Mall Rats no more?

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  1. grapes911 Moderator emeritus

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    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/business&id=6212569

    Check out the video. It seems to give a little more information.


    Being over 18, I kind of like this. I can't sand a subset of teenagers that run around being unruly, loud, and obnoxious. But . . . if i was under 18, I'd probably feel discriminated against.

    Thoughts? Think this will last? Any legal ramifications?
     
  2. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Good riddance I say, if you are not there to shop don't go to the mall. The mall is not there as a daycare.
     
  3. Gray-Wolf macrumors 68030

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    It is being done more and more in this area. It is needed, as right or wrong, businesses are afraid of the crowds scaring off paying consumers. I personally think, kids need another place to hang out rather than a business. Find a park or something. :D
     
  4. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    i am against this on so many levels


    would it benefit me and make going to the mall more pleasurable for me? totally

    however, i cant help but feel that it isnt right to have to bring a parent with you if you need to go to radioshack or something.

    hell whats the point of having your own car if you need to bring a parent around? not all kids under 18 go to malls just to socialize

    i hope there is an exception to those who are under 18 and do work in a mall....

    by the way, im 23 and this wouldnt affect me but yea
     
  5. benlee macrumors 65816

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    I hate where we are going with all our "rules and regulations."

    I hung out in a mall a lot when I was younger. It made me into the consumer I am today. Also, it probably had the positive affect of keeping me off the corners and out of trouble.

    If there is a specific complaint about a specific teenager or group they should be punished or dealt with accordingly. But treating teenagers like immature outcasts is why we have so many immature teenage outcasts.

    Goodness gracious give kids a break. I'm sick of this crap. My 16 year old brother almost got suspended when a teacher over-heard him say "friggin" to his friend.
     
  6. aethelbert macrumors 601

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    Circle Center mall in Indianapolis has a similar rule on the weekends. I hardly ever go there, but there were a lot of problems coming out of that mall so I guess that the enforcement of the rules are good in this scenario. But I can't support this in places where it won't solve the problems. IIRC, it's only in effect from 8pm to closing, which is at 9. So it doesn't seem like a huge deal here.

    Now only if Apple could follow suit for their retail stores :rolleyes:
     
  7. grapes911 thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    But kids are getting in to trouble at this specific mall. Last year the mall had to close early because a bunch of teenagers hard a huge food fight in the food court.


    EDIT: Here is the link: http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=6853368
    Over 1000 teenagers involved.
     
  8. SkyBell macrumors 604

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    That would be saddening news for me.
     
  9. c073186 macrumors 6502a

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    What about all the senior citizens who stroll the mall for hours just for exercise?
     
  10. grapes911 thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    :confused: What about them?
     
  11. SkyBell macrumors 604

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    I think he's equating them to the teenagers who don't buy anything. (me. :p)
     
  12. grapes911 thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Oh. I don't think not buying anything is the problem. The problem is the disturbances they are causing.
     
  13. monke macrumors 65816

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    I like it, but at the same time I don't like it. Like most people have said, teenagers (in general) are obnoxious and loud, but I have to feel here for the ones that aren't. The teenagers that don't go to the mall to hangout, but the ones that go there with friends to shop, or to eat, or to do whatever they please, like a normal person would.

    This is one of those "where do you draw the line?" rules. They should have probably drawn the line at 16 though, instead of 18. You've graduated from high school, drive your own car, but you can't go to the mall and buy clothes without your parents.

    I wonder how many other malls will follow suit?
     
  14. aethelbert macrumors 601

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    Well, as long as you're not goofing around on facebook for hours upon end while I'm waiting to test an ACD with my macbook pro, then you're not the problem. I had to wait almost three hours when I tried to test an ACD to buy, and god was it a waste of time.
     
  15. Sun Baked macrumors G5

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    I hope the 18 year olds sue for discrimination against a certain class of adult at a shopping establishment.

    Let em in, and only eject the rowdy kids or those loitering. That would be a more genteel policy, aka not breaking the mall rules.
     
  16. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    This seems so reasonable a position, that I am scratching my head as to how the policy in the OP came into being.

    If you don't want disturbances, well great - but how many will there be at the doors of the mall when this goes into effect?

    As an aside, I feel it is a somewhat sad reflection of our society that in many places, the Mall is the ONLY place for teenagers to congregate (for better or worse). Much of Suburbia (eg.) has no parks, or safe community areas for kids to socialize.
     
  17. stcanard macrumors 65816

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    100% disagree. Don't discriminate against a whole group -- target those who are causing the problem.

    I guarantee you, even if there were 1,000 people in that food fight (a number that strikes me as hyperbole) there were at most 10 who instigated it and the rest followed the crowd, as teenagers are wont to do.

    Teenagers have been causing problems for the adults around them since teenagers were invented -- so why do the baby boomers suddenly decide being a teen is a bannable offence?

    Edit:

    That reminds me of more years ago then I care to admit when I was a teen in a community that had a large ederly population. They cancelled the Friday / Saturday night skating, the cancelled the drop-in hocky and baseball games, and many other things because they felt that it was an unfair burden on their taxes.

    They would then go to the city council meetings and write nasty letters to the editor complaining that the teens just hung around in the mall, and hung around outside the McDonald's and didn't they have anything better to do?

    Unfortunately trying to make the obvious point was lost on them, and of course teens have no say in any of this since they are too young.
     
  18. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    Well, I can understand their perspective. But, this is the most suicidal business move they could make.

    Our local mall did the same thing around 15 years ago.

    At the time, the mall was full. It had record stores, stylish clothing stores, jewelry stores, a major National grocery store (Safeway), a very large department store, hair salons, nail salons, food stands, restaurants, and tons of other places. Every spot in the mall was full. And, the mall was always packed with people of all ages.

    But, the mall decided that it had enough of the trouble with kids getting into fights, arguments, or just loitering. So, they passed a similar rule. Essentially anyone under 18 was required to be with an adult.

    About 6 months after instituting the rule, they realized they had made a tragic mistake. Then, they dropped the no unaccompanied minors rule, but it was too late. The kids had already lost interest in going there.

    Well, within the year, the mall was quiet. There were no customers at all (of any age). The shops were empty, businesses went out of business completely. Everything went out of the mall. All the restaurants, all the clothing stores (except the granny clothes store), the music store went out, the department store went out, the pizza place went out (the last good pizza place our town had - and we haven't had good pizza since).

    In short, within the year all that remained of a previously full mall was:

    One granny clothing store
    Safeway
    Zales Jewelers
    and the town's only major book store.

    And, as for people in the mall, well there were none. The mall resorted to letting it's space be used for mall walking grannies. That was the only foot traffic you saw in the mall... grandma's walking in circles.

    So, they traded all the teenagers and all the businesses for grandmas who were only there to walk in peace and quiet (and not spending any money at all).

    They still had a security guard though to keep the trouble down (except no one was there to cause trouble).

    After about 7 years like that, the Safeway (which had a loyal customer base) closed. Leaving the mall with no draw at all.

    The mall continued to be sitting mostly empty for the next 7 years or so after Safeway closed.

    Space rates dropping, the parking lot getting used for nothing but town snow storage and the occasional weekend automotive fleet liquidation sale.

    About 2 years ago, they finally hit a point where they realized that there was nothing they could do to get any new businesses in the building. They had tried for so many years and were 100% unsuccessful. They killed the Mall with that fatal decision, and spent 15 years losing money and sitting on huge amounts of empty space with no renters and no customers.

    So, last year they knocked the building down after letting the fire department torch it for practice. And, plowed the whole building and parking lot out of there. Scraped it all down to bare dirt.

    Target purchased the lot, and is building a new store and new mall to take it's place.

    The old one had such a history of sitting empty, that merely rennovating it wouldn't restore it to profitability. The only option was to have a new company come in and build an entirely new building to draw in customers.

    So, getting rid of a few kids cost them something extreme. Millions and millions of dollars. And, the expense of sitting on an empty building that was costing them money.

    But, hey, after 15 years, the lot will finally be of some use again.

    They should have just bull dozed it when they first kicked the kids out. At least then they wouldn't have spent the last 15 years losing money.

    A smarter move would have been to just monitor the kids, have security that looked more intimidating than gerbil, and let the kids stay. Then, tons of businesses would have continued to make money and so would the mall.

    It's easy to say that the kids are not spending money. That is, until you kick them out and discover the difference in profits. And, besides, even a kid who doesn't spend a dime will generate income for the businesses.

    Think about it. If you are looking to buy something, are you going to go to the place that is always empty, or are you going to go somewhere that looks like the place everyone wants to be?

    Even if the kids aren't spending money, they provide the image of popular shops. And, the image of popularity is the best sales tool available.

    Think about it... Why do clubs let good looking girls in for free? To get guys to think it's the place to be. No good looking girls, no guys. No guys, you have an empty club. And, who wants to go to an empty club?

    The same thing holds true for malls. Why would I want to go somewhere to shop if it doesn't appear than anyone else wants to be there?

    Kids make places look busy. Busy places look like the place to be. The place to be, is where everyone will go to spend their money.

    But, hey, at least the grannies got an empty mall to walk around for 15 years. And, while they were there, they could buy their granny panties, and the shirts that looked like a sparkly 1960's couch.

    Thing is, there is a shortage of old people who don't live on fixed incomes. So, you can't keep a mall running on grannies who live on less than $500 a month.

    Anyway, they'll see it for themselves. Once you kick them out, it's too late. Removing the rule will not bring the kids back. And, without the kids, they're just living on reserves until they run out of money and renters.

    Oh well. At least they'll have a place for grandma to walk in comfort with air conditioning and no rowdy teenagers.

    Oh, and just for the record, I'm not a kid. I've got a family of my own, kids, and have personally watched the history I described above.
     
  19. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Usually granny walk is in the morning, like pre opening hours.
     
  20. flyinmac macrumors 68030

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    Except in a dead mall, it's all day (as in whenever granny happens to get there).
     
  21. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    Does anyone not understand the concept of a mall? This particularly applies to those who live in "western" countries, where many malls close "early".

    Malls are usually open during hours when people are working, and closed when these people get off work and have time to shop. With regards to potential customers, who does that leave? Hellz yeah, I'm talking about mainly high-school students and the unemployed. No wonder there are so many people loitering at shopping malls......it's almost designed to cater to loiterers.

    When I went to Taipei, their shopping malls didn't even open until noon. However, you've got to ask yourself: Who the heck is going to buy an 11,000 rpm platinum butt-massager at 10:00 AM?? The guy who's at work, earning mad cash, foo. The best thing is that the stores remained open until around 10 PM, which allows the perfect amount of time for the teenagers to get their fix of Hello Kitty phone accessories, while still allowing time for people with money to spend it frivolously.


    Better to alert the Australians that opening times of 10 AM to 4:30 PM aren't really that great. They're only open like 6.5 hours per day, and at the worst possible time.
     
  22. Dagless macrumors Core

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    The "mall" shuts at 8pm in my nearest city, 10pm around Christmas.
    Heh, sometimes I just go into town for the walk. Pop into GAME, WHSmith and not buy anything though I'm usually with friends who do buy stuff.

    But I'm immune. I'm 22! Have at you!
     
  23. tsice19 macrumors 6502a

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    They should just start targeting the trouble makers. Not the ones who behave (like this good 'lil boy :p )

    When I'm at the mall with my Mom (King of Prussia), I'll often go to the Apple Store or some place I want to be rather than sitting in Anne Taylor while she shops. However, I am with her 90% of the time, since she pays for most of my stuff (not my Apple stuff though.)
     
  24. Tayg10 macrumors newbie

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    im 15 and i usually go to the mall every friday.
    This rule makes no sense to me, its like they want a drop in profits. I mean, i would only spend my money at the mall if i was already there. I would usually go to chill, and then be in hot topic and hey, an enter shikari shirt! cool, ill get it. Now i know this stuff is over priced, and i could just get it on the internet for cheap, but im at the mall so ill get it. Now, since im not allowed in without my parents, ill just get all my clothes on the internet. the mall was a safe place for me and my friends to hang out and buy a few things, now its just a place to get yelled at and discriminated against. no other store/group of stores could get away with what the mall does. If i was at walmart, just bought a game or something, and i sit down at mcdonalds to rest a little, and got told to move cause i was sitting to long; id leave an probly never come back. its just ridiculous. i never even cause trouble at the mall, im being discriminated against.
     
  25. MacNut macrumors Core

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    Just curious but being 15 how do you get to the mall? How much money does a 15 year old have to spend in the first place. I doubt you have a job and need money from the parents. So most kids your age are going to the mall to just sit around and not buy anything. I have also noticed that most kids do not respect anything. I don't have a problem with kids being with their parents, after all until you are 18 you are their responsibility.

    When I was younger we didn't have a mall in town, so we had to amuse ourselves elsewhere.
     

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