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Another article has a little more information:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/business/homepage/20080619_Del__mall_imposes_a_curfew.html

Here are a few quotes from the article:
The International Council of Shopping Centers, a trade agency, counts Christiana as the 55th mall in the country to require chaperones at times for teenage patrons. Other malls on the list range from regional outposts in Tupelo, Miss., and Florissant, Mo., to the nation's largest, Minneapolis' Mall of America.
Erin Hershkowitz, a spokeswoman for the agency, said malls that adopt such policies may take a slight hit on sales to the younger set, but it is made up by increased shopping by adults who buy costlier items.
At Christiana yesterday, mall employees and frequent shoppers at the mall said they are familiar with rowdy, sometimes drunken, young crowds on Friday and Saturday nights.
"Something needs to change because it's not good for business," said Megan Black, 17, of Middletown, Del., who was working at a cosmetics kiosk. "Security tries, but they can only do so much. People who come here that have never been here before and see this atmosphere, and this environment, would never come here again."
 
you guys are getting way to defensive, and this thread is turning into more of a fight than a debate.
I agree that many kids can be irresponsible and possibly disruptive to some, but im not sure how kids in the mall could be so disruptive to where they would prevent older shoppers from returning. I go to the mall a lot, and i see a lot of kids, but all we are doing is talking. Were not running through stores, kicking over displays, and yelling. Unless the older customers at the mall have a phobia of teenagers, it shouldn't distract from their Friday and Saturday night shopping.
I know one of you is going to find a hole in my argument, one or two times/kids. For example, the food fight. However, that doesn't happen every Friday; only once.
Adults are always trying to find ways to keep kids out of trouble, yelling at us and kicking us out of places doesn't help. Kids really just need a place to go, the mall was one such place, but isn't anymore. I know quite a few kids who are just going to go to parties on Fridays instead of the mall, which only leads to more trouble.
 
...Adults are always trying to find ways to keep kids out of trouble, yelling at us and kicking us out of places doesn't help. Kids really just need a place to go, the mall was one such place, but isn't anymore...
The adults talked about in this thread are the owners of the mall, they have a responsibility to their tenants and all users of the mall to keep it safe, clean and a pleasant place to be for all.

I know kids 'just need a place to go', but it is not for private property owners to supply it unless they choose to. Those children's parents should provide somewhere for them to go, or the community at large through everybody's taxes. But experience shows that when public facilities are provided kids still don't use them because they don't want to hang out somewhere provided formally for the purpose, and or the facilities are vandalised.

These kids need to stop feeling so entitled to everything for nothing, I'm sure there are public parks etc. for them to go should they so wish.
 
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/business&id=6212569

Check out the video. It seems to give a little more information.


Being over 18, I kind of like this. I can't sand a subset of teenagers that run around being unruly, loud, and obnoxious. But . . . if i was under 18, I'd probably feel discriminated against.

Thoughts? Think this will last? Any legal ramifications?

Aw, that's kinda dumb actually. I mean, being over 18, I can go wherever I please, the younger kids can't, the mall is in many cases pretty much the only place they're free to socialize. Some cities don't even have a youth center or a library or summat, and the poor mites can't go down the pub for sure. Whereas, I can; it's not just you have more money when you're a bit older (which isn't so much the case between say a 16 year old who works and a college kid of 18), it's also that after you're 18, you're not a minor, no one can stop you from going anywhere (legally).

So I don't mind having to deal with kids horsing around every once in a while when I have to go to the mall, besides, I don't go there so often. Not because of the teenagers but because i hate being cooped up like that for hours, I like to see some sky between stores ffs.
 
How any cities don't have malls near by and how long does it take to get to the closest one. So what do kids do that don't live next to a mall.
 
100% disagree. Don't discriminate against a whole group -- target those who are causing the problem.
They are - the mallrats! :D

I guarantee you, even if there were 1,000 people in that food fight (a number that strikes me as hyperbole) there were at most 10 who instigated it and the rest followed the crowd, as teenagers are wont to do.
By that logic, reduce the density of the crowd and reduce the problem. That's what they're doing. Your statement also illustrates the point that the *teenagers* are wont to do things like instigate or participate in a food-fight, which is why they're being targeted instead of the old mallwalkers.


Well, I can understand their perspective. But, this is the most suicidal business move they could make.

Our local mall did the same thing around 15 years ago.
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<dead mall story>
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I've got a family of my own, kids, and have personally watched the history I described above.

I was going to post 'How will American capitalism survive?' till I read Flyinmac's lovely post. She answered it for me. It won't.

OK, both of you are completely missing the situation here.

1. Christiana Mall has A LOT of these mallrats. You can't move for the groups of them standing around so you can't even walk down either side of the walkway. They don't bring in business for most of the stores there. When was the last time you saw a bunch of goth/emo/scene kids shopping at Williams-Sonoma, Pottery Barn, or even Gap? That's what they are - the Hot Topic crowd. Yes, they spend money in the food court, but given the selection of vendors at Christiana, the majority of the food court is *not* making money off of them. Burgers and the 2 pizza places, yes, Saladworks, the Deli, the 2 asian places, etc., not so much. The overwhelming majority of stores where these freaks aren't spending money will only be helped by getting rid of the nuisance so that adults, with jobs and money to spend, will not cringe at the thought of going to the mall after work/on weekends.

2. This mall is *not* going to die because of this. It's the ONLY real mall in Delaware (Concord mall doesn't count). It's right beside I-95 which is packed with traffic from the surrounding states. It's minutes away from 2 other states, (PA and MD). People in Maryland north of the tolls can drive up to Delaware and save $10 in tolls instead of going to White Marsh (MD). If you're south of Philly, Christiana Mall is closer than King of Prussia, and... Most importantly, there is NO SALES TAX in Delaware, so this mall draws in people from other states in addition to the locals. It's in the middle of a multi-year renovation, with significant upscaling, including a new food court. One of the anchor stores (Strawbridges) closed when they merged with Macy's, and that drove more business to the rest of the mall stores rather than hurting the mall overall. Now a new anchor store (Nordstrom, I believe) is going to be built.

Getting rid of the riff-raff now will help get its reputation improved before the grand opening of the new renovations.
 
Aw, that's kinda dumb actually. I mean, being over 18, I can go wherever I please, the younger kids can't, the mall is in many cases pretty much the only place they're free to socialize. Some cities don't even have a youth center or a library or summat, and the poor mites can't go down the pub for sure. Whereas, I can; it's not just you have more money when you're a bit older (which isn't so much the case between say a 16 year old who works and a college kid of 18), it's also that after you're 18, you're not a minor, no one can stop you from going anywhere (legally).

they can, public parks after dusk is one such example lol
 
Oh. I don't think not buying anything is the problem. The problem is the disturbances they are causing.

Yeah we have that here, the entrance to the shopping complex there are trees and park benches. All the young kids are sitting on those seats with there skate boards, bikes, smoking and some times tormenting other patrons and not a pleeceman or security guard in sight!
 
Good riddance I say, if you are not there to shop don't go to the mall. The mall is not there as a daycare.



Yeah, because when you were a kid I'm sure you were all business all the time.


Get out of your ivory tower and join the real world. I know you guys like to pretend you were perfect the day you were born, but the truth is you weren't and are not that different from a kid today. They're not shoplifting, they're just walking around. I can relate because at that age there was a limited number of places to go. Sometimes it's nice just to walk around a mall with your friends or girlfriend.

But hey, why stop there? Why not charge the kids for loitering while we're at it, even if they didn't do it. I mean they were obviously thinking about going to a mall so that's clearly their intention. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, because when you were a kid I'm sure you were all business all the time.

Get out of your ivory tower and join the real world. I know you guys like to pretend you were perfect the day you were born, but the truth is you weren't and are not that different from a kid today. They're not shoplifting, they're just walking around. I can relate because at that age there was a limited number of places to go. Sometimes it's nice just to walk around a mall with your friends or girlfriend.

But hey, why stop there? Why not charge the kids for loitering while we're at it, even if they didn't do it. I mean they were obviously thinking about going to a mall so that's clearly their intention. :rolleyes:

There weren't malls when I was a kid, but there was certainly more to occupy our time with other than generic mass retail emporiums. Most of it involved something where there was actual physical activity, personal creativity, sunlight, and un-conditioned air.

And drugs. Lots and lots of drugs. ;)
 
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