true users" (whatever the hell that actually means, jesus are you twelve years old or something?) to be as offensive as it is idiotic.

This MBP I'm on right now is my computer and I'll use it as I please. As should every other person. It got nothing to do with whether or not we're "teh real might mac using power rangers" or whatever the hell you think other apple users are and everything to do with people using their property in the way that works best for them.

Sorry if that's a little difficult for you to understand.

 

[neuromajor]

The pre-3-finger club

Oh well, the worst case scenario is that I'll actually get used to it.

MacBookPro2,2

 

[bowlingred172]

Oh snap ..

Uhmm guys, bit of a noob question here, but how do you reverse the "Don't Save" (Restore ⌘D to mean "Don't Save" in Lion! defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSSavePanelStandardDesktopShortcutOnly -bool YES ) command?

Copied and pasted into terminal, hit return, didn't like the end result and now I'm screwed. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

 

[Mrguidogenio]

You mean how do you reverse it? Just enter the same command but first change the "YES" to "FALSE"

 

[John.B]

Uhmm guys, bit of a noob question here, but how do you reverse the "Don't Save" (Restore ⌘D to mean "Don't Save" in Lion! defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSSavePanelStandardDesktopShortcutOnly -bool YES ) command?

Copied and pasted into terminal, hit return, didn't like the end result and now I'm screwed. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I haven't tested this myself, but did you try to reverse it by changing the YES to NO?

 

[talmy]

"Save As" has been replaced with "Duplicate" which opens a new window with the duplicate. ...

but it does eliminate a quick way to save a copy in another place

i was working on a Pages doc and saved, then i wanted to save it in my Dropbox folder - which was fast and easy to just do a Save As

But the problem with Save As is that if you continue to work on the document you will be editing the copy instead of the original (and I've done that by mistake many times!)

If you are only editing one file, you can do the Duplicate command followed by the close all windows (Option-Command-W) which will prompt for a location to save the duplicate file.

As an alternative in your situation, why not just command-drag the file icon in the title bar to the Dropbox folder? That will copy the current file and let you continue to edit the original if you wish.

I understand the solution you found using Duplicate, but it seems a bit cumbersome. I write a lot of TextEdit files using the .html extension and this has added some extra steps when saving.

At least, Duplicate needs a keyboard shortcut.

You can add one in System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> Application Shortcuts

 

[bowlingred172]

You mean how do you reverse it? Just enter the same command but first change the "YES" to "FALSE"

I haven't tested this myself, but did you try to reverse it by changing the YES to NO?

Tried NO and FALSE. Still gives me a 'Do you want to save changes you made to the file "untitled"?' dialogue box every time I close TextEdit or Pages when I've made changes

 

[talmy]

Tried NO and FALSE. Still gives me a 'Do you want to save changes you made to the file "untitled"?' dialogue box every time I close TextEdit or Pages when I've made changes

You will always get that dialog box since it is there to prevent you from accidentally losing your work. The terminal command only enables command-D.

 

[NYYankees]

I'm not optimistic on this one yet, but previously in SL, if you did a three finger swipe up or down, it would act as Page Up and Page Down.

Is there any way at all to re-enable this option? Currently, three finger swipe up and down in firefox, etc does nothing.


This one is really frustrating, I was surprised I did not find it mentioned in this thread...

 

[talmy]

Is there any way at all to re-enable this option? Currently, three finger swipe up and down in firefox, etc does nothing.

Get BetterTouchTool. (free)

 

[briansolomon]

I'm going to have to upgrade to Lion one day because I need the features of MobileMe/iCloud. I don't necessarily want anything else to change.

 

[cozmot]

Here's an idea, rather than make Lion act like Snow Leopard. Stick to Snow Leopard.

Why is this post voted down? Seriously, if you don't like Lion, don't buy it. Snow Leopard will be supported for a good while. If you hate change, stick with the status quo. Myself, I'm very happy with Lion, although I miss some things and am getting used to changes. But, good gawd, advances cannot always satisfy everyone. So for those of you who voted down this post, stick with the old. You'll have plenty of time to do so.

Wordperfect anyone?